Trae Young

[Stillwater]

If he can show that he can gain strenght I would pick him 2-3. Yeah he will be a liability on D but that O will be really hard to come by from any PG in the near future drafts. People have to much Iseah Thomas bias now. If any guard can replicate his O from last season bad D or not he is a top 3-4 guy in nearly evry draft.

People got to much into analysing players D from a perspective that LeBron will attack that player. IT was good enough to get past Chicago with Butler and Wizards with Beal and Wall. Trae Young will be just fine in the NBA.

Young played one year at Oklahoma, shot 42% from the field and 36% from 3 and beyond = not elite shooter.
Curry played three years at Davidson, shooting 47% from the field and 41% from deep.
Granted he is also a high level passer etc, just don't see the shoe in as an elite level prospect with the high usage padding his numbers

[WalterBenjamin]

Young played one year at Oklahoma, shot 42% from the field and 36% from 3 and beyond = not elite shooter.
Curry played three years at Davidson, shooting 47% from the field and 41% from deep.
Granted he is also a high level passer etc, just don't see the shoe in as an elite level prospect with the high usage padding his numbers

Curry had a more conservative shoot selection you have to remember. Young was doubleteamed 50 percent more than Curry.

[RookieStar]

*sigh* im folloqing tgis thread because it looks like my team will pick him followibg our craptastic luck in the lotto

Let me guess, you were in the Doncic or bust group?

Bagley/Doncic or bust

[Shady Franchise]

*sigh* im folloqing tgis thread because it looks like my team will pick him followibg our craptastic luck in the lotto

Let me guess, you were in the Doncic or bust group?

Bagley/Doncic or bust

Well I was right there with you, until last night happened.

[RookieStar]

Let me guess, you were in the Doncic or bust group?

Bagley/Doncic or bust

Well I was right there with you, until last night happened.

Being a Magic fan.. where dreams get routinely crushed

Seriously though, there is still hope for Bagley with trades or whatever. Keeping the dream alive.

[RookieStar]

If he can show that he can gain strenght I would pick him 2-3. Yeah he will be a liability on D but that O will be really hard to come by from any PG in the near future drafts. People have to much Iseah Thomas bias now. If any guard can replicate his O from last season bad D or not he is a top 3-4 guy in nearly evry draft.

People got to much into analysing players D from a perspective that LeBron will attack that player. IT was good enough to get past Chicago with Butler and Wizards with Beal and Wall. Trae Young will be just fine in the NBA.

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

To be fair, we always get this period of time where " ( insert player X ) either ( a. gaines X amount of muscles b. lose X amount of fats) or ( increast X amount on inches in height ) "

Let's just wait for the draft combine ( assuming he joins ) and see. As a Magic fan yourself, you surely have experienced Meer being 5'10 but listed at 6'0 right? LOL I wanna know if that 6'2 height of his is really in barefeet or shoes.

[Skybox]

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

As a Magic fan, I’m concerned too. I don’t know why everyone has Bagley pencilled in for ATL...they already have a non-shooting, run and jump, pogo stick guy in Collins. Also looks like Schroeder is halfway out the door.

[Dr Positivity]

What do you guys think of his turnovers? They are insanely high, but a lot of it a natural process of averaging 31 points and 10 assists per 36 minutes?

[EvanZ]

What do you guys think of his turnovers? They are insanely high, but a lot of it a natural process of averaging 31 points and 10 assists per 36 minutes?

Doesn't bother me at all.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

What do you guys think of his turnovers? They are insanely high, but a lot of it a natural process of averaging 31 points and 10 assists per 36 minutes?

Have to look at the types of turnovers. Were they in open play where he's feeding his teammate who fumbled it away, were they when he was bringing the ball up the court and got stripped, did he force a pass when he got stuck with a double. I watched a ton of Oklahoma games and seemed like there was a mix of those scenarios. IMO there are turnovers you are ok with and can correct and then there's the careless ones.

[RollingWave]

What do you guys think of his turnovers? They are insanely high, but a lot of it a natural process of averaging 31 points and 10 assists per 36 minutes?

I think his handle is too loose right now, fixable, but could look pretty ugly early.

I would be concerned if he's thrown into situation where he's starting main ball handler right away.

[916fan]

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

As a Magic fan, I’m concerned too. I don’t know why everyone has Bagley pencilled in for ATL...they already have a non-shooting, run and jump, pogo stick guy in Collins. Also looks like Schroeder is halfway out the door.

So who would you pick for them instead? They don't have a franchise player. They don't have a #1 scorer. If you map out their team, it's:
PG: Schroeder
SG: x
SF: Prince
PF: x
C: Collins

No offense to Collins, but he's not nearly good enough for Atlanta to have his name in their minds with this draft pick. Schroeder? yes, but not Collins.

[RollingWave]

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

As a Magic fan, I’m concerned too. I don’t know why everyone has Bagley pencilled in for ATL...they already have a non-shooting, run and jump, pogo stick guy in Collins. Also looks like Schroeder is halfway out the door.

So who would you pick for them instead? They don't have a franchise player. They don't have a #1 scorer. If you map out their team, it's:
PG: Schroeder
SG: x
SF: Prince
PF: x
C: Collins

No offense to Collins, but he's not nearly good enough for Atlanta to have his name in their minds with this draft pick. Schroeder? yes, but not Collins.

That maybe more with Schroeder being due 3/46.5 going forward, which is a fairly untradable contract at this point.

I think Atlanta might just roll the dice on Porter Jr. might as well shoot for the moon here.

