Jan Vesely

[Darknemo2000]

I would switch him and JV on most mock drafts

Honestly think he could be the best player in this draft

You keep forgetting that he is also older than Valanciunas. And it just happens that such age difference is important at such time. Thats why Jonas is given more attention. He is pulling some amazing stats in the Euroleague on his rookie season while Veseley started seriously shine only now.

That's false. Where have you been last year?

Not false in my opinion.He wanst all that great last season really despite he collected 8,6 points average which isnt far from this one, he still looked a little bit clueless there and here and didn't look like he was trying his best on defensive end. This year he looks more like he knows what he wants and plays like that. I like jan's game much more this season than last one.

Compare Vesely's first season with Jonas first season and then you can understand why Jonas is usually regarded as a higher draftee.

Nam/GM/MN/2P%/3P%/FT%/REB/AS/ST/TO//BS/PF/PTS/EFF
Jan 17/19,9/72,5/5,6/53,8/3,4/0,4/0,5/0,9/0,3/3,4/4,8/4,2
Jon 15/15,4/70,8/----/88,5/5,8/0,2/0,2/1,4/0,7/3,1/7,7/9,7

Jonas is twice as effective as Jan was on his first season, despite the fact that Jonas plays 4,5 minutes less on his first season.

But it would be stupid to argue against the fact that Jan is more ready to play in NBA than Jonas is, which is undoubtedly true.

However if Jonas were to take part in this Draft he probably has higher chances on getting higher draft, simply because of his potential.

Jan needed three seasons to reach the maturity he is showing right (again I wasnt that impressed by his second season), for Jonas it is still his rookie season. He has a lot of time ahead of him.

[doc.end]

Well you can't really compare stats of SF and C position.

[Darknemo2000]

Well you can't really compare stats of SF and C position.

I know but at the same time weight is more of factor while playing at C or PF which makes for a younger players who play in those positions tougher to compete against grown up men than the positions that doesn't need as much of physical strength and power.

Not to mention that Veseley did have plays run over for him while Valanciunas most of the points were after rebounds because his teammates preferred shooting the ball themselves much more than passing him the ball. Those rare times when they played pick'n'roll Valanciunas was always very effective, too bad that there weren't many.

[boogie-reke]

I also don't agree.. Vesely def started to shine last year... he was great in that Maccabi series.

running on every chance he got and dunking on everyone and thier mamma... if this kid actually manage to be a real threat from the outside and develop a midrange jumper he'll be awesome.

[brassviews]

Vesely is an integral part of Partizan's offense. That is why you see better statistics and highlights than Valanciunas. Valanciunas, like Darknemo2000 said, rarely gets plays for himself. At this juncture, he's just a role player (rebounding and playing defense).

[UGA Hayes]

^ I don't know I looked up his stats and they don't look that good me. I feel like his athleticism might be getting him overrated.

[carrottop12]

I'm not really sure I get the hype. What does he do other than dunk, and be tall?

[clockwork]

I'm not really sure I get the hype. What does he do other than dunk, and be tall?

he's coined the nickname "euro blake griffin" which is why people with brain damage, chad ford, believe him to be top 5 pick.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I'm still waiting to hear someone tell us an NBA skill he's good at. Dunking doesn't count, because every NBA 3 can make uncontested dunks. He's a 98 lb weaking compared to Blake Griffin.

[droponov]

Vesely needs to learn to play lower to be a terrific defender. He has the tools to be an excellent defender in the NBA. Needs coaching, experience and reputation. As of now he'll struggle to play NBA wings heads up (to say the least), but hopefully he'll be taught to play low. That's his biggest problem.

On the other hand, I don't see how he acquires the shot-creation skills to be more than an elite role-player. If he improves his shooting and finishing skills and adds a couple of effective post moves that allows him to get his shot off against smaller players then he can become a very good complimentary offensive player. But his game off the dribble is simply too mediocre to project him as a future all-star, imo.

[Dr Positivity]

I think his upside would be Gerald Wallace's offensive game. Wallace still isn't good on the perimeter. But if he gets the ball within 10 feet, a score at the rim is in play because he's so explosive and long. He basically needs just a little room.

[Ruzious]

I think his upside would be Gerald Wallace's offensive game. Wallace still isn't good on the perimeter. But if he gets the ball within 10 feet, a score at the rim is in play because he's so explosive and long. He basically needs just a little room.

Vesely has shown nowhere near the strength, hands, aggression, or explosion that Wallace has - to play effectively near the basket.

[5DOM]

From what I've heard he does have the aggression and explosion. Strength will come with time.

[Ruzious]

From what I've heard he does have the aggression and explosion. Strength will come with time.

I haven't seen any of that, and I don't see any reason to assume the strength will come. There's plenty of video to watch on the internet, including complete games - you don't have to rely on what you've heard.

[UGA Hayes]

The one thing that is keeping me from dismissing him is that he seems like a pretty high motor guys and those guys more than anyone else have consistently outperformed expectations in making the transition. I just think the spacing, speed of the NBA game allows them to have an impact not readily seen in international games

[dballislife]

he can be ak47 without the passing i think

[Collymore]

he can be ak47 without the passing i think

...and with terrible shooting.

[boogie-reke]

..and without the cool nickname.

[StocktonShorts]

..and without the cool nickname.

...and without the defense

[BruceO]

..and without the cool nickname.

...and without the defense

and without actually being andrei kirilenko