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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1061 » by Stillwater » Thu Jun 4, 2020 12:07 am

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Post#1062 » by Nazrmohamed » Thu Jun 4, 2020 12:12 am

getrichordie wrote:Here's my list of UDFA. Anyone on here that you definitely (100%) thinks get drafted?

Spoiler:
Joel Ayayi (20.3) -- 1/2
Matt Mitchell (21.3) -- 3/sb4
Nick Weatherspoon Jr. (21.5) -- 1
Kahlil Whitney (19.5) -- 2/3
Saben Lee (21.2) -- 1
Dexter Dennis (21.3) - 2/3
Jared Savage (23.3) -- 2/3
Cassius Winston (22.2) -- 1
Reggie Perry (20.2) -- sb5/4*
Naji Marshall (22.5) -- 3/4
CJ Elleby (20.1) -- 3
Isaiah Joe (20.9) -- 2
Udoka Azubuike (20.7) -- 5
Kaleb Wesson (20.8) -- 5
Ashton Hagans (20.9) -- 1
Payton Pritchard (22.3) -- 1
Cassius Stanley (20.8) -- 2/3
Josh Hall (19.8) -- 2/3
Keith Williams (22.0) -- 2/3
John Petty Jr. (21.5) -- 2/3
Immanuel Quickley (20.9) -- 2
Derrick Alston Jr. (22.9) -- 4/sb5
Lamine Diane (22.5) -- 3/4
Isiaha Mike (22.8) -- 4/sb5
Jordan Nwora (21.7) -- sb4/3
Ibi Watson (22.5) -- 2
Jonah Mathews (22.5) -- 1
Skylar Mays (22.5) -- 1/2
Makur Maker (19.7) -- 5
Nate Darling (21.8) -- 2


My favorites to possibly go drafted are Dennis, Lee, and Winston. Really intrigued by Mitchell, Savage, and Whitney as potential UDFA pick ups.


Cassius Winston and I don't even know why he's on this list. He's a solid shooter and just knows how to play. I never doubt a Tom Izzo player. Very rarely are they stars but they are almost routinely nba ready and solid. I think he's going in the top 10 picks of the 2nd round.

I like Payton Pritchard too. I think in a weak draft upperclassman don't look so bad if you want plug and play guys off the bench.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1063 » by RiotPunch » Thu Jun 4, 2020 12:46 am

getrichordie wrote:Here's my list of UDFA. Anyone on here that you definitely (100%) thinks get drafted?

Spoiler:
Joel Ayayi (20.3) -- 1/2
Matt Mitchell (21.3) -- 3/sb4
Nick Weatherspoon Jr. (21.5) -- 1
Kahlil Whitney (19.5) -- 2/3
Saben Lee (21.2) -- 1
Dexter Dennis (21.3) - 2/3
Jared Savage (23.3) -- 2/3
Cassius Winston (22.2) -- 1
Reggie Perry (20.2) -- sb5/4*
Naji Marshall (22.5) -- 3/4
CJ Elleby (20.1) -- 3
Isaiah Joe (20.9) -- 2
Udoka Azubuike (20.7) -- 5
Kaleb Wesson (20.8) -- 5
Ashton Hagans (20.9) -- 1
Payton Pritchard (22.3) -- 1
Cassius Stanley (20.8) -- 2/3
Josh Hall (19.8) -- 2/3
Keith Williams (22.0) -- 2/3
John Petty Jr. (21.5) -- 2/3
Immanuel Quickley (20.9) -- 2
Derrick Alston Jr. (22.9) -- 4/sb5
Lamine Diane (22.5) -- 3/4
Isiaha Mike (22.8) -- 4/sb5
Jordan Nwora (21.7) -- sb4/3
Ibi Watson (22.5) -- 2
Jonah Mathews (22.5) -- 1
Skylar Mays (22.5) -- 1/2
Makur Maker (19.7) -- 5
Nate Darling (21.8) -- 2


My favorites to possibly go drafted are Dennis, Lee, and Winston. Really intrigued by Mitchell, Savage, and Whitney as potential UDFA pick ups.


Hard to say with the mainstream being so at variance with draftniks and the like, but I would personally be very surprised if Isaiah Joe and Skylar Mays go undrafted.

Based on mainstream, guys like both Cassius', Hagans and Azubuike likely get picked. One-dimensional guys like Nwora, Quickley should go undrafted, but probably won't.

Predicting anything with 100% confidence in this draft would be lying though.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1064 » by Roddy B for 3 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 6:57 am

This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1065 » by getrichordie » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:30 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.


Fox. Don't think he was seen as a top 5 pick *lock*. Not by all anyway.

