2022 NBA Draft

[Sea2003]

Yeah, I could see him falling to 6th or 7th because of fear he's not really the outside shooter he looks and wings like Davis and Griffin leaping over him.

Also, of the 9 teams struggling, only New Orleans and Indiana jumps out as being a good fit for a Fox type, since teams like OKC, Sacramento, Portland, San Antonio probably want a forward or wing.

this is it right here, looking at the top10 i'm not sure where he fits

OKC? they got Giddey, SGA and Dort in their back court
Hou? they just drafted Green they play same role essentially
Orlando? they just took Suggs, Cole the year before and have Hampton
Detroit? he could be a decent fit next to Cade but chances are they go for one of the forwards/bigs
Sac? Fox, Hali, just drafted Mitchell...don't see them going the Ivey route
Spurs? they got Primo last year, Vassell the year before and have Dejounte, they'll most likely go forward/big as well

Indiana or New Orleans seem like the best fits on the surface, maybe Portland if they decide to tank moving forward.

In theory OKC could throw out an Ivey-SGA-Giddey lineup and tank again by having awful big man play and just use Dort to move up (they also have 16, 30 and 35 as of now) in the draft from some teams that thinks his shooting will rebound when he's the 5th option on the court and needs a backcourt/wing defender.

But in practice I think Presti would look for someone bigger, though they are somehow 13th on D this year and 30th on O.

I really quite like the Indy fit in that Ivey is used to playing with a big anchoring the offense now and they could eventually try to move Brogdon for a SF or pick to throw out an Ivey-Duarte-SF-Sabonis-Turner lineup if they don't end up moving a big, and Brogdon at the 2 and Duarte at the 3 isn't horribly small.

I'd like Ivey here. We're not in a position to care about fit and ivey's a solid off ball player who plays d. Ivey and Cade is also interesting if they fall to like 4

[Ell Curry]

this is it right here, looking at the top10 i'm not sure where he fits

OKC? they got Giddey, SGA and Dort in their back court
Hou? they just drafted Green they play same role essentially
Orlando? they just took Suggs, Cole the year before and have Hampton
Detroit? he could be a decent fit next to Cade but chances are they go for one of the forwards/bigs
Sac? Fox, Hali, just drafted Mitchell...don't see them going the Ivey route
Spurs? they got Primo last year, Vassell the year before and have Dejounte, they'll most likely go forward/big as well

Indiana or New Orleans seem like the best fits on the surface, maybe Portland if they decide to tank moving forward.

In theory OKC could throw out an Ivey-SGA-Giddey lineup and tank again by having awful big man play and just use Dort to move up (they also have 16, 30 and 35 as of now) in the draft from some teams that thinks his shooting will rebound when he's the 5th option on the court and needs a backcourt/wing defender.

But in practice I think Presti would look for someone bigger, though they are somehow 13th on D this year and 30th on O.

I really quite like the Indy fit in that Ivey is used to playing with a big anchoring the offense now and they could eventually try to move Brogdon for a SF or pick to throw out an Ivey-Duarte-SF-Sabonis-Turner lineup if they don't end up moving a big, and Brogdon at the 2 and Duarte at the 3 isn't horribly small.

I'd like Ivey here. We're not in a position to care about fit and ivey's a solid off ball player who plays d. Ivey and Cade is also interesting if they fall to like 4

Should be BPA for sure, though my guess is Presti would prefer to surround Giddey and SGA with some bigger athletes and defenders and shooting types rather than another ballhandling guard.

[clyde21]

In theory OKC could throw out an Ivey-SGA-Giddey lineup and tank again by having awful big man play and just use Dort to move up (they also have 16, 30 and 35 as of now) in the draft from some teams that thinks his shooting will rebound when he's the 5th option on the court and needs a backcourt/wing defender.

But in practice I think Presti would look for someone bigger, though they are somehow 13th on D this year and 30th on O.

I really quite like the Indy fit in that Ivey is used to playing with a big anchoring the offense now and they could eventually try to move Brogdon for a SF or pick to throw out an Ivey-Duarte-SF-Sabonis-Turner lineup if they don't end up moving a big, and Brogdon at the 2 and Duarte at the 3 isn't horribly small.

I'd like Ivey here. We're not in a position to care about fit and ivey's a solid off ball player who plays d. Ivey and Cade is also interesting if they fall to like 4

Should be BPA for sure, though my guess is Presti would prefer to surround Giddey and SGA with some bigger athletes and defenders and shooting types rather than another ballhandling guard.

if they have Ivey as clear BPA a tier above everyone else sure, but if he's not OKC has to get some forwards or bigs on the roster to develop with SGA/Giddey. Poku's not working out and the only other functional big on the roster is Derrick Favors.

i think OKC has to be aiming for Chet or Paolo or Jabari, if not them then maybe Brown or PBJ unless again they have Ivey clearly ahead of these guys.

[GSWFan1994]

Which position do you think Ivey will play at the NBA level?