[yoyoboy]

He measured a little smaller than I thought he would, but I still have him around 4th on my board. I doubt he'll ever be an average defender, but offensively he can be truly special.

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First off, I think he's far quicker than a lot of people realize. But what really sticks out to me immediately is his quick reaction time and I believe that's an overlooked attribute which is crucial at the NBA level where everything is fast paced and the defense is far tighter, leading to smaller windows for making plays. And he's a special passer; the turnovers don't worry me at all. Considering he was double teamed on like 40% of his half court possessions as a freshman without much talent around him and while having to rock a usage rate higher than both Harden and Westbrook this past season, it's really not anything too serious.

People harp on his shot selection, but he just doesn't strike me as a selfish, low IQ player at all. Unless you expect him to be taking terrible shots at the next level, where he'll have a more capable supporting cast even relative to the competition, it's not something that should be an enormous red flag. I do personally think it'll be best for his development if he comes into the NBA imitating guys like Mark Price and Steve Nash rather than trying to play like Curry.

Considering I've basically accepted that he'll be a poor defender, the only thing that I'm wary about is his finishing ability due to his lack of strength and length. Steph is a great finisher, but his standing reach is also 2 inches longer and he's incredibly crafty around the basket. I think Young can became a very skilled layup maker, but I don't expect him to put too much weight on his skinny frame and his lack of length will surely limit him.

But considering his creation ability off the dribble and the fact that he's probably the best shooter and the second best passer (besides Doncic) in the class, I don't see how you let the guy go in the back half of the lottery. His potential is as good as anyone's in this draft.

[Ball4life32]

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

As a Magic fan, I’m concerned too. I don’t know why everyone has Bagley pencilled in for ATL...they already have a non-shooting, run and jump, pogo stick guy in Collins. Also looks like Schroeder is halfway out the door.

So who would you pick for them instead? They don't have a franchise player. They don't have a #1 scorer. If you map out their team, it's:
PG: Schroeder
SG: x
SF: Prince
PF: x
C: Collins

No offense to Collins, but he's not nearly good enough for Atlanta to have his name in their minds with this draft pick. Schroeder? yes, but not Collins.

Collins is a stud though. I draft Bagley at #3 and do whatever I can to trade up for Trae Young and you’re looking at

PG: Young
SG: 2019 first round pick
SF: Prince
PF: Bagley
C: Collins

[yoyoboy]

As a Magic fan, I’m concerned too. I don’t know why everyone has Bagley pencilled in for ATL...they already have a non-shooting, run and jump, pogo stick guy in Collins. Also looks like Schroeder is halfway out the door.

So who would you pick for them instead? They don't have a franchise player. They don't have a #1 scorer. If you map out their team, it's:
PG: Schroeder
SG: x
SF: Prince
PF: x
C: Collins

No offense to Collins, but he's not nearly good enough for Atlanta to have his name in their minds with this draft pick. Schroeder? yes, but not Collins.

Collins is a stud though. I draft Bagley at #3 and do whatever I can to trade up for Trae Young and you’re looking at

PG: Young
SG: 2019 first round pick
SF: Prince
PF: Bagley
C: Collins

Even if Atlanta offered 19, 30, and 34, I can see that package maybe getting the Hawks into the 12-14 range. At that point it's basically a late mid-first and a couple virtual second rounders to get into the very back of the lottery. But no team in the top 10 is giving up a very good pick (Young will probably go in the 5-7 range) for a few meh picks, especially considering a roster is limited to 15 guys. In the NBA quality is much more important than quantity. Now if the Hawks offered their unprotected 2019 pick plus 30, then they'd be in business.

[Ball4life32]

So who would you pick for them instead? They don't have a franchise player. They don't have a #1 scorer. If you map out their team, it's:
PG: Schroeder
SG: x
SF: Prince
PF: x
C: Collins

No offense to Collins, but he's not nearly good enough for Atlanta to have his name in their minds with this draft pick. Schroeder? yes, but not Collins.

Collins is a stud though. I draft Bagley at #3 and do whatever I can to trade up for Trae Young and you’re looking at

PG: Young
SG: 2019 first round pick
SF: Prince
PF: Bagley
C: Collins

Even if Atlanta offered 19, 30, and 34, I can see that package maybe getting the Hawks into the 12-14 range. At that point it's basically a late mid-first and a couple virtual second rounders to get into the very back of the lottery. But no team in the top 10 is giving up a very good pick (Young will probably go in the 5-7 range) for a few meh picks, especially considering a roster is limited to 15 guys. In the NBA quality is much more important than quantity. Now if the Hawks offered their unprotected 2019 pick plus 30, then they'd be in business.

Agreed. Now I did read that we’ll consider trading for picks taking on a bad contract or two but giving up our pick next year is more realistic. It’s something I’d definitely consider too.

[cedric76]

Trae in the 6-9 range is not too bad

[SeattleJazzFan]

What do you guys think of his turnovers? They are insanely high, but a lot of it a natural process of averaging 31 points and 10 assists per 36 minutes?

throw it away and judge him at the next level. he was forced to force so much at OU in order for his team to be successful, that you just can't judge the turnovers. he HAD to take a lot of risks - some of those resulted in great assists or buckets, but some resulted in turnovers - he and the sooners had to live with that if they wanted to have a chance. in terms of turnovers, shot selection - anything that has to do with him trying to force the issue, we still really don't know who he is as it relates to those things.

[Mulhollanddrive]

6'0 height without shoes and 6'3 wingspan was the shortest length measurement (added together) at combine.