Marvin Bagley

[D J C]

who knows what marvin bagley will become. some of these guys are so good, its easy to forget they are 18/19 and are small percentage of what they could potentially become. name a current weakness of Bagley's, he's so damn young it could very easily be a strength by the time he's 24. all of his main weaknesses are things that can be improved. He's a good bet because he has a high floor due to his athleticism and motor. at the very least, he's a rich man's Tristan Thompson. At best he becomes 38% 3pt shooter and a defender who can switch 1 thru 5 and turns out to be a rich man's Chris Bosh - and that's a GREAT player.

So Kevin Garnett?

I agree with you, kid has great potential and a high floor of being at least being a starting quality role player i.e. Kenneth Faried with a jumpshot.

[Duke4life831]

Bagley isn't getting plays called for him at this stage of his career. He is like Varejao + Faried + Noah combined. Double the sum of their potential and you get Bagley. Bagley has GOAT garbageman potential. That is his NBA position. Put backs and lobs only.

Trying to mold into a first option is going to be a fail. Bagley in my opinion is eventually going to be a third option blue guy kind of player. This is what I don't care that he can only finish with lefts on drives.

Interesting. I don't follow NCAA at all so I have no idea what to expect of him.
Is that the consensus about Bagley or just your projection?
Also, he seems to be consistently mocked in the top 5 (with a lot of sites having him a #2), is it worth it for an elite garbageman in this draft? I though there are quite a few potential franchise players in this one.

Lets be real here. Before the draft lottery, there were a lot of potential franchise guys...Ayton, MPJ, Bagley, and Doncic, but since the draft lottery, this draft has virtually turned to boo boo. All the top picks are being picked apart about their defense, which is laughable, because no one in the NBA really plays defense and ALL top picks are drafted for their offense. If these guys were coming out with top offense and defense they would be HOF'er type players. Tatum was thrown to the wolves on defense, such an easy target on young players.

If your team is in the top 4-5 of this draft, you see possible franchise type talent, if your team isn't, you see high flawed meh players with no chance of becoming franchise talent. And since the smaller market teams have the top picks this year, its more meh posts. Phoenix Sacramento Atlanta Memphis

Last year, with Philly Boston and LA having top picks the conversation was a different story, draft hype was incredible. IMO these players have much more potential than last year's crop.

I dont think its too uncommon for the top guys to get nitpicked at this time of the year. This is the time we usually see the top guys get nitpicked while the 2nd tier guys start getting a lot more love. With that said I do think Ayton and Bagley are seeing a really high level of nitpicking.

Im looking at them with the view point of we had a 19 year old that is 7'1 with a 7'4 wingspan that is a tremendous athlete that just blocked 2.5 shots per game in conference play in Ayton.

We also have an 18 year old that is 6'11 that is the definition of a freak athlete, the dude runs and moves around like he is a guard. Then when diving into his defensive stats:
0.79 ppp for his overall defense (74th percentile)
0.85 ppp for his spot up defense (69th percentile)
0.56 ppp for his isolation defense (83rd percentile)
0.46 ppp for his post-up defense (96th percentile)

Now Im not stating that he is a stud defender, but with his motor and work ethic + athleticism, I think he has a good base to improve on defensively. Ya hes going to have to get smarter, but that will come with experience. So its not like he doesnt have the physical tools or has major motor problems. I think a lot of it is just a lack of being asked and being coached defense throughout his career so far. Again not stating hes going to be a DPOY player, but I think he has the makings to be a positive defensive player, mix that with his rebounding and scoring, thats a scary combination.

[doordoor123]

****, I love the stuff he’s saying. Im taking him 1 now. Not really sold on Ayton anyway

[GimmeDat]

****, I love the stuff he’s saying. Im taking him 1 now. Not really sold on Ayton anyway

What's he been saying? I haven't seen a peep about his predraft stuff.

[doordoor123]

****, I love the stuff he’s saying. Im taking him 1 now. Not really sold on Ayton anyway

What's he been saying? I haven't seen a peep about his predraft stuff.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23737698/deandre-ayton-draft-prediction-disrespectful

[CptCrunch]

****, I love the stuff he’s saying. Im taking him 1 now. Not really sold on Ayton anyway

What's he been saying? I haven't seen a peep about his predraft stuff.

Video link please

Interesting. I don't follow NCAA at all so I have no idea what to expect of him.
Is that the consensus about Bagley or just your projection?
Also, he seems to be consistently mocked in the top 5 (with a lot of sites having him a #2), is it worth it for an elite garbageman in this draft? I though there are quite a few potential franchise players in this one.

Lets be real here. Before the draft lottery, there were a lot of potential franchise guys...Ayton, MPJ, Bagley, and Doncic, but since the draft lottery, this draft has virtually turned to boo boo. All the top picks are being picked apart about their defense, which is laughable, because no one in the NBA really plays defense and ALL top picks are drafted for their offense. If these guys were coming out with top offense and defense they would be HOF'er type players. Tatum was thrown to the wolves on defense, such an easy target on young players.

If your team is in the top 4-5 of this draft, you see possible franchise type talent, if your team isn't, you see high flawed meh players with no chance of becoming franchise talent. And since the smaller market teams have the top picks this year, its more meh posts. Phoenix Sacramento Atlanta Memphis

Last year, with Philly Boston and LA having top picks the conversation was a different story, draft hype was incredible. IMO these players have much more potential than last year's crop.

I dont think its too uncommon for the top guys to get nitpicked at this time of the year. This is the time we usually see the top guys get nitpicked while the 2nd tier guys start getting a lot more love. With that said I do think Ayton and Bagley are seeing a really high level of nitpicking.

Im looking at them with the view point of we had a 19 year old that is 7'1 with a 7'4 wingspan that is a tremendous athlete that just blocked 2.5 shots per game in conference play in Ayton.