But it's kind of a weird question, because it's not often you see a player with Hampton's blend of size, speed, and athleticism playing the point. Remember, he was ranked the 6th best HS recruit in his class (just like Fox).

Reggie Jackson kind of fits that mold. Maybe Lavine and Murray (Dejounte)?

Fun fact: Westbrook was a 3-star recruit in his class and wasn't even ranked on Rivals.
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Post#1066 » by Roddy B for 3 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 8:25 am

getrichordie wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.


Fox. Don't think he was seen as a top 5 pick *lock*. Not by all anyway.

But it's kind of a weird question, because it's not often you see a player with Hampton's blend of size, speed, and athleticism playing the point. Remember, he was ranked the 6th best HS recruit in his class (just like Fox).

Reggie Jackson kind of fits that mold. Maybe Lavine and Murray (Dejounte)?

Fun fact: Westbrook was a 3-star recruit in his class and wasn't even ranked on Rivals.


I remember Fox being VERY much in the top 5 pick disscussion.

Lavine isn't a PG and RJax or Dejounte might qualify for above average, but that's it, at best.

I don't remember RJax or Dejounte as prospects were they all athletisim prospects? Dejounte had to be seen as a great defensive PG, no?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1067 » by getrichordie » Thu Jun 4, 2020 8:38 am

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getrichordie wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.


Fox. Don't think he was seen as a top 5 pick *lock*. Not by all anyway.

But it's kind of a weird question, because it's not often you see a player with Hampton's blend of size, speed, and athleticism playing the point. Remember, he was ranked the 6th best HS recruit in his class (just like Fox).

Reggie Jackson kind of fits that mold. Maybe Lavine and Murray (Dejounte)?

Fun fact: Westbrook was a 3-star recruit in his class and wasn't even ranked on Rivals.


I remember Fox being VERY much in the top 5 pick disscussion.

Lavine isn't a PG and RJax or Dejounte might qualify for above average, but that's it, at best.

I don't remember RJax or Dejounte as prospects were they all athletisim prospects? Dejounte had to be seen as a great defensive PG, no?


Yeah, defense was DJM's calling card but so was athleticism.

Jackson was definitely athleticism.

Fox was in discussion, but wouldn't call him a lock.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1068 » by No-Man » Thu Jun 4, 2020 9:23 am

Ayayi is coming back to school

as for the others it's a mix of knowing where to look and how to read clues (when dudes are all year long top40 for Givony they are always getting drafted etc)+insight from NBA sources, and honestly just having followed the draft for ages now, it's easy to see the patterns of who gets picked and who doesn't, and Perry, Stanley, Quickley, Winston just are so obviously getting drafted

Perry did well for USAB, highly ranked all throughout HS, productive in college, modern 4, physically ready, has special skills at 6-10 almost
Stanley is old and I don't buy upside much, but he is also highly ranked, NBA athlete, blue blood and productive, can shoot it
Quickley by all accounts is a terrific guy to get for your team and Cal is like 1000% selling him hard from what I heard, can shoot it, has size, all accolades in HS and did more play-making there too
Winston has just been ranked up there for anyone all year, strong story, character, special shooter with vision who has a meh body but has a clear floor, will get picked (look at Brunson, Graham and a long etc of PGs)

The others I mentioned are less sure but still highly likely, the NBA likes Nwora and Hagans for some reason, Joe has a special skillset and Elleby is just good I don't like Dok much but the NBA always keeps bigs who are good enough to make a roster in their radar for better or for worse, it would likely depend with him on if he values being picked in the 50s more or less than going udfa and deciding where to go
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Post#1069 » by No-Man » Thu Jun 4, 2020 9:24 am

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getrichordie wrote:Here's my list of UDFA. Anyone on here that you definitely (100%) thinks get drafted?

Spoiler:
Joel Ayayi (20.3) -- 1/2
Matt Mitchell (21.3) -- 3/sb4
Nick Weatherspoon Jr. (21.5) -- 1
Kahlil Whitney (19.5) -- 2/3
Saben Lee (21.2) -- 1
Dexter Dennis (21.3) - 2/3
Jared Savage (23.3) -- 2/3
Cassius Winston (22.2) -- 1
Reggie Perry (20.2) -- sb5/4*
Naji Marshall (22.5) -- 3/4
CJ Elleby (20.1) -- 3
Isaiah Joe (20.9) -- 2
Udoka Azubuike (20.7) -- 5
Kaleb Wesson (20.8) -- 5
Ashton Hagans (20.9) -- 1
Payton Pritchard (22.3) -- 1
Cassius Stanley (20.8) -- 2/3
Josh Hall (19.8) -- 2/3
Keith Williams (22.0) -- 2/3
John Petty Jr. (21.5) -- 2/3
Immanuel Quickley (20.9) -- 2
Derrick Alston Jr. (22.9) -- 4/sb5
Lamine Diane (22.5) -- 3/4
Isiaha Mike (22.8) -- 4/sb5
Jordan Nwora (21.7) -- sb4/3
Ibi Watson (22.5) -- 2
Jonah Mathews (22.5) -- 1
Skylar Mays (22.5) -- 1/2
Makur Maker (19.7) -- 5
Nate Darling (21.8) -- 2


