VJ Edgecombe

[greg4012]

Here's my new emerging theory on Edgecombe: It may be possible for him to play like Ja Morant.

Let's say he measures out around 6'3" and 185 lbs. He's fairly shifty and explosive off the dribble, but he's not powerful enough or advanced enough to play a Donovan Mitchell or Anthony Edwards-type role as a multi-level, isolation scorer. Why not play him at the 1 and have him do what Ja Morant does, which is--start at the top of the circle and either drive straight at the rim, take an open jumper, or make a fairly straightforward pass.

Edgecombe can drive, put pressure on the rim, and then either make a big finish or a basic pass to another secondary creator. All he really needs to do is make the defense collapse on him. It's not super sophisticated, but it could work for him.

In a similar vein to what you're expressing, i believe VJ's onball development path in the NBA should be something like the trajectory of Victor Oladipo.

No guarantees he gets there, of course, but I think that's one of the better parallels for applying his athletic skillset given his current skill progression.

[greg4012]

The idea that Bailey has huge upside seems to be a delusion from elder millennials (I am an elder millennial to be clear) that have strong nostalgia for Melo and thus rate any Melo cosplay, no matter how totally ineffective, as demonstrating star potential.

Ace has no on-ball juice at all and is an 8/10 shooter with no feel for the game. He's going to be a worse MPJ or maybe Harrison Barnes.

VJ also has no on-ball juice and is so small that he can only be a star on ball so he also has no upside as more than an average starter. But he's very likely to reach his ceiling of average starter.

I don’t even see Melo as a good stylistic comp for Bailey tbh.

Skinny Michael Beasley is the stylistic comp

[prime1time]

Here's my new emerging theory on Edgecombe: It may be possible for him to play like Ja Morant.

Let's say he measures out around 6'3" and 185 lbs. He's fairly shifty and explosive off the dribble, but he's not powerful enough or advanced enough to play a Donovan Mitchell or Anthony Edwards-type role as a multi-level, isolation scorer. Why not play him at the 1 and have him do what Ja Morant does, which is--start at the top of the circle and either drive straight at the rim, take an open jumper, or make a fairly straightforward pass.

Edgecombe can drive, put pressure on the rim, and then either make a big finish or a basic pass to another secondary creator. All he really needs to do is make the defense collapse on him. It's not super sophisticated, but it could work for him.

Not a good enough passer. So if the ball is in his hands it'll get sticky. Edgecombe is an athletic off ball guard who needs to work on basic guard aspects of the game.

[Rafael122]

OK, walk with me a bit. I watched his tournament games over the weekend. Just a casual observer here, but he looks...small. I don't buy 6'5. I'd say he's 6'1.5/6'2 and that's going to drop him down for me.

[azcatz11]

OK, walk with me a bit. I watched his tournament games over the weekend. Just a casual observer here, but he looks...small. I don't buy 6'5. I'd say he's 6'1.5/6'2 and that's going to drop him down for me.

He looks like a better version of Johnell Davis in college. Similar size. He’s just little

[Catchall]

He's not that sophisticated offensively. He had opportunities to take Kon Knueppel off the dribble and get a lane to the rim, and he either lacked the burst or the handle to be able to do it. His size/weight/athleticism are reminiscent of Monta Ellis. His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch, but I'm not sure he'd change the trajectory of a franchise, and he's probably not your team's lead guard. The upside is there, but capturing it may be elusive.

Meanwhile, Tre Johnson is safe pick as a prototypical scoring guard who will get you 20 ppg.

[Braggins]

His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

[azcatz11]

His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

[greg4012]

OK, walk with me a bit. I watched his tournament games over the weekend. Just a casual observer here, but he looks...small. I don't buy 6'5. I'd say he's 6'1.5/6'2 and that's going to drop him down for me.

He looks like a better version of Johnell Davis in college. Similar size. He’s just little

The dude who just had 5 dunks on the season as a 5th year senior at Arkansas while averaging 11 ppg and an assist percentage of 9%?

[greg4012]

His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

3rd highest offensive rebounding percentage as a freshman among all guards drafted since 2008 that attempted at least 100 3PAs

9th highest steal percentage as a freshman of any drafted player (since 2008) who attempted at least 100 3PA (11th highest without the 3PA qualifier)

Top 10 in dunks as a freshman of ANY drafted player (since 2008) who attempted at least 100 3PA

10/10 athlete.

