Scoot Henderson

[KembaWalker]

Waiting doesn't really make sense to me, if it's Wemby and he's obviously just raw like everyone knew he would be then yes, obviously, you wait. Scoot is different, he was actually falsely advertised as some athletic phenom that he simply is not and waiting won't change this. He's not a special athlete and he won't be a special athlete in year 5 either. If he develops a jumpshot he could still be a good player but it's not premature to ask where the narrative of him as some Rose/Westbrook level athlete came from and how susceptible some people were to the marketing campaign around him that sold them on this and how that can be avoided in the future.

[EvanZ]

Waiting doesn't really make sense to me, if it's Wemby and he's obviously just raw like everyone knew he would be then yes, obviously, you wait. Scoot is different, he was actually falsely advertised as some athletic phenom that he simply is not and waiting won't change this. He's not a special athlete and he won't be a special athlete in year 5 either. If he develops a jumpshot he could still be a good player but it's not premature to ask where the narrative of him as some Rose/Westbrook level athlete came from and how susceptible some people were to the marketing campaign around him that sold them on this and how that can be avoided in the future.

That's a you problem not a me problem. I didn't think he was an "athletic phenom" and still was very high on him as a Jrue Holiday/Mike Conley type long term. Two players, btw, both better than Kemba Walker.

[clyde21]

Waiting doesn't really make sense to me, if it's Wemby and he's obviously just raw like everyone knew he would be then yes, obviously, you wait. Scoot is different, he was actually falsely advertised as some athletic phenom that he simply is not and waiting won't change this. He's not a special athlete and he won't be a special athlete in year 5 either. If he develops a jumpshot he could still be a good player but it's not premature to ask where the narrative of him as some Rose/Westbrook level athlete came from and how susceptible some people were to the marketing campaign around him that sold them on this and how that can be avoided in the future.

okay is that your point? that he's not a great athlete?

anything else you want to add to this incredible discussion?

[KembaWalker]

Waiting doesn't really make sense to me, if it's Wemby and he's obviously just raw like everyone knew he would be then yes, obviously, you wait. Scoot is different, he was actually falsely advertised as some athletic phenom that he simply is not and waiting won't change this. He's not a special athlete and he won't be a special athlete in year 5 either. If he develops a jumpshot he could still be a good player but it's not premature to ask where the narrative of him as some Rose/Westbrook level athlete came from and how susceptible some people were to the marketing campaign around him that sold them on this and how that can be avoided in the future.

That's a you problem not a me problem. I didn't think he was an "athletic phenom" and still was very high on him as a Jrue Holiday/Mike Conley type long term. Two players, btw, both better than Kemba Walker.

Why can y'all not go like 2 posts without some weird derailing attack? Embarrassing

[EvanZ]

Waiting doesn't really make sense to me, if it's Wemby and he's obviously just raw like everyone knew he would be then yes, obviously, you wait. Scoot is different, he was actually falsely advertised as some athletic phenom that he simply is not and waiting won't change this. He's not a special athlete and he won't be a special athlete in year 5 either. If he develops a jumpshot he could still be a good player but it's not premature to ask where the narrative of him as some Rose/Westbrook level athlete came from and how susceptible some people were to the marketing campaign around him that sold them on this and how that can be avoided in the future.

That's a you problem not a me problem. I didn't think he was an "athletic phenom" and still was very high on him as a Jrue Holiday/Mike Conley type long term. Two players, btw, both better than Kemba Walker.

Why can y'all not go like 2 posts without some weird derailing attack? Embarrassing

What was derailing about it? You are clearly a Kemba Walker stan and he's worse than the guys I think Scoot could be like. Seems to me you should be all in on Scoot tbh.

[KembaWalker]

That's a you problem not a me problem. I didn't think he was an "athletic phenom" and still was very high on him as a Jrue Holiday/Mike Conley type long term. Two players, btw, both better than Kemba Walker.

Why can y'all not go like 2 posts without some weird derailing attack? Embarrassing

What was derailing about it? You are clearly a Kemba Walker stan and he's worse than the guys I think Scoot could be like. Seems to me you should be all in on Scoot tbh.

I'm just a Charlotte fan that joined during that draft, I'm not gonna get emotional about it like apparently the norm is here when a player is criticized. Good bait though I guess?

[EvanZ]

Why can y'all not go like 2 posts without some weird derailing attack? Embarrassing

What was derailing about it? You are clearly a Kemba Walker stan and he's worse than the guys I think Scoot could be like. Seems to me you should be all in on Scoot tbh.

I'm just a Charlotte fan that joined during that draft, I'm not gonna get emotional about it like apparently the norm is here when a player is criticized. Good bait though I guess?