My favorites to possibly go drafted are Dennis, Lee, and Winston. Really intrigued by Mitchell, Savage, and Whitney as potential UDFA pick ups.


Hard to say with the mainstream being so at variance with draftniks and the like, but I would personally be very surprised if Isaiah Joe and Skylar Mays go undrafted.

Based on mainstream, guys like both Cassius', Hagans and Azubuike likely get picked. One-dimensional guys like Nwora, Quickley should go undrafted, but probably won't.

Predicting anything with 100% confidence in this draft would be lying though.


I think it's likely that Mays goes udfa
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1070 » by RiotPunch » Thu Jun 4, 2020 10:12 am

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getrichordie wrote:Here's my list of UDFA. Anyone on here that you definitely (100%) thinks get drafted?

Spoiler:
Joel Ayayi (20.3) -- 1/2
Matt Mitchell (21.3) -- 3/sb4
Nick Weatherspoon Jr. (21.5) -- 1
Kahlil Whitney (19.5) -- 2/3
Saben Lee (21.2) -- 1
Dexter Dennis (21.3) - 2/3
Jared Savage (23.3) -- 2/3
Cassius Winston (22.2) -- 1
Reggie Perry (20.2) -- sb5/4*
Naji Marshall (22.5) -- 3/4
CJ Elleby (20.1) -- 3
Isaiah Joe (20.9) -- 2
Udoka Azubuike (20.7) -- 5
Kaleb Wesson (20.8) -- 5
Ashton Hagans (20.9) -- 1
Payton Pritchard (22.3) -- 1
Cassius Stanley (20.8) -- 2/3
Josh Hall (19.8) -- 2/3
Keith Williams (22.0) -- 2/3
John Petty Jr. (21.5) -- 2/3
Immanuel Quickley (20.9) -- 2
Derrick Alston Jr. (22.9) -- 4/sb5
Lamine Diane (22.5) -- 3/4
Isiaha Mike (22.8) -- 4/sb5
Jordan Nwora (21.7) -- sb4/3
Ibi Watson (22.5) -- 2
Jonah Mathews (22.5) -- 1
Skylar Mays (22.5) -- 1/2
Makur Maker (19.7) -- 5
Nate Darling (21.8) -- 2


My favorites to possibly go drafted are Dennis, Lee, and Winston. Really intrigued by Mitchell, Savage, and Whitney as potential UDFA pick ups.


Hard to say with the mainstream being so at variance with draftniks and the like, but I would personally be very surprised if Isaiah Joe and Skylar Mays go undrafted.

Based on mainstream, guys like both Cassius', Hagans and Azubuike likely get picked. One-dimensional guys like Nwora, Quickley should go undrafted, but probably won't.

Predicting anything with 100% confidence in this draft would be lying though.


I think it's likely that Mays goes udfa

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1071 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 1:08 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.


Fox. Don't think he was seen as a top 5 pick *lock*. Not by all anyway.

But it's kind of a weird question, because it's not often you see a player with Hampton's blend of size, speed, and athleticism playing the point. Remember, he was ranked the 6th best HS recruit in his class (just like Fox).

Reggie Jackson kind of fits that mold. Maybe Lavine and Murray (Dejounte)?

Fun fact: Westbrook was a 3-star recruit in his class and wasn't even ranked on Rivals.


I'd add Dennis Schroder to the list
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Post#1072 » by TheSuzerain » Thu Jun 4, 2020 2:25 pm

Is it perhaps fair to say that RJ Hampton hurt his stock by going abroad?

I have to think that he's an easy top 10 guy in the alternative reality where he goes to Kansas. Would have been a starter on the #1 team in the nation.
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Post#1073 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:51 pm

getrichordie wrote:Here's my list of UDFA. Anyone on here that you definitely (100%) thinks get drafted?