[EvanZ]

His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

You have to hope he's either Donovan Mitchell or Oladipo. If he's really just 6'3" barefoot with a 6'6" wingspan and weighs 180 that is kinda small. Mitchell is for sure pushing 200 pounds and has a 6'10" wingspan. And even with that he's a pretty **** defender as a 2.

Hopefully he's better than Monta Ellis though.

[vincecarter4pres]

I’m not shutting down the comparison on my end, but I don’t remember Monta being half the run/jump athlete VJ is.

I think level of player, and raw on paper numbers/production it could happen as his likely ceiling, but idk about stylistically and certainly not athletically, again, iirc.

Still see some smaller Michael Finley or J Rich, maybe even shorter Josh Howard, though he was completely allergic to passing. Oladipo still seems the closest.

I do still have major concerns with his height, wingspan and overall size given his skillset and style though, why although I still stick to I wouldn’t be mad at anyone taking him 4th or below, I still wouldn’t.

I struggle to see him fail and completely bust, but he also has a tall hill to climb to see stardom, or even plus level decade long starter with an AS game or two.

[Braggins]

His playstyle would be similar to a bigger, bouncier version of Terry Rozier.

He's an athletic 2-way combo with some exciting finishing at the rim and enough shooting off the catch

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

No one should be projecting him to be similar in the pros to Rozier because they are not similar at all as players.

[EvanZ]

I’m not shutting down the comparison on my end, but I don’t remember Monta being half the run/jump athlete VJ is.

I think level of player, and raw on paper numbers/production it could happen as his likely ceiling, but idk about stylistically and certainly not athletically, again, iirc.

Still see some smaller Michael Finley or J Rich, maybe even shorter Josh Howard, though he was completely allergic to passing. Oladipo still seems the closest.

I do still have major concerns with his height, wingspan and overall size given his skillset and style though, why although I still stick to I wouldn’t be mad at anyone taking him 4th or below, I still wouldn’t.

I struggle to see him fail and completely bust, but he also has a tall hill to climb to see stardom, or even plus level decade long starter with an AS game or two.

If you don’t remember how athletic Monta Ellis was that’s on you bro. Dude was an elite athlete.

[HadAnEffectHere]

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

You have to hope he's either Donovan Mitchell or Oladipo. If he's really just 6'3" barefoot with a 6'6" wingspan and weighs 180 that is kinda small. Mitchell is for sure pushing 200 pounds and has a 6'10" wingspan. And even with that he's a pretty **** defender as a 2.

Hopefully he's better than Monta Ellis though.

Mitchell was 211 entering the league, Edgecombe measured at 188 pounds.

Edgecombe's frame also really concerns me about his ability to put on weight. He looks really toned and his shoulders are narrow... I don't know where good weight is supposed to go.

[Upperclass]

He has literally 0 basketball IQ and very little basketball skill. He's like a really small defensive SF; reminds me of GPII. That's a useful player with a specific scope. Payton II also has a much longer wingspan for comparison.

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[EvanZ]

These two statements are contradictory. Rozier is a tiny 3pt chucker who plays zero defense. Edgecombes playstyle and skillset are not similar to Rozier at all.

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

You have to hope he's either Donovan Mitchell or Oladipo. If he's really just 6'3" barefoot with a 6'6" wingspan and weighs 180 that is kinda small. Mitchell is for sure pushing 200 pounds and has a 6'10" wingspan. And even with that he's a pretty **** defender as a 2.

Hopefully he's better than Monta Ellis though.

VJ is 6'4" barefoot but 193 and is probably pushing 200 come regular season. Good news for him.

[azcatz11]

We're talking about how he projects. VJ isn't that much bigger than Rozier. Maybe an inch or two. It's close. I don't believe he's a 10/10 athlete either to compensate for his height.

So you either have to play him with a big guard or it's going to be a mess. Honestly, the only good fit I envision is a team like Indiana for him. I think he would do well there

You have to hope he's either Donovan Mitchell or Oladipo. If he's really just 6'3" barefoot with a 6'6" wingspan and weighs 180 that is kinda small. Mitchell is for sure pushing 200 pounds and has a 6'10" wingspan. And even with that he's a pretty **** defender as a 2.

Hopefully he's better than Monta Ellis though.

VJ is 6'4" barefoot but 193 and is probably pushing 200 come regular season. Good news for him.

Yeah...I saw that and commented in your thread. He should now go top 5 easily IMO. Bad WS though

[Chuck Everett]

Basically like Oladipo, but maybe even more explosive. Top 5 for sure. Would love to see him in San Antonio as the backcourt of the future with Castle.