We also have an 18 year old that is 6'11 that is the definition of a freak athlete, the dude runs and moves around like he is a guard. Then when diving into his defensive stats:
0.79 ppp for his overall defense (74th percentile)
0.85 ppp for his spot up defense (69th percentile)
0.56 ppp for his isolation defense (83rd percentile)
0.46 ppp for his post-up defense (96th percentile)

Now Im not stating that he is a stud defender, but with his motor and work ethic + athleticism, I think he has a good base to improve on defensively. Ya hes going to have to get smarter, but that will come with experience. So its not like he doesnt have the physical tools or has major motor problems. I think a lot of it is just a lack of being asked and being coached defense throughout his career so far. Again not stating hes going to be a DPOY player, but I think he has the makings to be a positive defensive player, mix that with his rebounding and scoring, thats a scary combination.

Where are you pulling these stats?

[scrabbarista]

****, I love the stuff he’s saying. Im taking him 1 now. Not really sold on Ayton anyway

Still have him #2 behind Doncic.

When a guy plays like Bagley, what he says off the court is secondary. I'm usually pretty big on interviews, psych evaluations, reputation, etc., but sometimes you can see it pretty clearly on the court, and I think Bagley is one of those times. I agree, though: definitely not sold on Ayton.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I like how Bagley has the ability to rebound and bring the ball up the court. That's pretty cool for a big.

[doordoor123]

I like how Bagley has the ability to rebound and bring the ball up the court. That's pretty cool for a big.

He’s also one of the best offensive rebounding bigs I’ve seen as a college freshman. And he’s still skinny. Imagine what kind of player he’s going to be when his body matures.

[JMac1]

I'm sold on Ayton Bagley Bamba Doncic and Trae...

[Nazrmohamed]

who knows what marvin bagley will become. some of these guys are so good, its easy to forget they are 18/19 and are small percentage of what they could potentially become. name a current weakness of Bagley's, he's so damn young it could very easily be a strength by the time he's 24. all of his main weaknesses are things that can be improved. He's a good bet because he has a high floor due to his athleticism and motor. at the very least, he's a rich man's Tristan Thompson. At best he becomes 38% 3pt shooter and a defender who can switch 1 thru 5 and turns out to be a rich man's Chris Bosh - and that's a GREAT player.

So Kevin Garnett?

I agree with you, kid has great potential and a high floor of being at least being a starting quality role player i.e. Kenneth Faried with a jumpshot.

He's probably way higher than starting quantity role player. I think he's a primary finisher in most teams. And I say finisher with the mindset that his PG will probably be the guy setting things up very similar to an Amare where he can put up all-star numbers but there must be some kindve Nash.

[nolang1]

He's a good bet because he has a high floor due to his athleticism and motor. at the very least, he's a rich man's Tristan Thompson. At best he becomes 38% 3pt shooter and a defender who can switch 1 thru 5 and turns out to be a rich man's Chris Bosh - and that's a GREAT player.

With Tristan Thompson, you are playing 4 on 5 on offense at times (and when he's getting the team 5+ extra possessions with offensive rebounds it's worth it). Thompson gets an offensive rebound his first instinct is to try to reset the offense; the other team knows he's not going to do much even if he does get one. Even if Bagley's outside shot doesn't develop, he's enough of a finisher that from day 1 the defense will have to pay more attention to him to prevent him from getting the ball close to the basket.

[kobyz]

Am I crazy to see in him the second coming of James Worthy??

[Duke4life831]

Not that I think it means anything really. But ESPN's analytic projections are out and has Bagley the most likely to be an all Star and one of the lowest bust potential as well.

Again I don't read too much into this stuff, just thought it was worth wasting a couple minutes of my time to prop up the guy I have #1 haha.

[nolang1]

It does strike me as weird that more numbers-oriented people don't have Bagley over Ayton at least. The two players' stats were very similar with Bagley being younger and playing against better competition in college. The Pac-12 was almost at a mid-major level this year; regular season and conference tournament champion Arizona was the only team to make the round of 64.

[HeadtopChunes]

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

[King Ken]

It does strike me as weird that more numbers-oriented people don't have Bagley over Ayton at least. The two players' stats were very similar with Bagley being younger and playing against better competition in college. The Pac-12 was almost at a mid-major level this year; regular season and conference tournament champion Arizona was the only team to make the round of 64.

Bagley doesn't look the part and anyone with quickness and speed looks fast to the average guy at the NCAA level, Bagley insane athletic ability doesn't look as insane as it actually is as the level is just to low to really see the difference. At the NBA level, then it becomes clear, DAMN, he's fast as heck!

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?

[HeadtopChunes]

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?[/quote]


Oh no Bagley was consistent but my opinion of him has been anything but. Theres clearly a ton of potential there but his question marks do concern me. Im just not sure how to evaluate just how good he can be

[King Ken]

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?

BOh no Bagley was consistent but my opinion of him has been anything but. Theres clearly a ton of potential there but his question marks do concern me. Im just not sure how to evaluate just how good he can be

Huh?

[E-Balla]

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?

BOh no Bagley was consistent but my opinion of him has been anything but. Theres clearly a ton of potential there but his question marks do concern me. Im just not sure how to evaluate just how good he can be

Huh?

Basically he's not up and down on Bagley because of his play but because he doesn't know what to make of his play. I've been saying all year Bagley is AD, Oden, Rose, KD, and Simmons level to me but others can't make up their minds on a player that's so raw with o much hustle and athletic ability despite playing the game so much. What many don't know is that because Bagley almost exclusively played just with his HS team and moved up a class he's 100-200 games behind most other guys his age. His rawness makes sense when you realize he's two or maybe even 3 years behind everyone else in terms of in game experience.