2022 NBA Draft Part II

[jezzerinho]

honestly I'm really starting to wonder why Ivey's getting super hyper by everyone and Davis is getting overlooked at this point. Davis is a better rebounder, better defender both on and off-ball with a generally more sophisticated scoring repertoire.

other than running faster in a straight line what does Ivey do better than Davis?

So I'm not alone after all!!!! Hallelujah!!!

[mattao313]

honestly I'm really starting to wonder why Ivey's getting super hyper by everyone and Davis is getting overlooked at this point. Davis is a better rebounder, better defender both on and off-ball with a generally more sophisticated scoring repertoire.

other than running faster in a straight line what does Ivey do better than Davis?

This is a silly question he has elite burst and quickness. Even if you think Davis is better at other things he doesn't have any elite qualities.

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that's my point. tell me one thing he does better than Davis other than being faster? especially that it makes him regarded so much higher as a prospect.

Exactly that's the point Davis doesn't have any elite qualities Ivey does.

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[jman3134]

I like both Davis and Ivey a lot in this draft. Davis is a more refined offensive weapon at this point, but I think Ivey has the burst to play much better in space, which is what the next level is all about. Davis received unprecedented defensive attention from what I saw on film. I think he is going to be one of the gems of this class as well, though I view Ivey as a better prospect. Both are towards the top of this class imo.

100% eye test: for Chet, I understand why he is an elite prospect, but I don't believe that he will develop close to his upside case. To do so, he will need to continue developing his handle and establish himself as a 40%+ 3pt shooter right out of the gate. Defensively, I think he will be decent from a help perspective, but I don't see him adding enough weight to not be somewhat of a liability 1 on 1. He is one of the more difficult calls, but I lean towards him not reaching the upside case.

Banchero I don't like as an NBA prospect in the top 10. He peaked early on his physical development. He is a solid midrange shooter, but just average from 3. He doesn't have much in the way of defense. He has a good handle and decent fluidity for his size. Could he continue to develop? Sure. But, he will need to specialize from beyond the arc to make up for his complete liability on the defensive end. Maybe if an NBA team uses him as a small ball center and then surrounds him with some lengthy wings to rim protect he can reach his potential. That could be a situational win. He certainly rebounds well enough and has the physicality. But, more likely than not, I think he will not live up to expectations.

Jabari Smith I am very high on in terms of his shot making and general scoring ability. I think he is a perfect fit in the modern NBA.

Keegan Murray I have expressed in other threads that I do not see as an elite level prospect from his college tape, but I admit that I might be missing something from a personality composition standpoint.

Mathurin is absolutely one of my favorite prospects in this class as well. I'm not completely sold on the shooting, but I think he is a good overall scorer with solid explosiveness, which will translate. He is in my upper tier of this class.

AJ Griffin I like a lot more than consensus at this point. I think the age and shot making portend big things to come. Obviously, he is still a work in progress, but I think he is still young enough to develop certain areas of his game and emerge towards the top of this class, injuries permitting. Obviously, you have to discount the injury history and take a look at his medical though.

Also, I really like Malaki Branham's shot making. I wouldn't put him in my top top tier, but he is up there.

Mark Williams impact on the defensive end is going to translate considerably and he is going to be a big win for someone. In the second round, Christian Koloko should actually have a great impact as well with the ability to switch out on the perimeter. These nimble footed bigs should be big wins in this class.

Jeremy Sochan is one of my favorite players in this draft from a defensive standpoint as well. I think he will provide some unique switchable presence on the floor. Offensively, I think he has a lot of work to do, but should be a very rich man's PJ Tucker. Winning player.

There are a bunch of players I believe are mis-valued in the 2nd round this year according to what the mocks say now. Gui Santos, Christian Koloko, Ryan Rollins, Dominick Barlow, Gabriele Procida, Jean Montero, and Kenny Lofton I believe are elite value.

I'm light on my G League Ignite tapework and Tari Eason so I'm going to abstain from making any general statements. Analytics and tools obviously look good on Eason, but IQ looks a bit all over the place from what I've seen. I'm not sure where to put him at this point.

My tiers from a prospect's standpoint (weighing likelihood of hitting + where I think they'll end up):

Jabari Smith

Jaden Ivey
Chet (with the most upside, but not reaching it)

Mathurin
Griffin (injuries being a big risk)
Davis
Branham
Sochan

Mark Williams
Duren
Agbaji

Banchero
Keegan
Gui Santos (see upside for more but shooting)
Dalen Terry (see upside for a lot more but shooting)

Koloko
Jalen Williams
Barlow

[SelfishPlayer]

I never see Malaki Branham and Johnny Davis compared even though Malaki plays the more complete version of that same "tough shot" midrange style. Malaki couples it with three point range while Johnny Davis doesn't have much range. Johnny Davis began the season as a top 5 pick all over the place, but quietly Malaki has closed ground and they both are regarded as lottery picks outside of the top 5.