I think it will be SG... he could play PG for some spot minutes and depending on who the other backcourt player might be, but full time I don't think so. Need another ballhandler alongside him, a primary one.

[Duke4life831]

Which position do you think Ivey will play at the NBA level?

I think it will be SG... he could play PG for some spot minutes and depending on who the other backcourt player might be, but full time I don't think so. Need another ballhandler alongside him, a primary one.

For him to be his best, he will need to be a ball dominant SG. But the ideal scenario would be to have a solid PG that doesnt need the ball but is a very stable presence and someone who can be the primary facilitator. Ive said this a lot, but something along the lines of Mitchell/Conley or LaVine/Ball.

If Im a team and I feel like I dont have that already on my roster, Tyus Jones is a free agent this year. His 3pt shot has come around this year, he is a good defender. If I dont have a PG like that on my roster, Tyus Jones would be the kind of PG that I would like to go alongside Ivey. Doesnt demand the ball, super smart on both sides of the ball. Ivey can be the primary ball handler while not feeling like he needs to be the primary facilitator as well.

If Im taking Ivey, Im doing my best to try and mold him to be Donovan Mitchell.

[Duke4life831]

I dont hate this class, but definitely dont love it and there are far more question marks for the top guys than I would prefer.

Jabari: Really solid, but I do question the ceiling with him. I also question the overall impact for him, from just size alone he should be grabbing more than 6.5 boards per game and 1 block per game. His rebounds per 100 right now is currently lower than JJJ's in college. That isnt good.

Paolo: Again solid, but just like Jabari I question the ceiling with him. Again for how much people were talking about how big and strong he was going into the season, he hasnt been a great rebounder. He's been better as of late, but again not blowing people away there. His shot selection has been pretty meh and I think the biggest thing with him, he got a lot of praise for his emerging perimeter skills coming into the season. If we are being honest, they've been garbage so far. He hasnt been a threat off the dribble when he has been out on the perimeter, his 3pt shot has been very inconsistent, and his passing has been all over the place. Then defensively as of late he has been asked to do more finally, but that has been against bad tiny teams, so who knows on that yet.

Ivey: Ya he is lightening quick, but how long is his arms? Ive seen everything from 6'6 to 6'9.5". He also isnt much of a facilitator at all. And ya his 3pt numbers have been good this season, he has that Ja Morant kind of form which I dont trust at all. His handle is good, but the majority of his drives are straight line drives, he needs a little more wiggle and creativity with his game.

Chet: I think his questions are pretty well known. Does he have the frame that will ever allow him to have enough physical capability to take advantage of his offensive skill set. Its more than just weight as well, his frame itself is a big question mark.

Brown: Has everything you can ask for from a physical standpoint for a perimeter player in today's game. Lightening quick, very explosive, moves great laterally as well. But the complete lack of production being put up from him cant go unquestioned. He's a non factor on the glass. When it comes to him against legit competition, he has been a complete zero when it comes to creativity and playmaking. Then defensively he has been good but not getting the defensive plays you'd like to see from someone with his capabilities.

In some order that seems to be pretty close to most people's top 5. Again I actually like all of these guys as prospects (not so much Chet). But ya I think all of them have far more questions than Id usually like to see from guys that are being talked about as top 3 and top 5 picks.

I also want to be clear with my post. That isnt how I view them overall as prospects. This post was specifically just pointing out the biggest question marks in their game. So it was just the negative aspects or the weakness part of my scouting report on them. There is plenty to like about them and that is why I say ya I dont love this draft but I also dont hate it either.

[SeattleJazzFan]

i echo the concerns with jabari. so many tall, athletic dudes who are skilled, but are soft. they don't want to rebound and all the want to do is shoot threes - which in today's league isn't as much of a problem as it once was, but you have to be willing to attach the rim and use your size near the basket still - all the great ones do. also, that "soft" trait often translates to defense. It's not fair to label Jabari this early in his career, but with the poor rebounding and block numbers, it's definitely a concern.

paolo has no freaking clue how good he is right now - that's my only concern. will he take advantage of everything he's capable of, be aggressive and expect be and play like a star. i think he's capable of dominating down low and being an effective pull up three point shooter - we aren't seeing enough of the former and not nearly enough of the latter.

[NYPiston]

this is it right here, looking at the top10 i'm not sure where he fits

OKC? they got Giddey, SGA and Dort in their back court
Hou? they just drafted Green they play same role essentially
Orlando? they just took Suggs, Cole the year before and have Hampton
Detroit? he could be a decent fit next to Cade but chances are they go for one of the forwards/bigs
Sac? Fox, Hali, just drafted Mitchell...don't see them going the Ivey route
Spurs? they got Primo last year, Vassell the year before and have Dejounte, they'll most likely go forward/big as well

Indiana or New Orleans seem like the best fits on the surface, maybe Portland if they decide to tank moving forward.

