Marvin Bagley

[King Ken]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

[Pinkyring]

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

Or they dont view him as a franchise player.....

[Duke4life831]

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

I agree I think it would be bad scouting on their part in my opinon. I personally dont think JJJ is on the same level as Bagley as a prospect. But again there are plenty of people who do. And I was just speaking on the scenario if ATL felt like those two were very close as prospects.

But all of that is mute if the reports are true that Bagley is ATL's guy and they wouldve even thought about taking him #1 if they got that pick. So ya if they feel like he is the clear BPA then yes fit for the roster makes no difference. And from the reports out it looks like they have him as easily the BPA (which I agree with).

[King Ken]

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

Or they dont view him as a franchise player.....

And if he is? That would be reliving passing on CP3 all over again.

[bootsythornton]

I don't see Bagley as a franchise player at all. What is his elite skill? Franchise players have to have to be top 5 in some sort of important skillset.

[VCfor3]

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

Or they dont view him as a franchise player.....

And if he is? That would be reliving passing on CP3 all over again.

And if they take Bagley and JJJ becomes a franchise player?

What the others are saying is that Atlanta's workup may show JJJ as the better player down the road than Bagley and if that is the case they will take JJJ. I really like Bagley, but if JJJ kills the workouts I totally understand if the Hawks pick him instead.

[King Ken]

Or they dont view him as a franchise player.....

And if he is? That would be reliving passing on CP3 all over again.

And if they take Bagley and JJJ becomes a franchise player?

What the others are saying is that Atlanta's workup may show JJJ as the better player down the road than Bagley and if that is the case they will take JJJ. I really like Bagley, but if JJJ kills the workouts I totally understand if the Hawks pick him instead.

That won't happen. That's like saying what if Craig Biggio hits 50 home runs this season. That's not in his tool-kit or skill-set. You just saying **** to be saying ****. That's like saying, what if Jonas becomes Kyle Korver from three.

We could draft Grayson Allen but if I say Allen will be a 30/10/10 player, that don't mean it will happen. If I say I can pull Beyonce, that doesn't mean it would happen.

[Pinkyring]

And if he is? That would be reliving passing on CP3 all over again.

And if they take Bagley and JJJ becomes a franchise player?

What the others are saying is that Atlanta's workup may show JJJ as the better player down the road than Bagley and if that is the case they will take JJJ. I really like Bagley, but if JJJ kills the workouts I totally understand if the Hawks pick him instead.

That won't happen. That's like saying what if Craig Biggio hits 50 home runs this season. That's not in his tool-kit or skill-set. You just saying **** to be saying ****. That's like saying, what if Jonas becomes Kyle Korver from three.

We could draft Grayson Allen but if I say Allen will be a 30/10/10 player, that don't mean it will happen. If I say I can pull Beyonce, that doesn't mean it would happen.

What are u talking about you're obviously enamored with bagley doesn't mean your team is, if they view there to be a better prospect ie porter, bamba, jjj, I'm sure theyll take them

[King Ken]

And if they take Bagley and JJJ becomes a franchise player?

What the others are saying is that Atlanta's workup may show JJJ as the better player down the road than Bagley and if that is the case they will take JJJ. I really like Bagley, but if JJJ kills the workouts I totally understand if the Hawks pick him instead.

That won't happen. That's like saying what if Craig Biggio hits 50 home runs this season. That's not in his tool-kit or skill-set. You just saying **** to be saying ****. That's like saying, what if Jonas becomes Kyle Korver from three.

We could draft Grayson Allen but if I say Allen will be a 30/10/10 player, that don't mean it will happen. If I say I can pull Beyonce, that doesn't mean it would happen.

What are u talking about you're obviously enamored with bagley doesn't mean your team is, if they view there to be a better prospect ie porter, bamba, jjj, I'm sure theyll take them

Porter and Bamba aren't JJJ.
Those two have #1 option potential. JJJ doesn't. That doesn't mean JJJ is not that good and won't be good but he's not going to be a #1, #2, or #3 option. He will be best in a situation similar to what Tyson Chandler or Capela did well in. Anyone who takes him without that role in mind and the personnel to execute on it might as well trash their pick.

While I personally wouldn't take Porter or Bamba over Bagley. I could see that depending on what you feel those two could be long term.