Oof, sorry about being a Charlotte fan. Must be rough. Also explains why you're biased against Scoot and biased for Brandon Miller. I should have realized...

[JMAC3]

It is weird how some posters in this thread act like every single message is intended for them and what their opinions are... example being when Kemba mentions Rose/Westbrook. Whether that was your opinion or not... plenty of people had that opinion. 90% of people weren't comping him to Mike Conley hence why the love for him was through the roof... including 10% of fans saying they would consider Scoot a better prospect than Wemby because Wemby could get hurt etc etc...

If Scoot was viewed as Mike Conley, why would 70% of people be up in arms with taking Miller over him? The truth is people overhyped Scoot. If he does become a solid NBA player that is still probably not a good pick at #3. You want star players and typically you have a good idea on guys drafted in the top 5 whether they have star potential after a handful of games.

This isn't the same as saying well Kemba as the 9th pick developed or Paul George at the 10th pick developed... they were drafted later because it was expected that they may not be good right away... Scoot was billed as a Day 1 stud, franchise player... There are thousands of real life takes across the internet from informed NBA fans who had this opinion.

[JMAC3]

I am not 100% convicted Scoot is bad or won't even be a star... but if I thought it was 30% chance he was star prior to the draft, it is okay to think right now maybe its a 10% chance. I am not shutting the door on it completely but it would be really weird to not have altered your opinion of him longterm at all..

I pretty much knew 10 games in last year Jabari Smith wasn't a future superstar. Whereas I don't think anyone is shutting the door on Paolo or Chet as that... Chet has played 20 games.

Same with Jayden Ivey.. plenty of people thought he should of been the first pick and could be Dwade... I would say its like a 5% chance that happens at this point.

Pretty much knew right away Lonzo wasn't a superstar, we quickly settled for the guy he became for Chicago.

It is okay to think Lonzo, Ivey, Jabari could or will become okay NBA players, but also realize they didn't or won't live up to the hype.

[EvanZ]

We certainly don’t know what Jabari’s ceiling is yet. The way you are writing these dudes off so soon is bizarro.


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[EvanZ]

Honestly dudes like JMAC, Big J and “Kemba” are the worst because they literally live off cherry picking, recency and confirmation bias. They specialize in lap taking but they never come back years later to have to defend picks they got wrong. There’s no long term accounting or accountability. Just perceived short term self congratulating. It’s truly tacky. Ugh, why even bother.


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[elias808]

Y’all are so funny. As if a 19 year old with 13 NBA games under his belt can’t develop.

[clyde21]

23/10 tonight

only a matter time before he's ramped up and Portland hands him the keys.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think a lot impacting him is not a lack of talent or ability, but the fact that he's often deferring to more experienced ballhandlers or experienced teammates. He's playing off the ball frequently when Ant and/or Brogdon are in the game (which is annoying, but ultimately is probably for the best longterm. I've written it elsewhere but a lot of what separates Dame from Steph is that Dame is terrible at moving off the ball, which either is because how he is or because Terry never drew it up for him to do so in his earlier years. So Scoot moving off the ball now and setting screens, learning to run around isn't -the worst idea- overall).

Obviously he needed to continue to work on his three point shooting, primarily his pullup. His lower base really moves oddly when he shoots off a pullup, especially from three. His entire lower body twists. Which I think is entirely fixable because his catch and shoot form is pretty clean. You can see the shots are generally lined up. I expect his offseason will be full of working on his left hand and his pullup/off-the-bounce mechanics.

And the other two big factors are to start the year he had fouling issues (but is progressively getting better. Not always, but getting better!) and then off the ankle injury, of course.

But he is fast as hell, competitive, full of energy, up in your grill defensively, a willing passer and wants to get his teammates involved. I'm not worried about Scoot. He just needs reps and to learn, he's already learning how to put his incredible speed to use.

[clyde21]

is this athletic enough for some people or na

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[EvanZ]

"not athletic"

[Braggins]

I think a lot impacting him is not a lack of talent or ability, but the fact that he's often deferring to more experienced ballhandlers or experienced teammates. He's playing off the ball frequently when Ant and/or Brogdon are in the game (which is annoying, but ultimately is probably for the best longterm. I've written it elsewhere but a lot of what separates Dame from Steph is that Dame is terrible at moving off the ball, which either is because how he is or because Terry never drew it up for him to do so in his earlier years. So Scoot moving off the ball now and setting screens, learning to run around isn't -the worst idea- overall).

