Marvin Bagley

[SBM]

Bagley is somewhere around Amare Stoudimire and Bosh for his floor. Definitely should go before Doncic.

[rpa]

Of all the top 7-10 lottery prospects Bagley is the one where I not only go back and forth on the most, but the magnitude is also the highest.

I love that he's one of the youngest players in the class, has elite athleticism, and absolutely dominated in one of the toughest conferences in college basketball (and, to repeat, at such a young age). But on the other hand his lack of "modern skills" is really worrying: there's a giant red flag on his shooter (low FT%); his defense is really questionable and his wingspan makes it unlikely that he's a rim protector going forward which limits his positional upside; his motor may be overrated in the sense that lots of players came in to the league with a touted motor and still failed spectacularly; and his playmaking (for others) is questionable as well.

I think the biggest worry that I have about Bagley isn't that he'll completely bust out of the league--it's that he's going to be a solid numbers guy that doesn't help teams win because of the above deficiencies. Those numbers will get him paid, but his teams will suffer because that money would be better spent on a player with more valuable traits (even though they put up inferior numbers).

[OkcSinceSGA]

Kings committed to drafting Bagley. Doncic will be available at 3.

[nolang1]

Of all the top 7-10 lottery prospects Bagley is the one where I not only go back and forth on the most, but the magnitude is also the highest.

I love that he's one of the youngest players in the class, has elite athleticism, and absolutely dominated in one of the toughest conferences in college basketball (and, to repeat, at such a young age). But on the other hand his lack of "modern skills" is really worrying: there's a giant red flag on his shooter (low FT%); his defense is really questionable and his wingspan makes it unlikely that he's a rim protector going forward which limits his positional upside; his motor may be overrated in the sense that lots of players came in to the league with a touted motor and still failed spectacularly; and his playmaking (for others) is questionable as well.

Seems to rely on a narrow definition of playmaking. I saw a player who forced opposing teams to go to extreme lengths to deny him from getting the ball in the first place. Stuff like completely fronting him in the post with another player leaving his own man to offer backside help, sagging all the way off the man with the ball to prevent a post entry pass, and not leaving him to offer help defense even if it meant surrendering uncontested layups - Bagley got face-guarded and double-teamed in an effort to keep him off the offensive glass the way NBA teams used to do for Rodman. All of that certainly helped make things much easier for his teammates, as did his rebounding their missed shots and being extremely active off the ball to make himself available when they got in trouble after picking up their dribble.

Once he did get the ball, he was able to score an efficient 21 ppg on what I'd be comfortable saying was less time of possession than I've ever seen from any college player who averaged over 20, so from that alone I question the notion of how much more he should've been passing. His passing did improve substantially throughout the year; it was almost as though he showed up on campus a month or so before games started and had to get used to all new teammates who had been playing together the entire summer without him. He found a lot of guys who missed open shots or got fouled, and a disproportionate amount of his turnovers were from offensive fouls called when he didn't have the ball rather than an inability to pass the ball to open teammates.

[Dr Positivity]

Very easy to see this guy busting in my opinion. Questionable skill, defensive IQ, strength. Seems like exactly the type of dude where as soon as you put an NBA caliber defender in size/athleticism on him his stuff stops working. And Bagley isn't Amare or Kemp to me in terms of athleticism

[PLO]

Very easy to see this guy busting in my opinion. Questionable skill, defensive IQ, strength. Seems like exactly the type of dude where as soon as you put an NBA caliber defender in size/athleticism on him his stuff stops working. And Bagley isn't Amare or Kemp to me in terms of athleticism

These are the debates we've had on him this past season. Its pretty absurd to write him off after a few summer league games but some of what you write is quite true, however in terms of verticality Bagley is phenomenal, pogo-stick athleticism even if he lacks the nous to use it in a lot of defensive situations.

In other words jury is well and truly out on him and probably will be for some years - however landing at the Kings is the nut-worst in terms of where he could have begun his NBA career, though I'm hoping some Kings fans can allay my fears for Bagley's future in being there? What's the Kings development system like? My uneducated view is that its probably not much good?

[Kolkmania]

Getting abused by Derick Jones Jr. is a big reason why I've never been high on Bagley. He's not strong or long enough to punish big wings in the post, partly because of his EXTREME reliance on his left hand. Laterally he's simply not good enough and he certainly does not have the ball handling skills for a wing.
Defensively he's atrocious, guy will need years to know where to be on the court.

I don't really care for efficiency in SL, I do value how a guy looks against NBA athletes. I also really doubt that 6'11'' btw.

[CP War Hawks]

Some of yall are brutal. Not gonna lie, I'm not a Bagley guy, but let his body develop a few more years and see how his game progresses at that point.

[atlantabbq99]

Before he college season started, I said that Bagley will be the next Chris Webber, then ironically he got drafted by the Kings.

[916fan]

Since people have been bringing up Trae, I thought Bagley deserves some recognition too. He's battled a few minor injuries, but has played very well as the season progressed.

Here's his stats for the last 20 games:
27.3mins: 18.1pts 8.7rebs 1.3asts 1.0blk 0.7stl 1.5tos on 52.1/33.3/74.3

Overall season stats for 55 games:
24.9mins: 14.7pts 7.3rebs 1.0ast 1.0blk 0.6stl 1.6to on 52.1/30.8/69.9