[bucknut]

Beauchamp vs Dieng- why is Dieng rated higher here ? ....similar players Dieng taller but he has the classic euro Batum look...going to be a ceiling to his offense. Beauchamp has alot more explosive ability in his game imo

Completely different players. Dieng has the ability to actually run the PnR and be a good passer, he has more upside on defense (if he hits it) due to his size and weak-side help instincts, and he's a lot younger (that matters a lot!) – so there's more hope, for instance, that he'll become a solid-to-good shooter eventually and generally has more opportunities to unlock his game.

I always say "who is better at what they do". Just 1 elite skill translates, .that's why I don't like Murray I watch the games and don't even notice him sometimes nothing stands out he does great it's like invisible stats......Beauchamp has that 1 elite translatable skill and it's his athleticism and slashing ability who besides Ivey is can match him ? I don't think ogbagi can touch beauchamp slashing off the dribble. ...When I think of Beachamp and Ivey I think of Wade coming out, that elite ability to get to the rim translates.

His defensive potential is possibly more valuable then Dieng because the best scorers are guards and this man can move his feet and can explode athletically with the elite guards.

Dieng to me doesn't have an elite translatable skillset besides passing but he's not a point guard. He does have some good handles, he can move, he's built like Lemelo out there...but he doesn't have much explosion...he's like a mix between Batum, Kyle anderson, and Lemelo......If he's going against a twitchy strong defender he isn't going to finish. He can't post and he can't hit a 3

Dieng can be solid rotational player, not a star. Kind of like Batum....... I think Beauchamp has a much higher ceiling.

[jman3134]

This is a silly question he has elite burst and quickness. Even if you think Davis is better at other things he doesn't have any elite qualities.

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that's my point. tell me one thing he does better than Davis other than being faster? especially that it makes him regarded so much higher as a prospect.

Exactly that's the point Davis doesn't have any elite qualities Ivey does.

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Disagree. He creates separation really well. Great hands defensively. Didn't always like his shot selection, but he didn't have many other options around him.

[bucknut]

I never see Malaki Branham and Johnny Davis compared even though Malaki plays the more complete version of that same "tough shot" midrange style. Malaki couples it with three point range while Johnny Davis doesn't have much range. Johnny Davis began the season as a top 5 pick all over the place, but quietly Malaki has closed ground and they both are regarded as lottery picks outside of the top 5.

Malaki passes the look test Johnny Davis doesn't. ........Johnny Davis looks like he's Devin Harris height not 6-5 ..anyone else notice this ,how is branham listed same height as Davis ??

Davis gets off the bus and you wonder how is this guy gonna get his shot off ? ....Ivey is way better athletically. Branham is way longer, but Davis is just more polished knows how to get a shot. The question for Johnny Davis supporters is he as athletic as Devin Booker who is his comp ?

If he is couple inches shorter he is ryan boatwright.....I think if he busts it's going to be athleticism but not counting Johnny Davis off though because the few inches he does have enables him to get away with playing like a smaller guard. if he's 6 foot 3 he would struggle

[zimpy27]

honestly I'm really starting to wonder why Ivey's getting super hyper by everyone and Davis is getting overlooked at this point. Davis is a better rebounder, better defender both on and off-ball with a generally more sophisticated scoring repertoire.

other than running faster in a straight line what does Ivey do better than Davis?

I've been with you on this the whole time. I think the comfort to take the ball into the midrange to operate is an important skill for guards in the NBA, Davis has it and Ivey just doesn't. The lack of confidence in the midrange is an important distinction between them. Ivey i going to be looking like Westbrook and I'm just not a fan of the speedy drive and pre-planned or panic dish out that they create. It's not a playoff-level manouevre.

The Ivey hype is reaching a crescendo and part of me thinks some of it is smoke/mirrors by drafting teams and we probably see Ivey fall to 6-8 range on draft night.

[zimpy27]

I like both Davis and Ivey a lot in this draft. Davis is a more refined offensive weapon at this point, but I think Ivey has the burst to play much better in space, which is what the next level is all about. Davis received unprecedented defensive attention from what I saw on film. I think he is going to be one of the gems of this class as well, though I view Ivey as a better prospect. Both are towards the top of this class imo.

100% eye test: for Chet, I understand why he is an elite prospect, but I don't believe that he will develop close to his upside case. To do so, he will need to continue developing his handle and establish himself as a 40%+ 3pt shooter right out of the gate. Defensively, I think he will be decent from a help perspective, but I don't see him adding enough weight to not be somewhat of a liability 1 on 1. He is one of the more difficult calls, but I lean towards him not reaching the upside case.