Spoiler:
Joel Ayayi (20.3) -- 1/2
Matt Mitchell (21.3) -- 3/sb4
Nick Weatherspoon Jr. (21.5) -- 1
Kahlil Whitney (19.5) -- 2/3
Saben Lee (21.2) -- 1
Dexter Dennis (21.3) - 2/3
Jared Savage (23.3) -- 2/3
Cassius Winston (22.2) -- 1
Reggie Perry (20.2) -- sb5/4*
Naji Marshall (22.5) -- 3/4
CJ Elleby (20.1) -- 3
Isaiah Joe (20.9) -- 2
Udoka Azubuike (20.7) -- 5
Kaleb Wesson (20.8) -- 5
Ashton Hagans (20.9) -- 1
Payton Pritchard (22.3) -- 1
Cassius Stanley (20.8) -- 2/3
Josh Hall (19.8) -- 2/3
Keith Williams (22.0) -- 2/3
John Petty Jr. (21.5) -- 2/3
Immanuel Quickley (20.9) -- 2
Derrick Alston Jr. (22.9) -- 4/sb5
Lamine Diane (22.5) -- 3/4
Isiaha Mike (22.8) -- 4/sb5
Jordan Nwora (21.7) -- sb4/3
Ibi Watson (22.5) -- 2
Jonah Mathews (22.5) -- 1
Skylar Mays (22.5) -- 1/2
Makur Maker (19.7) -- 5
Nate Darling (21.8) -- 2


My favorites to possibly go drafted are Dennis, Lee, and Winston. Really intrigued by Mitchell, Savage, and Whitney as potential UDFA pick ups.


Perry, Stanley, Nwora, Quickley, Pritchard all should be drafted. Whitney, Hagans, Elleby, Mays are likely to get drafted, imo.

As for potential UFAs, I'd be interested in Mane, Scrub, Pons and Merrill.
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Post#1074 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:53 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Is it perhaps fair to say that RJ Hampton hurt his stock by going abroad?

I have to think that he's an easy top 10 guy in the alternative reality where he goes to Kansas. Would have been a starter on the #1 team in the nation.


He's a guy who is likely to rise in workouts depending on his shooting.
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Post#1075 » by KillMonger » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:00 pm

i may have missed it but what is the consensus on Jay Scrubb? 2nd rounder with 1st round talent?
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Post#1076 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:14 pm

KillMonger wrote:i may have missed it but what is the consensus on Jay Scrubb? 2nd rounder with 1st round talent?


he's top 20 for me, one of my top 3 or 4 sleepers overall.
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Post#1077 » by getrichordie » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:17 pm

KillMonger wrote:i may have missed it but what is the consensus on Jay Scrubb? 2nd rounder with 1st round talent?


Consensus is he is a late 2nd round pick up. He’s got good size and athleticism for a 2-guard but hasn’t shown enough offensively to warrant a higher selection. I like him a whole lot more than Stanley.

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Just look at these defensive numbers.

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Post#1078 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 4, 2020 11:27 pm

KillMonger wrote:i may have missed it but what is the consensus on Jay Scrubb? 2nd rounder with 1st round talent?


I think he's a better player than Miye Oni last season. The Juco competition is only a bit less than the Ivy League. I could see him go 45 -55 range right now. He's also younger than Oni. Workouts could really help him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1079 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Jun 5, 2020 3:06 am

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getrichordie wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:This is an RJ Hampton post.

Who's the last PG who's far and away main selling point was his athletisim, that wasn't seen as a top 5 pick lock was ever even an above average starter?

The guys a DFW product, I like him and hope he successeds but drafting a PG based on raw athletisim that isn't universally a lotto pick, in the lottory almost never works out, at least from my recollection.

Westbrook was a surprise #4, Tony Parker was a late 1st, Bledsoe and Rondo we're both early 20's picks those are the only hits I remember from the description I gave. And the most recent was about ten years ago. Maybe Patrick Beverly or Jeff Trague qualify here.


Fox. Don't think he was seen as a top 5 pick *lock*. Not by all anyway.

But it's kind of a weird question, because it's not often you see a player with Hampton's blend of size, speed, and athleticism playing the point. Remember, he was ranked the 6th best HS recruit in his class (just like Fox).

Reggie Jackson kind of fits that mold. Maybe Lavine and Murray (Dejounte)?

Fun fact: Westbrook was a 3-star recruit in his class and wasn't even ranked on Rivals.


I'd add Dennis Schroder to the list


Above average is at worst top 14, when was Schroeder top 14?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#1080 » by Catchall » Fri Jun 5, 2020 6:02 am

I'm coming around to the conclusion that RJ Hampton is being a bit underrated in the draft discussion. I think he should go ahead of Anthony and Maxey and would be justified in the top 10.

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