2020 NBA Draft II

[clyde21]

not really scalable, not all 3s are created equal, the types of 3s that Maxey and Butler and Anthony take are different than Haliburton's, way more off-dribble, pull-up, etc, so this doesn't say anything really

We actually talked about this last year a lot, high end variance on threes is a lot more important in the modern NBA. Luka and Mitchell threes are a lot valuable in translation.

When you say high-end variance on threes, you are talking about when a prospect shows he can hit multiple threes in a row or hit pull ups, in transition 3s?

different types of 3s that keep defenses on edge, pull-up 3s, step back 3s, transition 3s, off-dribble 3s...all types of 3s that may go in at a worse rate than spot up 3s but they impact the game differently because they have to be defended differently

like Herro last year was obviously an incredible shooter because of all the high variance shots he tooks and shot 'only 35%' from 3 but the dude is clearly a great shooter regardless of the percentages

[getrichordie]

This dunk by Toppin in transition. Hot damn. @3:58

Also, Crutcher with the nasty AF poster @5:05

Watch on YouTube

[karkinos]

i can't believe we have to wait until september for the nba draft

[getrichordie]

A few questions:

• Why isn't Jalen Crutcher in the conversation for first round?
  
• Can Uros Trifunovic be Serbia's version of LaMelo Ball? Does he have a shot of getting drafted?
  
• How high does Mason Jones get drafted? His on-ball skills are tantalizing.
  
• How many point guards get drafted this year?
  
• How many 5s get drafted this year?
  
• How many stretch 4 prospects are in this year's draft?

[clyde21]

that's it, no more changes for me, after this board I'm moving on to 2021 mostly

1. R.J. HAMPTON
2. ONYEKA OKONGWU

3. ANTHONY EDWARDS
4. TYRESE MAXEY
5. TYRESE HALIBURTON

6. JAMES WISEMAN
7. COLE ANTHONY
8. JOSH GREEN
9. ISAAC OKORO
10. ISAIAH STEWART
11. OBI TOPPIN
12. TYLER BEY
13. JARED BUTLER
14. PATRICK WILLIAMS
15. KIRA LEWIS JR.
16. NICO MANNION
17. DEVIN VASSELL
18. LEANDRO BOLMARO

[Ruzious]

A few questions:

• Why isn't Jalen Crutcher in the conversation for first round?
  
• Can Uros Trifunovic be Serbia's version of LaMelo Ball? Does he have a shot of getting drafted?
  
• How high does Mason Jones get drafted? His on-ball skills are tantalizing.
  
• How many point guards get drafted this year?
  
• How many 5s get drafted this year?
  
• How many stretch 4 prospects are in this year's draft?

One more question: Who's the better prospect: Mason Jones or Grant Riller?

Spoiler:

I like them both, but I'd go with Jones, because he's a little younger, bigger, and from a bigger conference. And his ability to get to the line is ridiculous.

[greg4012]

^ true and false Adebayo was not even a little more fluid at the same age even though he is obviously moreso now... these comparisions to actual NBA players now compared to the same age are hillarious. Big O absolutley fits the mold of an Adebayo level prospect on both ends of the floor and anyone drafting him will be expecting him to become just that in a couple years. Don't think he can be that? I bet you didn't think Adebayo would be either then I guess then which is fine but I am more inclined to think you expect what a pro is now was always the case since you have no real understanding of how orgs value prospects

Watch Adebayo's HS tape then get back to us. Bam is basically creating a new mold that teams will now try to draft and emulate. It was just classic Cal to reduce Bam's role in college to traditional big duties.

Okongwu is a very good player that almost every team in the NBA can find good use for in today's game. But, the hope that he can be Bam is going to get him overrated.

Bam is a little bit taller, a little bit longer, significantly stronger in the lower body, more explosive, has a better handle, is an infinitely better passer. Oknongwu seems like he's able to legitimately switch on the perimeter and hold his own. This is invaluable because it allows a real rim protector and rebounding presence (and quality screener) to remain on the floor. But, there's still a difference between the big man who can survive switching on the perimeter and the big man who thrives doing it (Bam).