[Sactowndog]

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

I agree I think it would be bad scouting on their part in my opinon. I personally dont think JJJ is on the same level as Bagley as a prospect. But again there are plenty of people who do. And I was just speaking on the scenario if ATL felt like those two were very close as prospects.

But all of that is mute if the reports are true that Bagley is ATL's guy and they wouldve even thought about taking him #1 if they got that pick. So ya if they feel like he is the clear BPA then yes fit for the roster makes no difference. And from the reports out it looks like they have him as easily the BPA (which I agree with).

It’s not clear that the Kings don’t take him at 2.

[nolang1]

This is Basketball. Not Football. If you don't have a franchise player and one is available to grab him and end it.

D4L831, if Atlanta passes on Bagley, it wouldn't be for any reason other than incompetence.

I agree I think it would be bad scouting on their part in my opinon. I personally dont think JJJ is on the same level as Bagley as a prospect. But again there are plenty of people who do. And I was just speaking on the scenario if ATL felt like those two were very close as prospects.

But all of that is mute if the reports are true that Bagley is ATL's guy and they wouldve even thought about taking him #1 if they got that pick. So ya if they feel like he is the clear BPA then yes fit for the roster makes no difference. And from the reports out it looks like they have him as easily the BPA (which I agree with).

It’s not clear that the Kings don’t take him at 2.

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

[EricAnderson]

I agree I think it would be bad scouting on their part in my opinon. I personally dont think JJJ is on the same level as Bagley as a prospect. But again there are plenty of people who do. And I was just speaking on the scenario if ATL felt like those two were very close as prospects.

But all of that is mute if the reports are true that Bagley is ATL's guy and they wouldve even thought about taking him #1 if they got that pick. So ya if they feel like he is the clear BPA then yes fit for the roster makes no difference. And from the reports out it looks like they have him as easily the BPA (which I agree with).

It’s not clear that the Kings don’t take him at 2.

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

[Sactowndog]

It’s not clear that the Kings don’t take him at 2.

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

[ItsThatEasy]

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

Obviously none of us are in the organization but in general it seems comical to base a draft choice off Harry Giles.

Maybe he looks like Wilt in practice though, idk.

[PhilBlackson]

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

Unless they have a crystal ball, they still have no idea how his body will hold up so it is really anybody's guess what Giles' future might be like. Personally I don't see SAC going for Bagley anyways but I just don't believe that Giles would be that big of a part of why they didn't choose him ie/ if it were Anthony Davis that was available, nobody cares n he's getting selected anyways. I really don't think a kid who's ruined both knees n didn't look that great in college though really factors that highly in their decision making.

But because either of Ayton or Doncic look like a much better fit with Fox in particular I think they're just going to pull the trigger on whoever isn't taken with Bamba getting some consideration due to his upside (as Drummond did). Them being a better fit should Giles return to form will just be icing on the cake but I personally don't believe he factors THAT heavily into the decision because again if there was a player that looked like a generational talent, fit be damned but those 2 look to be equal, if not better prospects so why bother?!

[Homerclease]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

Jesus. Just last year this was false. The top 5 were viewed as pretty flat across the board. Duke4life831 is 100% right here

[nolang1]

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

Obviously none of us are in the organization but in general it seems comical to base a draft choice off Harry Giles.

Maybe he looks like Wilt in practice though, idk.

I don't know why people are focusing on that part more than the fact that Ayton and Doncic are the consensus top 2 so if you like Bagley over Ayton you have a decent chance of trading down and still getting the player you want.

[Pinkyring]

That wouldn't be good asset management IMO. It's not hard to make the case that a healthy Harry Giles is the Kings' best prospect, and he duplicates a lot of Bagley's skills. If the Kings value Bagley over Ayton (which I don't think is unreasonable) it would make much more sense for them to trade down.

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

If he was that effective in practice he'd have played sone games

[nolang1]

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

If he was that effective in practice he'd have played sone games

That doesn't hold up to any sort of common sense. You think Ben Simmons couldn't have played in any games in 2016-17?

[Pinkyring]

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

If he was that effective in practice he'd have played sone games

That doesn't hold up to any sort of common sense. You think Ben Simmons couldn't have played in any games in 2015-16?

Yes but they were tanking