2022 NBA Draft Part II

[SelfishPlayer]

Let’s be honest Jabari’s handle sucks ass. He’ll still score 20 per game just by shooting over guys though. Just really limits his creation ability down the road. Can’t really just give him the ball at the top of the key and tell him to win you the game.

His handle sucks, but look at where Pascal Siakam entered the NBA and what he's capable of doing now. He may have been a late starter in picking up the game unlike Jabari, but Jabari already has a better shooting touch so if he can simply incorporate all of the moves Pascal Siakam was taught, he can easily be a 22ppg player well before Pascal reached that mark, which was his age 25 season.

It seems likely he will be a pretty solid perimeter scorer and defensive player but won’t draw many fouls.

You can't determine foul drawing of an NBA player in their prime by how they played when they were 18.

[JRoy]

His handle sucks, but look at where Pascal Siakam entered the NBA and what he's capable of doing now. He may have been a late starter in picking up the game unlike Jabari, but Jabari already has a better shooting touch so if he can simply incorporate all of the moves Pascal Siakam was taught, he can easily be a 22ppg player well before Pascal reached that mark, which was his age 25 season.

It seems likely he will be a pretty solid perimeter scorer and defensive player but won’t draw many fouls.

You can't determine foul drawing of an NBA player in their prime by how they played when they were 18.

Fair enough, but you can determine the weaknesses in a player just as well as the strengths. His strengths are why he is mocked at #1, his weaknesses are why he isn’t.

Relative to other potential #1 players in this draft.

[Big J]

even if he's a robin on a champ, well worth the pick. unless you guys are projecting Chet/Paolo to be THE guys on championship teams? in which case, again, good luck.

Paolo has the tools.

are you just randomly throwing meaningless and vapid 1 liners out here hoping something sticks or what? what 'tools' does Paolo have that Jabari doesn't?

He can dribble, and he has more intangibles. Commands more respect from his teammates and more fear from his opponents. Bigger star quality, and understands what it’s like to have the spotlight on him. Cowherd calls it the “it factor”. You know it when you see it.

[SelfishPlayer]

It seems likely he will be a pretty solid perimeter scorer and defensive player but won’t draw many fouls.

You can't determine foul drawing of an NBA player in their prime by how they played when they were 18.

Fair enough, but you can determine the weaknesses in a player just as well as the strengths. His strengths are why he is mocked at #1, his weaknesses are why he isn’t.

Relative to other potential #1 players in this draft.

Drawing fouls to me comes down to two things, not avoiding contact, and if a guy gets super star calls. Everyone can train to not avoid contact and get better at that. Then you simply have guys that get super star calls. If Jabari is the #1 overall pick he may get a favorable whistle immediately.

[JRoy]

You can't determine foul drawing of an NBA player in their prime by how they played when they were 18.

Fair enough, but you can determine the weaknesses in a player just as well as the strengths. His strengths are why he is mocked at #1, his weaknesses are why he isn’t.

Relative to other potential #1 players in this draft.

Drawing fouls to me comes down to two things, not avoiding contact, and if a guy gets super star calls. Everyone can train to not avoid contact and get better at that. Then you simply have guys that get super star calls. If Jabari is the #1 overall pick he may get a favorable whistle immediately.

I disagree.

I would drawing fouls comes down to being too much for one defensive player to handle without help. Those guys put a lot of pressure on a defense to contain their ability to exploit the defender in a one on one matchup and give the offense options.

A player that is exclusively a jump shooter is easier to contain, even if an excellent shooter, than a guy that can shoot and be a threat to get to the basket.

[Big J]

Fair enough, but you can determine the weaknesses in a player just as well as the strengths. His strengths are why he is mocked at #1, his weaknesses are why he isn’t.

Relative to other potential #1 players in this draft.

Drawing fouls to me comes down to two things, not avoiding contact, and if a guy gets super star calls. Everyone can train to not avoid contact and get better at that. Then you simply have guys that get super star calls. If Jabari is the #1 overall pick he may get a favorable whistle immediately.

I disagree.

I would drawing fouls comes down to being too much for one defensive player to handle without help. Those guys put a lot of pressure on a defense to contain their ability to exploit the defender in a one on one matchup and give the offense options.

A player that is exclusively a jump shooter is easier to contain, even if an excellent shooter, than a guy that can shoot and be a threat to get to the basket.

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

[SelfishPlayer]

Jabari is 6'10" with speed, he is always a threat around the basket WITHOUT needing to dribble! He stretches/spaces the floor vertically. He frequently is going to be the longest player on the floor. Look at the last four teams left in the post season, how many 6'10" and taller guys played major minutes for them?

[SelfishPlayer]

Drawing fouls to me comes down to two things, not avoiding contact, and if a guy gets super star calls. Everyone can train to not avoid contact and get better at that. Then you simply have guys that get super star calls. If Jabari is the #1 overall pick he may get a favorable whistle immediately.

