2020 NBA Draft

[tundraknight]

Another horrible offensive game for Lewis today. A season low 3 points on just 1-2 shooting and 1-4 from the line. He has shown 0 ability to create with the ball for himself or others and is shooting really bad. Defensively the kid is a dynamo, but man has he been beyond anemic on the offensive end.

Well that’s probably why a lot of mocks have him as a mid to late first rounder.

I’ve heard countless of times that he’s a “jump shot away from being a lottery pick”.

[MotownMadness]

Stewart and McDaniels looks like solid prospects

[clyde21]

disaster outing for Cole tonight, 4-15 from the field, 0 dimes to 6 TOs, 50% from the line again...

his assist to turnover ratio hasn't been good at all at this point, even Coby had a better ratio (and that's before tonight) and he wasn't exactly looked at as a true PG.

i have him in the top5 but that's waning with every game so far.

[HeadtopChunes]

Haliburton is Lonzo Ball without the hype

[clyde21]

Haliburton is Lonzo Ball without the hype

pretty much, dude is still obscenely skinny tho.

[Duke4life831]

Hot dog that was a rough outing for Cole. He currently has more TOVs than Ast, the 2pt% and FT% continue to be big time eye openers as well. Ya like others I was a major Cole fan heading into the season, but not going to lie, there are definitely some major question marks about him that are making me rethink him as a top 5 prospect. Still early and still plenty of time to turn these things around and show its just a slump, but definitely need to see how he progresses throughout the season.

In the ACC he will get plenty of tests to prove his progression, he's got UVA again, Duke with Tre's defense at least 2 times (maybe 3) and Louisville as well to just name a few. Will be interesting to see if he can turn things around.

[clyde21]

Hot dog that was a rough outing for Cole. He currently has more TOVs than Ast, the 2pt% and FT% continue to be big time eye openers as well. Ya like others I was a major Cole fan heading into the season, but not going to lie, there are definitely some major question marks about him that are making me rethink him as a top 5 prospect. Still early and still plenty of time to turn these things around and show its just a slump, but definitely need to see how he progresses throughout the season.

In the ACC he will get plenty of tests to prove his progression, he's got UVA again, Duke with Tre's defense at least 2 times (maybe 3) and Louisville as well to just name a few. Will be interesting to see if he can turn things around.

match up vs. Tre gonna be big obviously, still plenty of time to turn it around...you can see the talent with Cole just needs to play better.

[King Ken]

Haliburton is Lonzo Ball without the hype

Zo was better for the obvious reasons.

[The-Power]

Haliburton is Lonzo Ball without the hype

He has been nothing short of sensational the last five games. Half-court creation and aggressiveness have taken a step forward. Top 5 easily for me if he can sustain this level. He makes his team's offense run so smoothly and he seamlessly fits next to other high-level creators. He might always be a guy who flies a bit under the radar, also at the next level, but I'm positive he'll make a big impact on his team's offense wherever he'll go. I think he'll be better than Lonzo at the next level, seems more useful off the ball and increasingly in the half-court.

[nolang1]

Sure guys like Lebron and KD are going to be great no matter what the situation is, but none of the players in this draft are generational talents like that. The point you are trying to make does not apply to this draft because none of the players in this draft seem like players that will reach their potential no matter what team they go to. So yes the pick will have more value before the player plays, but it's not like this year's pick has insane value because there isn't someone like Zion in this draft.

I also said nothing about not playing the player that the Warriors draft. I said that they can use him in a role that utilizes the player's strengths, while the rest of the player's skills are developed. This still allows the team to evaluate the player's fit with the current roster, and as he improves the team can expand his role.

OK you don't get to hit me with a condescending and wrong 'if you actually watched the games' and then pretend as though the typical 19-year-old rookie actually has strengths that can be utilized out of the gate to help a team contend for the championship lol. N\

What are your "concrete examples" of stars leaving due to being brought along slowly because your Harden example was just wrong? Stars leave teams for a variety of reasons, and I can't think of one single start that said he was leaving because he didn't get enough minutes early in his career.

Kawhi would be another player who left for a team where he could be the undisputed franchise player. Jimmy Butler as well. There certainly aren't too many other top-15 players who weren't considered their team's most untradeable player within the first 2 years of their career, so for that many to have wanted out without having given their original teams too much star-level production is not only notable, but it's still more than the zero examples you offered. Again, who are the players who aren't stars simply because they were drafted by a bad organization? Common sense would dictate that the good organizations would have tried to cheaply acquire these players once their careers didn't start out very well.

Not really sure where the part I bolded is coming from because that is not what I meant at all. Nowhere did I combine those things. I'm saying that if a player is in a situation where he has good players around him, then he will be able to focus on his strengths while he is playing.

And that has zero to do with an organization's ability to develop players. Did Johnathan Simmons develop on the Spurs and then undevelop when he went to the Magic? Of couse not, he was just a limited role player who was with worse teammates and a worse system.

