Serge Ibaka: #1 in this draft over Blake Griffin.

_BBIB_ · Post #101 » by **_BBIB_** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:24 pm

I guess there's a chance Ibaka could be a better pick than Griffin if Griffin never actually records a minute of basketball outside of the exhibition season.

Outside of that, PLEASE

mattg · Post #102 » by **mattg** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:40 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Where would Ibaka go in this draft?

I'd have him above Favors, thats for sure... probably ahead of Cousins too. 2nd or 3rd?

Presti FTW... the 23 teams that passed on him FTL.

i'm shocked they let you be a mod at one point. Ibaka ahead of Cousins? Or Favors? :lol:

but seriously, Thunder fans are ridiculous. Yes, I've seen your games, I've watched Ibaka play. I like him as a young prospect even, but this isn't even a debate. People need to realize that just because a player has great measurable athleticism doesn't mean they have the potential to be the messiah, no matter how young they are. Skills are soooo underestimated on this site, especially with regards to big men. Too many posters here see a nice vert, wingspan and standing reach and immediately cream their pants.

vincecarter4pres · Post #103 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:46 pm

He'd still go somewhere between 7 and 15 in this draft IMO.
I don't see how people think he would still go over guys like Favors and Cousins, let alone Johnson and Monroe. He compares as a prospect to guys like Whiteside, Patterson and Davis.

Jimmy76 · Post #104 » by **Jimmy76** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:57 pm

if Ibaka starts we're gonna hafta bump this again

what does favors have that puts him over Ibaka?

Paul John 2 · Post #105 » by **Paul John 2** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:13 pm

Come on guys... please...
Ibaka better than griffin and favors???
ibaka is good but...

Jimmy76 · Post #106 » by **Jimmy76** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:16 pm

Paul John 2 wrote:Come on guys... please...
Ibaka better than griffin and favors???
ibaka is good but...

what makes favors better than Ibaka?

mid-post · Post #107 » by **mid-post** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:02 pm

Paul John 2 wrote:Come on guys... please...
Ibaka better than griffin and favors???
ibaka is good but...

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Ibaka could be a better player than Favors. We'll see.

Post #108 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:09 pm

mattg wrote:
FireNellieQuick wrote:Where would Ibaka go in this draft?

I'd have him above Favors, thats for sure... probably ahead of Cousins too. 2nd or 3rd?

Presti FTW... the 23 teams that passed on him FTL.

i'm shocked they let you be a mod at one point. Ibaka ahead of Cousins? Or Favors?

I'm shocked you are still a poster here, what with your bad takes and crap talking.

Ibaka as an athlete > Favors. Ibaka as a skilled player > Favors. Favors is going 3rd because of his potential... so its not a stretch at all to have Ibaka over him. Especially since Ibaka also has other skills that Favors doesn't, like ballhandling...

Post #109 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:10 pm

mattg wrote:Ibaka ahead of Favors?

People need to realize that just because a player has great measurable athleticism doesn't mean they have the potential to be the messiah, no matter how young they are. Skills are soooo underestimated on this site, especially with regards to big men.

Irony overload

mattg · Post #110 » by **mattg** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:23 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:
mattg wrote:Ibaka ahead of Favors?

People need to realize that just because a player has great measurable athleticism doesn't mean they have the potential to be the messiah, no matter how young they are. Skills are soooo underestimated on this site, especially with regards to big men.

Irony overload

You said he'd probably go over Cousins, who had more skills as a junior in high school than Ibaka has now. Ibaka is an Ersan Ilyasova level prospect, a nice young big guy with some upside, but that's it.

I only mention Favors because you seem to rank him above Cousins without a 2nd thought.

I'm not even going to argue with you Ibaka homers, because you're obviously the most unrealistic group of fans on this site. Maybe i'll come bump this thread in a few months when both Cousins and Favors are blowing Ibakas numbers out of the water.

Jimmy76 · Post #111 » by **Jimmy76** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:25 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:
mattg wrote:Ibaka ahead of Favors?

People need to realize that just because a player has great measurable athleticism doesn't mean they have the potential to be the messiah, no matter how young they are. Skills are soooo underestimated on this site, especially with regards to big men.

