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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1021 » by nolang1 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:53 am

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clyde21 wrote:Okoro is top10 been saying this for a couple of weeks


I'm honestly slow on him because his draft Twitter followers are annoying. He's the new grant williams

Tbf the Grant Williams stuff was annoying because he was clearly a niche player and didn’t pass the eye test as a projectable NBA star.

Okoro looks like your prototypical one-and-done lottery wing prospect.. he will get the same pre-draft hype as the Justise Winslows, Stanley Johnson, etc

I haven’t even looked at his advanced stats or any of that yet, just from watching him play the raw NBA upside is obvious and I’m sure scouts see it as well. He would start at SF for the Wizards or Cavs right now.


It's probably at least fair to wonder where the Justise Winslows and Stanley Johnsons should've been drafted compared to where they were. Okoro should've been looked at as a potential lottery/top-10 pick before the season, but anything more than that is likely overcorrection for a perimeter player who's shooting 21% on threes and 55% on free throws.
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Post#1022 » by King Ken » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:35 am

This Duke squad is trash. Carey Jr. is garbage. Jones is too hot and cold. Damnit!
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Post#1023 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:35 am

King Ken wrote:This Duke squad is trash. Carey Jr. is garbage. Jones is too hot and cold. Damnit!


I don't think they're trash, I think they can end up being a good college team this year. There are no dominant teams in college this year, so I don't expect a team to sit at #1 for too long.

Now if we are talking NBA prospects from this team, I agree its pretty garbage. SFA really showed why Vernon Carey isn't a 1st round pick. They did all their damage tonight inside the paint. They did that just by motion and spacing and Carey just cant keep up with it, he just moves his feet way too slow. He is Zach Randolph 2.0, the thing is though, no one is playing like the Grit and Grind Grizzlies anymore. Carey is only a 5 in today's game and isn't an ideal 5 either. Skilled dude who should eat up the majority of college teams, would've been a lotto pick 15 years ago, just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

Hurt just isn't a NBA player. If he was 6'11 ya maybe, but the dude is 6'8, has a really slow set shot where he doesn't leave the ground. He is struggling to get his shot off against college guys, he is also shockingly unatheltic and weak. Just not a NBA player.

Cassius I really do love watching. The kid plays the game how you want a player on your team to play. The corner 3 from him as of late has been a great sign. But the TRex wingspan really hurts his defensive prospects and has absolutely 0 offense putting the ball on the court. He just has 0 transferable NBA skills.

Moore is just meh. Good size, okay athlete, okay handle, horrible shot and horrible defender. There are flashes when he combines his size, athleticism and handle together against college players where you say, "he could end up being a damn good college player". But don't see anything that shows flashes of NBA starter or anything.

Tre is still just Tre. Fantastic defender, but the shot is way too inconsistent and he isn't a true #1 option on a team, which he is being asked to do a lot this year and we are seeing some inconsistencies, especially with his turnovers which was never an issue. As of right now he is just like his brother, really solid backup PG, if he ever gets a consistent 3pt shot could be a solid starting PG.

In all honesty Javin DeLaurier could end up being one of the best NBA prospects from this team. He looks unplayable right now, K and Duke has completely given up on player development over the last decade. With his size and athleticism, I could see a great player development staff getting their hands on him and making him a solid defensive big coming off the bench.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1024 » by GimmeDat » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:03 am

Where are we at on Grimes start to the season?
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Post#1025 » by King Ken » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:27 am

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King Ken wrote:This Duke squad is trash. Carey Jr. is garbage. Jones is too hot and cold. Damnit!


I don't think they're trash, I think they can end up being a good college team this year. There are no dominant teams in college this year, so I don't expect a team to sit at #1 for too long.

Now if we are talking NBA prospects from this team, I agree its pretty garbage. SFA really showed why Vernon Carey isn't a 1st round pick. They did all their damage tonight inside the paint. They did that just by motion and spacing and Carey just cant keep up with it, he just moves his feet way too slow. He is Zach Randolph 2.0, the thing is though, no one is playing like the Grit and Grind Grizzlies anymore. Carey is only a 5 in today's game and isn't an ideal 5 either. Skilled dude who should eat up the majority of college teams, would've been a lotto pick 15 years ago, just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

Hurt just isn't a NBA player. If he was 6'11 ya maybe, but the dude is 6'8, has a really slow set shot where he doesn't leave the ground. He is struggling to get his shot off against college guys, he is also shockingly unatheltic and weak. Just not a NBA player.

Cassius I really do love watching. The kid plays the game how you want a player on your team to play. The corner 3 from him as of late has been a great sign. But the TRex wingspan really hurts his defensive prospects and has absolutely 0 offense putting the ball on the court. He just has 0 transferable NBA skills.

Moore is just meh. Good size, okay athlete, okay handle, horrible shot and horrible defender. There are flashes when he combines his size, athleticism and handle together against college players where you say, "he could end up being a damn good college player". But don't see anything that shows flashes of NBA starter or anything.