Oknongwu is a better shotblocker than both Bam and Tristan, so he definitely has that going for him.

[NO-KG-AI]

You don’t even have to look further than the Ball family to see how LaMelo can get the keys to the offense and not be a “boom.” His own brother is a more poised and better pg, and a much smarter and more active defender, while being an equally bad scorer, and he’s had to become a much better shooter just to settle in as a role player


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[greg4012]

Okongwu is nowhere close to Adebayo as an athlete, IMO. This video is all the evidence you need.

Watch on YouTube

impressive, and nothing that changes opinions on Okongwu even a little bit.
See this is what I am talking about. posting a video of Adebayo then suggesting it means big O aint the same
is laughable when he showed his explosiveness all season. I can't wait till he gets better at passing which btw is what made BAM go from who he was to an elite big and why he was considered a reach being drafted at 14 by many who projected him as a late first pick based on college production yet big O is widely considered a top 10 lock in this one...

It's kind of lunacy to expect your average big prospect to develop passing skills comparable to the second best passing big in the NBA.

Your perspective is a bit too warped by the fact that Calipari always marginalizes the skills of his talented bigs to have them work in a limited role reserved for big man duties.

[Stillwater]

Okongwu is nowhere close to Adebayo as an athlete, IMO. This video is all the evidence you need.

Watch on YouTube

impressive, and nothing that changes opinions on Okongwu even a little bit.
See this is what I am talking about. posting a video of Adebayo then suggesting it means big O aint the same
is laughable when he showed his explosiveness all season. I can't wait till he gets better at passing which btw is what made BAM go from who he was to an elite big and why he was considered a reach being drafted at 14 by many who projected him as a late first pick based on college production yet big O is widely considered a top 10 lock in this one...

It's kind of lunacy to expect your average big prospect to develop passing skills comparable to the second best passing big in the NBA.

Your perspective is a bit too warped by the fact that Calipari always marginalizes the skills of his talented bigs to have them work in a limited role reserved for big man duties.

understandable , I see a much more realistic path for big O being the same level of high impact big in the league in a couple seasons. he is still getting stronger and slowly which is the right way. he was 275 before the acl and so it is certainly reasonable to see him getting closer to that again if he wants to go full 5. But I think he will be better off as a 4 in the league and is going to open some eyes once he gets some reps there. his skill set was also limited in college by the need for his interior presence.
he needs to improve his passing to become BAM level impact even if it isn't in the same exact way. O is already nearly as explosive off one or two feet and isnt as strong as BAM was...even if he isn't doing highlight windmills and isn't handling the ball like a guard the athleticism is special. after all of that the biggest thing for me is his egg. the man is a bbiq beast for a underrated rim runner with shooting ability you didnt see in college.

[getrichordie]

If Big O is 275, you can kiss his mobility good bye.

[greg4012]

impressive, and nothing that changes opinions on Okongwu even a little bit.
See this is what I am talking about. posting a video of Adebayo then suggesting it means big O aint the same
is laughable when he showed his explosiveness all season. I can't wait till he gets better at passing which btw is what made BAM go from who he was to an elite big and why he was considered a reach being drafted at 14 by many who projected him as a late first pick based on college production yet big O is widely considered a top 10 lock in this one...

It's kind of lunacy to expect your average big prospect to develop passing skills comparable to the second best passing big in the NBA.

Your perspective is a bit too warped by the fact that Calipari always marginalizes the skills of his talented bigs to have them work in a limited role reserved for big man duties.

understandable , I see a much more realistic path for big O being the same level of high impact big in the league in a couple seasons. he is still getting stronger and slowly which is the right way. he was 275 before the acl and so it is certainly reasonable to see him getting closer to that again if he wants to go full 5. But I think he will be better off as a 4 in the league and is going to open some eyes once he gets some reps there. his skill set was also limited in college by the need for his interior presence.
he needs to improve his passing to become BAM level impact even if it isn't in the same exact way. O is already nearly as explosive off one or two feet and isnt as strong as BAM was...even if he isn't doing highlight windmills and isn't handling the ball like a guard the athleticism is special. after all of that the biggest thing for me is his egg. the man is a bbiq beast for a underrated rim runner with shooting ability you didnt see in college.