Banchero I don't like as an NBA prospect in the top 10. He peaked early on his physical development. He is a solid midrange shooter, but just average from 3. He doesn't have much in the way of defense. He has a good handle and decent fluidity for his size. Could he continue to develop? Sure. But, he will need to specialize from beyond the arc to make up for his complete liability on the defensive end. Maybe if an NBA team uses him as a small ball center and then surrounds him with some lengthy wings to rim protect he can reach his potential. That could be a situational win. He certainly rebounds well enough and has the physicality. But, more likely than not, I think he will not live up to expectations.

Jabari Smith I am very high on in terms of his shot making and general scoring ability. I think he is a perfect fit in the modern NBA.

Keegan Murray I have expressed in other threads that I do not see as an elite level prospect from his college tape, but I admit that I might be missing something from a personality composition standpoint.

Mathurin is absolutely one of my favorite prospects in this class as well. I'm not completely sold on the shooting, but I think he is a good overall scorer with solid explosiveness, which will translate. He is in my upper tier of this class.

AJ Griffin I like a lot more than consensus at this point. I think the age and shot making portend big things to come. Obviously, he is still a work in progress, but I think he is still young enough to develop certain areas of his game and emerge towards the top of this class, injuries permitting. Obviously, you have to discount the injury history and take a look at his medical though.

Also, I really like Malaki Branham's shot making. I wouldn't put him in my top top tier, but he is up there.

Mark Williams impact on the defensive end is going to translate considerably and he is going to be a big win for someone. In the second round, Christian Koloko should actually have a great impact as well with the ability to switch out on the perimeter. These nimble footed bigs should be big wins in this class.

Jeremy Sochan is one of my favorite players in this draft from a defensive standpoint as well. I think he will provide some unique switchable presence on the floor. Offensively, I think he has a lot of work to do, but should be a very rich man's PJ Tucker. Winning player.

There are a bunch of players I believe are mis-valued in the 2nd round this year according to what the mocks say now. Gui Santos, Christian Koloko, Ryan Rollins, Dominick Barlow, Gabriele Procida, Jean Montero, and Kenny Lofton I believe are elite value.

I'm light on my G League Ignite tapework and Tari Eason so I'm going to abstain from making any general statements. Analytics and tools obviously look good on Eason, but IQ looks a bit all over the place from what I've seen. I'm not sure where to put him at this point.

My tiers from a prospect's standpoint (weighing likelihood of hitting + where I think they'll end up):

Jabari Smith

Jaden Ivey
Chet (with the most upside, but not reaching it)

Mathurin
Griffin (injuries being a big risk)
Davis
Branham
Sochan

Mark Williams
Duren
Agbaji

Banchero
Keegan
Gui Santos (see upside for more but shooting)
Dalen Terry (see upside for a lot more but shooting)

Koloko
Jalen Williams
Barlow

Ivey has really high bust potential to me while having high upside potential too. I expect to see him drafted ahead of Davis but they should be considered pretty close, much closer than they are being mocked broadly. The reaction BBIQ Davis has lets him be a good defender, it lets him enter the midrange with a live dribble, I don't see this in Ivey, I don't think he thinks or reacts fast enough. I would personally choose a isolation+D wing over a straight line speed demon in the modern NBA.

Chet to me is the guy Magic should take, try build your offense through him. I think he will surprise a bit with his midrange shooting in the NBA. If you can make him a key cog in an offense like Draymond but with better shooting then you have your #1 guy.

I'm very high on Smith too. Chet and him are top 2 and I can't split them. Banchero I think is going to be like a Tobias Harris level player, decent and can do a lot of everything but limited to a 4 on defense that can't cover much outside of the 4.

I like Sochan too and expect him to go top 10. Like Lofton too, he will be good value.

[Big J]

Ivey does not have high bust potential. He’s got elite athleticism and burst. The ability to draw help defenders any time you please will always translate in the NBA.

[Big J]

Beauchamp vs Dieng- why is Dieng rated higher here ? ....similar players Dieng taller but he has the classic euro Batum look...going to be a ceiling to his offense. Beauchamp has alot more explosive ability in his game imo

Completely different players. Dieng has the ability to actually run the PnR and be a good passer, he has more upside on defense (if he hits it) due to his size and weak-side help instincts, and he's a lot younger (that matters a lot!) – so there's more hope, for instance, that he'll become a solid-to-good shooter eventually and generally has more opportunities to unlock his game.

I always say "who is better at what they do". Just 1 elite skill translates, .that's why I don't like Murray I watch the games and don't even notice him sometimes nothing stands out he does great it's like invisible stats......Beauchamp has that 1 elite translatable skill and it's his athleticism and slashing ability who besides Ivey is can match him ? I don't think ogbagi can touch beauchamp slashing off the dribble. ...When I think of Beachamp and Ivey I think of Wade coming out, that elite ability to get to the rim translates.