Obviously he needed to continue to work on his three point shooting, primarily his pullup. His lower base really moves oddly when he shoots off a pullup, especially from three. His entire lower body twists. Which I think is entirely fixable because his catch and shoot form is pretty clean. You can see the shots are generally lined up. I expect his offseason will be full of working on his left hand and his pullup/off-the-bounce mechanics.

And the other two big factors are to start the year he had fouling issues (but is progressively getting better. Not always, but getting better!) and then off the ankle injury, of course.

But he is fast as hell, competitive, full of energy, up in your grill defensively, a willing passer and wants to get his teammates involved. I'm not worried about Scoot. He just needs reps and to learn, he's already learning how to put his incredible speed to use.

People who have been saying he doesn't look that athletic or hasn't been showing flashes haven't been actually watching the games and saying stuff like that is telling on themselves.

He absolutely looks like he has elite speed. The broadcast during one of his recent game shared some movement tracking stuff and Scoots top speed this season is faster than Fox's. I don't actually think he is faster than Fox. Fox's game is very refined and at this point hes usually not moving any faster than he needs to, whereas Scoot sometimes gets out of control or will try to turn on the jets in weird situations. Still, Scoot is extremely fast.

His vertical explosion isn't great or anything and is probably his weakest athletic trait, but its still pretty good (3 dunks, 2 of which were halfcourt, in his most recent game). What makes him special athletically is his speed combined with his awesome power profile for his age.

He also looks bigger than I expected next to NBA players. His size looked good for a PG in the GLeague, but I wasn't sure if that was because there isn't as much size in that league. He actually still looks pretty big for a PG and I believe now that his 6'3" listing is legit. I was a bit skeptical as always when there was last minute reports that he measured 6'3" at his draft workouts, but I think 6'2" barefoot / 6'3" in shoes is his correct height. This has been pretty relevant on defense where he actually looks more switchable than I expected (seen a lot of instances already of him easily preventing much taller players from establishing position against him). His defense in general has been better than I expected, outside of the very obvious fouling issues.

I think him deferring a lot is fine and part of it is him still trying to figure out where the soft spots are and when its appropriate to attack vs defer against actual big league defenses. He seems to be figuring some of this stuff out fairly quickly which has allowed him to utilize his athleticism more often in recent games.

One of his biggest issues right now imo that I haven't seen mentioned much is that he completely avoids trying to finish with his left hand, which makes it easier than it should be to defend against his drives since defenders can sell out pretty hard forcing him left.

The shot selection from 3pt and midrange hasn't been as bad as you would think given his percentages. Hes just not consistent yet from those areas, especially from 3pt. He had some really unnecessary midrange attempts in the 4-17 game against the Mavs, but that hasn't been as common and most of his midrange shots have been shots he needs to take. More of his bad shots are ill advised rim attempts. Hes flashed potential as a rim finisher, but he needs to cut out some of the forced attempts and expand his left hand finishing so he is less predictable and harder to scheme against.

[JMAC3]

We certainly don’t know what Jabari’s ceiling is yet. The way you are writing these dudes off so soon is bizarro.


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Jabari isn't ever going to be an MVP candidate, best player on a title contender. If you want to hold out hope because it is too soon then go for it. I have seen enough to know that he aint it. Can he be a solid 3rd or 4th option and fit in on a good team? Yeah. but that isn't a #1 pick talent which he was billed as until 3 days before the draft and people woke up. Even as the 3rd pick he will end up having a pretty meh career, even if 10 years long. Marvin Williams 2.0

[JMAC3]

Honestly dudes like JMAC, Big J and “Kemba” are the worst because they literally live off cherry picking, recency and confirmation bias. They specialize in lap taking but they never come back years later to have to defend picks they got wrong. There’s no long term accounting or accountability. Just perceived short term self congratulating. It’s truly tacky. Ugh, why even bother.


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Lol at attacking posters because they disagree with you.

and I am here after Scoot had a good game, I am not just cherry picking or showing up when he plays poorly... I explained a few posts ago I still think he could have a chance at being a star, but it is a slim percentage then my thoughts on him even before the draft. So yeah my view on him has gone down from what I have seen as a whole, don't know why you have such a problem with it. Specifically calling me tacky and other name calling that has gone on during the thread. Just childish to throw a tantrum because you think you are the smartest guy in the room at all times.

[EvanZ]

Honestly dudes like JMAC, Big J and “Kemba” are the worst because they literally live off cherry picking, recency and confirmation bias. They specialize in lap taking but they never come back years later to have to defend picks they got wrong. There’s no long term accounting or accountability. Just perceived short term self congratulating. It’s truly tacky. Ugh, why even bother.


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Lol at attacking posters because they disagree with you.

It's not just about disagreeing. It's about your messed up process, lap taking, cherry picking, and just all around **** attitude towards all this.