The hopeful projection of prospects like this just reminds me of people trying to project every long athletic wing prospect that is somewhat raw to be on a Kawhi trajectory. A lot end up really good. But the story of nearly unprecedented continued NBA development is usually not the common one. It's nearly unprecedented for a reason.

It takes the blend of all of Bam's special traits to make him the player he's becoming. Someone who is quite a bit less explosive, has a bit less handle, just a little shorter, just a little less agile, just has a little less body control is not going to suddenly become Bam even if he makes the unprecedented jump in passing ability that Bam made (which is unprecedented for a reason).

I still see a very intriguing prospect that will be a damn good NBA starter for years. Might even be a slightly more natural scorer than the likes of Bam.

[Stillwater]

It's kind of lunacy to expect your average big prospect to develop passing skills comparable to the second best passing big in the NBA.

Your perspective is a bit too warped by the fact that Calipari always marginalizes the skills of his talented bigs to have them work in a limited role reserved for big man duties.

understandable , I see a much more realistic path for big O being the same level of high impact big in the league in a couple seasons. he is still getting stronger and slowly which is the right way. he was 275 before the acl and so it is certainly reasonable to see him getting closer to that again if he wants to go full 5. But I think he will be better off as a 4 in the league and is going to open some eyes once he gets some reps there. his skill set was also limited in college by the need for his interior presence.
he needs to improve his passing to become BAM level impact even if it isn't in the same exact way. O is already nearly as explosive off one or two feet and isnt as strong as BAM was...even if he isn't doing highlight windmills and isn't handling the ball like a guard the athleticism is special. after all of that the biggest thing for me is his egg. the man is a bbiq beast for a underrated rim runner with shooting ability you didnt see in college.

The hopeful projection of prospects like this just reminds me of people trying to project every long athletic wing prospect that is somewhat raw to be on a Kawhi trajectory. A lot end up really good. But the story of nearly unprecedented continued NBA development is usually not the common one. It's nearly unprecedented for a reason.

It takes the blend of all of Bam's special traits to make him the player he's becoming. Someone who is quite a bit less explosive, has a bit less handle, just a little shorter, just a little less agile, just has a little less body control is not going to suddenly become Bam even if he makes the unprecedented jump in passing ability that Bam made (which is unprecedented for a reason).

I still see a very intriguing prospect that will be a damn good NBA starter for years. Might even be a slightly more natural scorer than the likes of Bam.

I don't agree the difference in athleticism is accurate. Its obvious bam was stronger at the same age and at the same time did not have O's understanding of the game defensively.
Twist it however suits your taste. O is on the path to be a multiple year all star if he keeps at it and its not based on windmill dunks or guard handles

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

understandable , I see a much more realistic path for big O being the same level of high impact big in the league in a couple seasons. he is still getting stronger and slowly which is the right way. he was 275 before the acl and so it is certainly reasonable to see him getting closer to that again if he wants to go full 5. But I think he will be better off as a 4 in the league and is going to open some eyes once he gets some reps there. his skill set was also limited in college by the need for his interior presence.
he needs to improve his passing to become BAM level impact even if it isn't in the same exact way. O is already nearly as explosive off one or two feet and isnt as strong as BAM was...even if he isn't doing highlight windmills and isn't handling the ball like a guard the athleticism is special. after all of that the biggest thing for me is his egg. the man is a bbiq beast for a underrated rim runner with shooting ability you didnt see in college.

The hopeful projection of prospects like this just reminds me of people trying to project every long athletic wing prospect that is somewhat raw to be on a Kawhi trajectory. A lot end up really good. But the story of nearly unprecedented continued NBA development is usually not the common one. It's nearly unprecedented for a reason.

It takes the blend of all of Bam's special traits to make him the player he's becoming. Someone who is quite a bit less explosive, has a bit less handle, just a little shorter, just a little less agile, just has a little less body control is not going to suddenly become Bam even if he makes the unprecedented jump in passing ability that Bam made (which is unprecedented for a reason).

I still see a very intriguing prospect that will be a damn good NBA starter for years. Might even be a slightly more natural scorer than the likes of Bam.