Tre is still just Tre. Fantastic defender, but the shot is way too inconsistent and he isn't a true #1 option on a team, which he is being asked to do a lot this year and we are seeing some inconsistencies, especially with his turnovers which was never an issue. As of right now he is just like his brother, really solid backup PG, if he ever gets a consistent 3pt shot could be a solid starting PG.

In all honesty Javin DeLaurier could end up being one of the best NBA prospects from this team. He looks unplayable right now, K and Duke has completely given up on player development over the last decade. With his size and athleticism, I could see a great player development staff getting their hands on him and making him a solid defensive big coming off the bench.

It's a clear over-exaggeration on my end but yes, this team is one that unlike the previous squads we have had over the recent years. I've gotten accustomed to the 1 and done era Blue Devils.
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Post#1026 » by King Ken » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:28 am

For those looking for unranked prospects: Look at CofC Tiller and Butler's Baldwin.
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Post#1027 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:31 am

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King Ken wrote:This Duke squad is trash. Carey Jr. is garbage. Jones is too hot and cold. Damnit!


I don't think they're trash, I think they can end up being a good college team this year. There are no dominant teams in college this year, so I don't expect a team to sit at #1 for too long.

Now if we are talking NBA prospects from this team, I agree its pretty garbage. SFA really showed why Vernon Carey isn't a 1st round pick. They did all their damage tonight inside the paint. They did that just by motion and spacing and Carey just cant keep up with it, he just moves his feet way too slow. He is Zach Randolph 2.0, the thing is though, no one is playing like the Grit and Grind Grizzlies anymore. Carey is only a 5 in today's game and isn't an ideal 5 either. Skilled dude who should eat up the majority of college teams, would've been a lotto pick 15 years ago, just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

Hurt just isn't a NBA player. If he was 6'11 ya maybe, but the dude is 6'8, has a really slow set shot where he doesn't leave the ground. He is struggling to get his shot off against college guys, he is also shockingly unatheltic and weak. Just not a NBA player.

Cassius I really do love watching. The kid plays the game how you want a player on your team to play. The corner 3 from him as of late has been a great sign. But the TRex wingspan really hurts his defensive prospects and has absolutely 0 offense putting the ball on the court. He just has 0 transferable NBA skills.

Moore is just meh. Good size, okay athlete, okay handle, horrible shot and horrible defender. There are flashes when he combines his size, athleticism and handle together against college players where you say, "he could end up being a damn good college player". But don't see anything that shows flashes of NBA starter or anything.

Tre is still just Tre. Fantastic defender, but the shot is way too inconsistent and he isn't a true #1 option on a team, which he is being asked to do a lot this year and we are seeing some inconsistencies, especially with his turnovers which was never an issue. As of right now he is just like his brother, really solid backup PG, if he ever gets a consistent 3pt shot could be a solid starting PG.

In all honesty Javin DeLaurier could end up being one of the best NBA prospects from this team. He looks unplayable right now, K and Duke has completely given up on player development over the last decade. With his size and athleticism, I could see a great player development staff getting their hands on him and making him a solid defensive big coming off the bench.

It's a clear over-exaggeration on my end but yes, this team is one that unlike the previous squads we have had over the recent years. I've gotten accustomed to the 1 and done era Blue Devils.


Oh its still the OAD era at Duke. Carey, Stanley, and Moore have 0 intentions on being at Duke next year. Same goes for Hurt, but I have a feeling Hurt wont even get a combine offer. So ya still the OAD year for Duke, just a historically weak one haha.
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Post#1028 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:35 am

GimmeDat wrote:Where are we at on Grimes start to the season?


The 3pt shot and FT% is kind of worrisome in my opinion. It was rough last year and has been rough to start the year as well. If that doesn't turn around, hard to see taking him all that high. I wont lie though, have only seen highlights and stats from this year. Haven't gotten around to my Houston college basketball yet haha.
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Post#1029 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:00 am

When this kid has his motor going and his shot falling, he sure does look impressive

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Post#1030 » by King Ken » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:10 am

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I don't think they're trash, I think they can end up being a good college team this year. There are no dominant teams in college this year, so I don't expect a team to sit at #1 for too long.

Now if we are talking NBA prospects from this team, I agree its pretty garbage. SFA really showed why Vernon Carey isn't a 1st round pick. They did all their damage tonight inside the paint. They did that just by motion and spacing and Carey just cant keep up with it, he just moves his feet way too slow. He is Zach Randolph 2.0, the thing is though, no one is playing like the Grit and Grind Grizzlies anymore. Carey is only a 5 in today's game and isn't an ideal 5 either. Skilled dude who should eat up the majority of college teams, would've been a lotto pick 15 years ago, just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

Hurt just isn't a NBA player. If he was 6'11 ya maybe, but the dude is 6'8, has a really slow set shot where he doesn't leave the ground. He is struggling to get his shot off against college guys, he is also shockingly unatheltic and weak. Just not a NBA player.