I disagree.

I would drawing fouls comes down to being too much for one defensive player to handle without help. Those guys put a lot of pressure on a defense to contain their ability to exploit the defender in a one on one matchup and give the offense options.

A player that is exclusively a jump shooter is easier to contain, even if an excellent shooter, than a guy that can shoot and be a threat to get to the basket.

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

[JRoy]

I disagree.

I would drawing fouls comes down to being too much for one defensive player to handle without help. Those guys put a lot of pressure on a defense to contain their ability to exploit the defender in a one on one matchup and give the offense options.

A player that is exclusively a jump shooter is easier to contain, even if an excellent shooter, than a guy that can shoot and be a threat to get to the basket.

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Dirk also had a post game and could go coast to coast. Neither applies to Smith.

[Big J]

I disagree.

I would drawing fouls comes down to being too much for one defensive player to handle without help. Those guys put a lot of pressure on a defense to contain their ability to exploit the defender in a one on one matchup and give the offense options.

A player that is exclusively a jump shooter is easier to contain, even if an excellent shooter, than a guy that can shoot and be a threat to get to the basket.

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Because Dirk wasn’t just a jump shooter. Rashard averaged 3 FTA for his career.

[SelfishPlayer]

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Dirk also had a post game and could go coast to coast. Neither applies to Smith.

Dirk wasn't good enough at age 18 to earn the right to get drafted #1 overall.

[SelfishPlayer]

Agreed, Klay shot like 10 free throws all post season and took a million shots.

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Because Dirk wasn’t just a jump shooter. Rashard averaged 3 FTA for his career.

Dirk at age 18 was known for doing what?

[JRoy]

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Dirk also had a post game and could go coast to coast. Neither applies to Smith.

Dirk wasn't good enough at age 18 to earn the right to get drafted #1 overall.

That’s a good point.

I had never heard of him at that time. I was slow to get into the Dirk train but he was a hell of a player.

[Big J]

Dirk averaged 8.3 FTA over his playoff career. Why are guys comparing 6'10" Jabari to a 6'6" guard rather than a 7'0 power forward?

Because Dirk wasn’t just a jump shooter. Rashard averaged 3 FTA for his career.

Dirk at age 18 was known for doing what?

The difference between now and Dirks era is that nobody posts up anymore. Is Jabari single-handedly going to bring back post play so that he gets to the line more? I don’t think so.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dirk also had a post game and could go coast to coast. Neither applies to Smith.

Dirk wasn't good enough at age 18 to earn the right to get drafted #1 overall.

That’s a good point.

I had never heard of him at that time. I was slow to get into the Dirk train but he was a hell of a player.

At age 18 Dirk dropped 52 against Jordan, Barkley and Pippen in an exhibition game.

[SelfishPlayer]

Because Dirk wasn’t just a jump shooter. Rashard averaged 3 FTA for his career.

Dirk at age 18 was known for doing what?

The difference between now and Dirks era is that nobody posts up anymore. Is Jabari single-handedly going to bring back post play so that he gets to the line more? I don’t think so.

You don't need to post up to score inside on the 6'7" guys playing the 4 and 5 today.

[clyde21]

Paolo has the tools.

are you just randomly throwing meaningless and vapid 1 liners out here hoping something sticks or what? what 'tools' does Paolo have that Jabari doesn't?

He can dribble, and he has more intangibles. Commands more respect from his teammates and more fear from his opponents. Bigger star quality, and understands what it’s like to have the spotlight on him. Cowherd calls it the “it factor”. You know it when you see it.

How does Paolo command more respect from his teammates than Jabari? based on what?

[Big J]

are you just randomly throwing meaningless and vapid 1 liners out here hoping something sticks or what? what 'tools' does Paolo have that Jabari doesn't?

He can dribble, and he has more intangibles. Commands more respect from his teammates and more fear from his opponents. Bigger star quality, and understands what it’s like to have the spotlight on him. Cowherd calls it the “it factor”. You know it when you see it.

How does Paolo command more respect from his teammates than Jabari? based on what?

Watch their teammates body language around them.

[JRoy]

He can dribble, and he has more intangibles. Commands more respect from his teammates and more fear from his opponents. Bigger star quality, and understands what it’s like to have the spotlight on him. Cowherd calls it the “it factor”. You know it when you see it.

How does Paolo command more respect from his teammates than Jabari? based on what?

Watch their teammates body language around them.

I only saw Smith play twice but it looked to me like Smith played with really bad guards that could not get him the ball in good spots.

[Big J]

How does Paolo command more respect from his teammates than Jabari? based on what?

Watch their teammates body language around them.

I only saw Smith play twice but it looked to me like Smith played with really bad guards that could not get him the ball in good spots.

Exactly, if they respected him more they would have fed him. Great leaders need to be **** sometimes.