Never a good idea to draft for fit when you're a bad team. Draft the best talent available and somebody like Ivey with a very high upside could go to a team that sees him as the best on the board even if another prospect might be a better fit. Look at Orlando taking Suggs for instance, although they had the luxury of another high 1st rounder to go for need.

For instance, the Pistons. If Ivey is sitting there and they took Duren because he fit a bigger need, I'd be a bit triggered simply because Ivey appears to have the higher ceiling.

[clyde21]

this is it right here, looking at the top10 i'm not sure where he fits

OKC? they got Giddey, SGA and Dort in their back court
Hou? they just drafted Green they play same role essentially
Orlando? they just took Suggs, Cole the year before and have Hampton
Detroit? he could be a decent fit next to Cade but chances are they go for one of the forwards/bigs
Sac? Fox, Hali, just drafted Mitchell...don't see them going the Ivey route
Spurs? they got Primo last year, Vassell the year before and have Dejounte, they'll most likely go forward/big as well

Indiana or New Orleans seem like the best fits on the surface, maybe Portland if they decide to tank moving forward.

Never a good idea to draft for fit when you're a bad team. Draft the best talent available and somebody like Ivey with a very high upside could go to a team that sees him as the best on the board even if another prospect might be a better fit. Look at Orlando taking Suggs for instance, although they had the luxury of another high 1st rounder to go for need.

For instance, the Pistons. If Ivey is sitting there and they took Duren because he fit a bigger need, I'd be a bit triggered simply because Ivey appears to have the higher ceiling.

no one is suggesting you take fit over need.

that's the entire point of having tiers. you do the tiers based on talent, and then within those tiers you draft for fit/need. if Ivey is clearly ahead of everyone else in a tier of his own you obviously take him...but if it's close, and there are multiple similar talent level players in the same tier, then you take the best fit.

[Chi town]

I like this class a lot. I think the guys 5-10 will outperform the guys 1-5 in the long run.

Like Mathurin, Davis, and Ivey a lot. Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

[The-Power]

Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

In which ways? They have some physical similarities but I'd say they are very different players overall.

[MotownMadness]

I like this class a lot. I think the guys 5-10 will outperform the guys 1-5 in the long run.

Like Mathurin, Davis, and Ivey a lot. Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

Definitely has some potential but I'm not very thrilled being the worst team in the league while having so many question marks at the top.

[clyde21]

Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

In which ways? They have some physical similarities but I'd say they are very different players overall.

yea, don't see that comp at all, Barnes has much better passing chops and physical profile, also much younger as a prospect.

[Chi town]

Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

In which ways? They have some physical similarities but I'd say they are very different players overall.

Kinda good at a lot of things. Murray isn’t the passer but his D, rebounding, and ability to score from all 3 levels. Also just winning plays. High IQ.

[Chi town]

I like this class a lot. I think the guys 5-10 will outperform the guys 1-5 in the long run.

Like Mathurin, Davis, and Ivey a lot. Think Murray will be a Scottie Barnes type.

Definitely has some potential but I'm not very thrilled being the worst team in the league while having so many question marks at the top.

Agreed. Great draft to trade back

[NYPiston]

no one is suggesting you take fit over need.

that's the entire point of having tiers. you do the tiers based on talent, and then within those tiers you draft for fit/need. if Ivey is clearly ahead of everyone else in a tier of his own you obviously take him...but if it's close, and there are multiple similar talent level players in the same tier, then you take the best fit.

No argument there

[Chi town]

I like this kid’s profile. Jermaine Grant vibes but more PF. Kid has an incredible motor and plays with an edge. His FT stroke looks good. His 3 ball not to much. His wing span looks really good and he seems like he plays bigger than he is. Once he fills in I can seem him as a modern 4 and small ball 5 with SF skills.

[TraBuch]

It’s only been two games but Wendell Moores been absolutely terrible since the COVID pause. He’s playing like he did in his first two seasons, which is basically the worst player to get significant time in the ACC. Hope this is just a minor blip and not a hard regression to his previous two seasons. The same stupid turnovers, the same terrible drives to nowhere when he should be passing it.

[Duke4life831]

Trevor Keels maybe the OAD I can't stand the most out of any OAD to come through Duke. Talk about someone who just continually plays beyond his skill set. Every time he dribbles I just put my head in my palm. Yet he does it all the time. Should just be a catch and shoot guy on offense.

What kind of shot was that towards the end of the game? Not the final shot but the time before. Just an awkward running heavily contested jumper in the lane. There was plenty of time to kick it out for a better shot. But no Keels loves his off the dribble game so much for some reason. I cant stand watching this guy play.

Also the fact that K didnt put Williams in on that FT to be in there in case to grab a rebound (which ended up Duke needing) is beyond inexcusable. That is basic level of situational awareness.

[Chi town]

I like this kid’s profile. Jermaine Grant vibes but more PF. Kid has an incredible motor and plays with an edge. His FT stroke looks good. His 3 ball not to much. His wing span looks really good and he seems like he plays bigger than he is. Once he fills in I can seem him as a modern 4 and small ball 5 with SF skills.

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