Cassius I really do love watching. The kid plays the game how you want a player on your team to play. The corner 3 from him as of late has been a great sign. But the TRex wingspan really hurts his defensive prospects and has absolutely 0 offense putting the ball on the court. He just has 0 transferable NBA skills.

Moore is just meh. Good size, okay athlete, okay handle, horrible shot and horrible defender. There are flashes when he combines his size, athleticism and handle together against college players where you say, "he could end up being a damn good college player". But don't see anything that shows flashes of NBA starter or anything.

Tre is still just Tre. Fantastic defender, but the shot is way too inconsistent and he isn't a true #1 option on a team, which he is being asked to do a lot this year and we are seeing some inconsistencies, especially with his turnovers which was never an issue. As of right now he is just like his brother, really solid backup PG, if he ever gets a consistent 3pt shot could be a solid starting PG.

In all honesty Javin DeLaurier could end up being one of the best NBA prospects from this team. He looks unplayable right now, K and Duke has completely given up on player development over the last decade. With his size and athleticism, I could see a great player development staff getting their hands on him and making him a solid defensive big coming off the bench.

It's a clear over-exaggeration on my end but yes, this team is one that unlike the previous squads we have had over the recent years. I've gotten accustomed to the 1 and done era Blue Devils.


Oh its still the OAD era at Duke. Carey, Stanley, and Moore have 0 intentions on being at Duke next year. Same goes for Hurt, but I have a feeling Hurt wont even get a combine offer. So ya still the OAD year for Duke, just a historically weak one haha.

These guys about to get the Duval and Trent Jr. treatment. They aren't good enough for the NBA outside of Jones.
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Post#1031 » by King Ken » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:11 am

Duke4life831 wrote:When this kid has his motor going and his shot falling, he sure does look impressive


He is special.
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Post#1032 » by clyde21 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:When this kid has his motor going and his shot falling, he sure does look impressive



absolutely...problem is that shot and motor come and go
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1033 » by clyde21 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:29 pm

the solid top6 for me right now...

Lewis
RJ
Edwards
Cole
Wiseman
Oscar

i think all 6 are good but have some clear flaws

after these it gets pretty difficult to rank, but Grimes, Jaden and Okoro would also probably be in my top10.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1034 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:07 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:When this kid has his motor going and his shot falling, he sure does look impressive



absolutely...problem is that shot and motor come and go


yup. At minimum if he had that motor every game he would probably be the lock #1 pick. I wont lie, there is just something about that form on the jumper that I don't like. I cant put my finger on it, I just don't trust it.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1035 » by MotownMadness » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:33 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:When this kid has his motor going and his shot falling, he sure does look impressive



absolutely...problem is that shot and motor come and go


yup. At minimum if he had that motor every game he would probably be the lock #1 pick. I wont lie, there is just something about that form on the jumper that I don't like. I cant put my finger on it, I just don't trust it.

Honestly motor is one of the main things i look at if im a GM. Its the difference between a guy like Drummond and Siakam. Theres nothing more frustrating than motor issues to me
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Post#1036 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:44 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
absolutely...problem is that shot and motor come and go


yup. At minimum if he had that motor every game he would probably be the lock #1 pick. I wont lie, there is just something about that form on the jumper that I don't like. I cant put my finger on it, I just don't trust it.

Honestly motor is one of the main things i look at if im a GM. Its the difference between a guy like Drummond and Siakam. Theres nothing more frustrating than motor issues to me


Agreed. It also seems like one thing that seems really hard for a player to change. Its not too often you hear players with major motor questions, end up having good motors. Not saying it doesn't happen, just doesn't happen too often. I think motor questions are major red flags.
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Post#1037 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:49 pm

my faith in cole is starting to fade, still early but dont love what ive seen so far
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Post#1038 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:54 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:my faith in cole is starting to fade, still early but dont love what ive seen so far


Elaborate please good sir.
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Post#1039 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:08 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:my faith in cole is starting to fade, still early but dont love what ive seen so far


Elaborate please good sir.


he still looks good to me but I don't see a #1 pick quality player you know.

pretty concerned with his offense inside the arc especially at the rim so far and on top of that he's not converting at the line.

He has some playmaking chops but the decision making/vision is still not great. The defense is nothing special, on ball he competes but isnt really effective and off-ball hes can make some great reads but also mess up leaving shooters open pretty frequently so far (although that could be coverages im not sure)

He also doesn't seem as athletic as he was hyped up to be, the drose comparisons seem ridiculous now,

Just thoroughly whelmed by him so far I guess. But that could just be my expectations being too high.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft 

Post#1040 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:04 pm

Tyrell Terry isn't much worse than Nico Mannion

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