Irony overload

hhahaha

so mattg what makes favors such a great prospect then?

at least Ibaka has the skill required to shoot a jumper what skill does favors have?

Blame Rasho · Post #112 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:41 pm

ponder276 wrote:
Paydro70 wrote:Seriously am I taking crazy pills? The guy put up 6 and 5 on the Thunder, who would possibly take him over Griffin still?

+1

I thought this was gonna be a bump where people were like "hahahahaha look at Ibaka's rookie season, nowhere even CLOSE to a #1 overall pick type of year," but this was bumped by the Ibaka>Griffin camp? Really? The only argument at all is injury history, and nobody knew this would happen to Blake when he was drafted.

Interesting bump...

Would anyone pick DeJuan Blair over Blake/Favors/or Cousins? I find that doubtful....Yet people will pick Ibaka over Griffin and company? Mind you, this is the same Blair who had a 27/21 game vs Ibaka.

I mean... if you want people to eat crow about a player being better than a guy who didn't play last season. Ok... I don't really see the point of that.

Post #113 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:43 pm

Re-reading through this whole thread, I cant see anyone, even the OP, saying they'd take Ibaka over Griffin.

Even with the bump, which just noticed that Ibaka was a lot better than most people thought, people are still citing that? It was never the point... the point was that Ibaka was a great prospect that went under the radar.

mid-post · Post #114 » by **mid-post** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:47 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:Mind you, this is the same Blair who had a 27/21 game vs Ibaka.

You mean the game where Blair played against Ibaka for 7 whole minutes?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300113025

Here are the rest of the games this year that they played against each other btw:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300322025

Blame Rasho · Post #115 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:50 pm

mid-post wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:Mind you, this is the same Blair who had a 27/21 game vs Ibaka.

You mean the game where Blair played against Ibaka for 7 minutes?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300113025

Your point is?

mid-post · Post #116 » by **mid-post** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:52 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
mid-post wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:Mind you, this is the same Blair who had a 27/21 game vs Ibaka.

You mean the game where Blair played against Ibaka for 7 minutes?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300113025

Your point is?

Think about it. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Jimmy76 · Post #117 » by **Jimmy76** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:53 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Re-reading through this whole thread, I cant see anyone, even the OP, saying they'd take Ibaka over Griffin.

Even with the bump, which just noticed that Ibaka was a lot better than most people thought, people are still citing that? It was never the point... the point was that Ibaka was a great prospect that went under the radar.

the OP is pretty impassioned he'd probably take Ibaka #1 but he's likely the only one Ibaka just cant match Griffins scoring ability

I though of Ibaka as an athletic player who would likely be an energy big for the duration of his career

first half of the season Ibaka looked and I figured he could be a quality big and maybe even perkins like starter down the line

by the second half of the season I became enamored with his potential, he started making some great cuts off-ball, hitting fade-aways with a hand in his face and just seemed way more comfortable than he was the first half of the season

id really like to start Ibaka next year and I didnt have any kind of opinion on him at all before the year started, saw him kinda like I see BJ Mullens now, a nice prospect that probably wont amount to much

he's got work to do but if he wasnt a starting quality big id be surprised and he has the potential to be much more than that

Post #118 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:55 pm

The people who were quick to declare this thread a joke are getting defensive now... because a guy like Favors is consensus top 3 when Ibaka is about his equal as a prospect.

If there was a thread about Favors, Turner or Cousins being #1, it wouldnt be a joke... neither should this thread. The OP and a few others caught a gem way before anyone else did... give em props

Blame Rasho · Post #119 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:57 pm

mid-post wrote:Think about it. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

I see it as a more of a reflection that Ibaka wasn't good enough to be on the floor while Blair was having a beastly game, but each their own.

mid-post · Post #120 » by **mid-post** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:04 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
mid-post wrote:Think about it. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

I see it as a more of a reflection that Ibaka wasn't good enough to be on the floor while Blair was having a beastly game, but each their own.

Or maybe the Thunder decided to sit their valuable prospect in a regular season game?
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Dejuan Blair didn't score one point or grab one rebound against Ibaka that game.