I don't agree the difference in athleticism is accurate. Its obvious bam was stronger at the same age and at the same time did not have O's understanding of the game defensively.
Twist it however suits your taste. O is on the path to be a multiple year all star if he keeps at it and its not based on windmill dunks or guard handles

Just here to say there is a clear difference in athleticism. You'll see it next year.

[Stillwater]

Spoiler:

The hopeful projection of prospects like this just reminds me of people trying to project every long athletic wing prospect that is somewhat raw to be on a Kawhi trajectory. A lot end up really good. But the story of nearly unprecedented continued NBA development is usually not the common one. It's nearly unprecedented for a reason.

It takes the blend of all of Bam's special traits to make him the player he's becoming. Someone who is quite a bit less explosive, has a bit less handle, just a little shorter, just a little less agile, just has a little less body control is not going to suddenly become Bam even if he makes the unprecedented jump in passing ability that Bam made (which is unprecedented for a reason).

I still see a very intriguing prospect that will be a damn good NBA starter for years. Might even be a slightly more natural scorer than the likes of Bam.

I don't agree the difference in athleticism is accurate. Its obvious bam was stronger at the same age and at the same time did not have O's understanding of the game defensively.
Twist it however suits your taste. O is on the path to be a multiple year all star if he keeps at it and its not based on windmill dunks or guard handles

Just here to say there is a clear difference in athleticism. You'll see it next year.

Nope there is a slight difference in bams mobility when dribbling. The vert and 2nd jump are very similar and o gets more done athletically with less energy due to his iq , he doesnt have to play with the same power to get it done, but its obvious he possesses elite explosive ability as a blocker even if it cant match bams highlight dunks

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

I don't agree the difference in athleticism is accurate. Its obvious bam was stronger at the same age and at the same time did not have O's understanding of the game defensively.
Twist it however suits your taste. O is on the path to be a multiple year all star if he keeps at it and its not based on windmill dunks or guard handles

Just here to say there is a clear difference in athleticism. You'll see it next year.

Nope there is a slight difference in bams mobility when dribbling. The vert and 2nd jump are very similar and o gets more done athletically with less energy due to his iq , he doesnt have to play with the same power to get it done, but its obvious he possesses elite explosive ability as a blocker even if it cant match bams highlight dunks

It's not about Bam's highlight dunks and Bam is clearly the higher IQ player. Bam is way more functionally athletic than Okongwu. It's not really close. How can you not see that?

[Stillwater]

Spoiler:

Just here to say there is a clear difference in athleticism. You'll see it next year.

Nope there is a slight difference in bams mobility when dribbling. The vert and 2nd jump are very similar and o gets more done athletically with less energy due to his iq , he doesnt have to play with the same power to get it done, but its obvious he possesses elite explosive ability as a blocker even if it cant match bams highlight dunks

It's not about Bam's highlight dunks and Bam is clearly the higher IQ player. Bam is way more functionally athletic than Okongwu. It's not really close. How can you not see that?

Your a piece of work man. Keep telling yourself o aint bam , i say he will be better so laugh it up i will get the last laugh

[getrichordie]

Nope there is a slight difference in bams mobility when dribbling. The vert and 2nd jump are very similar and o gets more done athletically with less energy due to his iq , he doesnt have to play with the same power to get it done, but its obvious he possesses elite explosive ability as a blocker even if it cant match bams highlight dunks

It's not about Bam's highlight dunks and Bam is clearly the higher IQ player. Bam is way more functionally athletic than Okongwu. It's not really close. How can you not see that?

Your a piece of work man. Keep telling yourself o aint bam , i say he will be better so laugh it up i will get the last laugh

We will see.

[Roddy B for 3]

I see Okongwu as Clint Capella more than Bam Adebayo

[getrichordie]

Does anyone know anything about Nick Weatherspoon, point guard out of MSU?

Can't find much on him. I think he's the son of the former NBA player by the same name and his brother is Quinndary Weatherspoon who was recently drafted.

I know he got suspended for violating team rules, but what did he do?

His athleticism is interesting and there's just something about him that caught my eye.