You obviously must not have watched Brown play in the playoffs because he was one of the three best players on a playoff team that was one game away from going to the finals. His rookie year, if you go back and watch series with the Cavs he was also the only person on the team that competed with Lebron. He provided defense for a contender while he was young because that was his main strength coming into the league. Now that he has improved his game he is contributing in a variety of ways and is a key piece on offense. This is the trajectory that I can see the Warriors taking since they don't need another star player to become contenders. They can take a high potential player, like a Jaylen Brown, and put him in a position to succeed by bringing him along slowly, while still helping the current team contend.

Again completely ignoring the point that if the Celtics almost got to the Finals with Jaylen Brown, they would've actually gotten to the Finals with a better player (and of course that even if the Celtics had gotten to the Finals those years the Warriors or whichever West team made it through would've just swept them). Steph, Klay, and Draymond are going to be older than Al Horford was when he signed with the Celtics and the draft pick will be younger than Brown, so it's simply delusional to think that the pick (which most likely won't even be #1 in a weak draft) will be good enough soon enough to actually help them contend for a championship immediately.

[RandlesCornrows]

This is just not a good draft. Not terrible but as far as franchise changers...probably zero.

I think Wiseman and Anthony can be game changer players. LaMelo I feel is just hype (I was SO wrong at first, and I was SHOCKED when I saw report of him being a top-5 pick, and I can see why. I just don't think he'll be a huge star -- similar to his brother.) Edwards I think at best is Victor Oladipo (Star player, not a franchise player.)

[RandlesCornrows]

Hot dog that was a rough outing for Cole. He currently has more TOVs than Ast, the 2pt% and FT% continue to be big time eye openers as well. Ya like others I was a major Cole fan heading into the season, but not going to lie, there are definitely some major question marks about him that are making me rethink him as a top 5 prospect. Still early and still plenty of time to turn these things around and show its just a slump, but definitely need to see how he progresses throughout the season.

In the ACC he will get plenty of tests to prove his progression, he's got UVA again, Duke with Tre's defense at least 2 times (maybe 3) and Louisville as well to just name a few. Will be interesting to see if he can turn things around.

Cole Anthony will be MUCH better in the NBA. NC is god awful.

[doordoor123]

Haliburton is Lonzo Ball without the hype

He has been nothing short of sensational the last five games. Half-court creation and aggressiveness have taken a step forward. Top 5 easily for me if he can sustain this level. He makes his team's offense run so smoothly and he seamlessly fits next to other high-level creators. He might always be a guy who flies a bit under the radar, also at the next level, but I'm positive he'll make a big impact on his team's offense wherever he'll go. I think he'll be better than Lonzo at the next level, seems more useful off the ball and increasingly in the half-court.

Yeah, he’s pretty different. There are similarities like his skinniness and shot form, but he actually gets to the rim in traffic and can finish in traffic. His shot also has a nicer arc and he seems to have a stronger handle. I also think Haliburton is a better half-court player while Lonzo was a better transition player. Lonzo was also a better defender. I think they’re pretty different and think Haliburtons game translates better.

[The-Power]

Any thoughts on Joel Ayayi?

[LSandersBong]

Any thoughts on Joel Ayayi?

I like Ayayi only been moved into the starting lineup a few games ago and playing really well. Think he has potential to be an NBA player probably not a starter though, Decent defender, good size and rebounder for his position not overly athletic but is fairly crafty and plays hard.

Would probably have abit more hype if he didn't have to compete with Timme, Watson, Petrusev, Tillie (all 4 have have varying NBA potential) then several other good college players. Gonzaga are deep!

[LSandersBong]

Charles Bassey has fractured his tibula and is out rest of the season ouch!

I notice Ohio State are highly ranked, are undefeated and have beat some good teams by decent margins so far this season, I haven't really seen any of there games this year apart from highlights of the UNC game, any prospects to keep an eye on?

[Marcus]

Charles Bassey has fractured his tibula and is out rest of the season ouch!

I notice Ohio State are highly ranked, are undefeated and have beat some good teams by decent margins so far this season, I haven't really seen any of there games this year apart from highlights of the UNC game, any prospects to keep an eye on?

Sucks for Bassey I know he was coming back to try and increase his stock.

[The-Power]

Sucks for Bassey I know he was coming back to try and increase his stock.

Sure does, but his stock has not really increased either way I'd fathom.

[The-Power]

I notice Ohio State are highly ranked, are undefeated and have beat some good teams by decent margins so far this season, I haven't really seen any of there games this year apart from highlights of the UNC game, any prospects to keep an eye on?

Kaleb Wesson is in better shape and perhaps an interesting bench-big to be targeted with a 2nd round pick.

[clyde21]

Sucks for Bassey I know he was coming back to try and increase his stock.

Sure does, but his stock has not really increased either way I'd fathom.

sucks for Bass, don't want to rehash this but he should've came out last year...he was uber young last year so that was a + on his side, now he's a year older and injured. already had some knee issues to begin with too.