His defensive potential is possibly more valuable then Dieng because the best scorers are guards and this man can move his feet and can explode athletically with the elite guards.

Dieng to me doesn't have an elite translatable skillset besides passing but he's not a point guard. He does have some good handles, he can move, he's built like Lemelo out there...but he doesn't have much explosion...he's like a mix between Batum, Kyle anderson, and Lemelo......If he's going against a twitchy strong defender he isn't going to finish. He can't post and he can't hit a 3

Dieng can be solid rotational player, not a star. Kind of like Batum....... I think Beauchamp has a much higher ceiling.

Right there with you on Beauchamp man. I think people are just scared of his age. Lot of teams are going to look dumb for passing him up.

[clyde21]

I never see Malaki Branham and Johnny Davis compared even though Malaki plays the more complete version of that same "tough shot" midrange style. Malaki couples it with three point range while Johnny Davis doesn't have much range. Johnny Davis began the season as a top 5 pick all over the place, but quietly Malaki has closed ground and they both are regarded as lottery picks outside of the top 5.

Davis didn't begin top5 at all, in fact he was widely unknown until he started dropping 20 and 30 bombs on everyone.

i have Davis/Ivey pretty much in the same range, my biggest issue is I don't see how Ivey's getting so much hype as a top5 selection and Davis isn't (i dont think either really is top5 in a perfect scenario). there seems to be disconnect there, unless people are just widely overrating Ivey's speed which is definitely a +, but does it overshadow everything else?

[clyde21]

I never see Malaki Branham and Johnny Davis compared even though Malaki plays the more complete version of that same "tough shot" midrange style. Malaki couples it with three point range while Johnny Davis doesn't have much range. Johnny Davis began the season as a top 5 pick all over the place, but quietly Malaki has closed ground and they both are regarded as lottery picks outside of the top 5.

Malaki passes the look test Johnny Davis doesn't. ........Johnny Davis looks like he's Devin Harris height not 6-5 ..anyone else notice this ,how is branham listed same height as Davis ??

Davis gets off the bus and you wonder how is this guy gonna get his shot off ? ....Ivey is way better athletically. Branham is way longer, but Davis is just more polished knows how to get a shot. The question for Johnny Davis supporters is he as athletic as Devin Booker who is his comp ?

If he is couple inches shorter he is ryan boatwright.....I think if he busts it's going to be athleticism but not counting Johnny Davis off though because the few inches he does have enables him to get away with playing like a smaller guard. if he's 6 foot 3 he would struggle

uhh, we have official measurements for both and Davis measured in taller than Branham.

Davis is 6-4.25 without shoes
Branham is 6-4 flat without shoes

[tundraknight]

Finally Draft day is upon us and the suspense will be over in terms of who goes where.

[SelfishPlayer]

I never see Malaki Branham and Johnny Davis compared even though Malaki plays the more complete version of that same "tough shot" midrange style. Malaki couples it with three point range while Johnny Davis doesn't have much range. Johnny Davis began the season as a top 5 pick all over the place, but quietly Malaki has closed ground and they both are regarded as lottery picks outside of the top 5.

Malaki passes the look test Johnny Davis doesn't. ........Johnny Davis looks like he's Devin Harris height not 6-5 ..anyone else notice this ,how is branham listed same height as Davis ??

Davis gets off the bus and you wonder how is this guy gonna get his shot off ? ....Ivey is way better athletically. Branham is way longer, but Davis is just more polished knows how to get a shot. The question for Johnny Davis supporters is he as athletic as Devin Booker who is his comp ?

If he is couple inches shorter he is ryan boatwright.....I think if he busts it's going to be athleticism but not counting Johnny Davis off though because the few inches he does have enables him to get away with playing like a smaller guard. if he's 6 foot 3 he would struggle

People talk about Johnny Davis as if he's some sort of underdog. He has team USA u19 pedigree:

[CptCrunch]

Looks like Paolo is going first.

Sport books are covering today and/or big bets has been placed on Paolo.

Paolo is now favorite to go first according to Vegas.

[The Moose]

Looks like Paolo is going first.

Sport books are covering today and/or big bets has been placed on Paolo.

Paolo is now favorite to go first according to Vegas.

yep, shift has been wild. Somebody must have leaked inside info

[SelfishPlayer]

As for Ivey's midrange, see TYRESE Maxey's floater game in the midrange. This is how superfast smaller guards are scoring when not getting all the way to the rim or shooting threes. Tyrese Maxey actually entered the NBA with a floater and Doc Rivers had to coach him to go all the way to the basket more.

[clyde21]

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[K_chile22]

Looks like Paolo is going first.

Sport books are covering today and/or big bets has been placed on Paolo.

Paolo is now favorite to go first according to Vegas.

yep, shift has been wild. Somebody must have leaked inside info

Or a ton of money is coming in for Paolo similar to what happened during the election when trump went up like -700