ManualRam wrote:theboomking wrote:ManualRam wrote:i'd love to see wroten make the simple play look simple.
he does have good vision but i think his vision is hyped up even more due to the flashiness of his passes. he seems to always put more mustard on the hotdog whenever he can.
im not sold on him as a PG though. maybe a playmaker, but not a PG.
he's got a lot of work to do on his jumper as well. he slings it from mid-range and shoots almost flatfooted from distance.
a lot of those kids coming out of tacoma/seattle have a lot of street in their game. wroten's no exception. he'll have to weed that BS out of his game and learn how to make the simple basketball plays.
Wroten just had his right knee scoped. Wroten had an ACL reconstruciton on the same knee last year. Not good for his long term prospects to have multiple knee surgeries before playing any collegiate ball.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/huskies/2011/ ... e-surgery/I think the top 5 limitation has been a little too restrictive to generate a ton of controversy, whereas the top 10-12 is a more interesting conversation. Manualram, how do you predict the top 10 in the draft
will pan out vs how you think it
should pan out?
My top 11 would probably go something like:
1.Andre Drummond
2.Anthony Davis
3.Harrison Barnes
4.Jeremy Lamb
5.Michael Gilchrist
6.Quincy Miller
7.Jared Sullinger
8.Brad Beal
9.Perry Jones
10. Steven Adams(New Zealand)
11. James McAdoo
12.Austin Rivers
I don't know why, but I just don't love McAdoo as a prospect. He looks like an undersized face up PF who probably won't defend well at the 3, also won't help as an interior defender/rim protector, isn't an elite rebounder, and didn't really stand out at any of the All-Star games I watched him play asn having next level athleticism. He has a bit of an Antawn Jamison vibe that makes me think he McAdoo will be a good scorer, but won't be a major contributor on a championship team.
Edit: I added Steven Adams, who I don't think will declare, but I do think can declare.
sounds like they're just cleaning out his knee before the season starts. that's nothing major.
i think we'd have to see the draft order and official declares first in order to compare our top 10s with realistic top 10s.
just looking at your top 11 i think that:
-sullinger would be a little bit higher because i think he'll be one of the most productive players in the college game.
-gilchrist will go lower because he's seen as more of a defensive specialist who wont have as much of an opportunity to show out this yr compared to other frosh prospects.
-there's a good chance that beal comes back for a second yr because of the depth that florida has in the backcourt.
-adams will take that yr at PITT just to get acclimated to US basketball.
-i can also see rivers coming back for a 2nd yr to fine tune his skills and feel for the game under coach K (or maybe not. he seems like a kid who's eager for stardom).
-a guy like thomas robinson could sneak into the top 10 because of his physicality, motor, rebounding/ defensive ability and high character. he has a chance to be highly productive with high intangibles.
basically, just like every yr, not everybody who we think should declare, will declare and a couple of scouts will be swayed by production.
also, mcgary will eligible for next yr's draft too. would he be in your top 11?
I don't know a lot about Mitch McGary, other than what I have read online. I'm not as versed as you are.
I agree that Stevens will almost certainly play his year at Pitt. As you said, it is hard to otherwise say who will declare and who won't. Beal does seem to be in the Barnes/Sullinger good/smart kid group, and he may also be likely to stay.
Gilchrist I like more than you. I also see him as a defensive specialist, but as a potentially elite one. Maybe I have him a little too high, but in looking at the draft, I am trying to look for players that I think could contribute to the success of a championship team. Gilchrist is an excellent athlete, a great defensive player, won in H.S., has a well defined NBA position, and is very young. Gilchrist turned 18 9/26/2011.
7-Day Dray wrote:Wroten has definitely recovered from his ACL injury. This was him this summer:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HoxE-_49hw&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Wroten is an all world athlete. I think he is in the same class of athlete as John Wall, Russell Westbrook, and Derrick Rose. That dunk just means that Wroten has recovered from his surgery and is still explosive. It does not mean that Wroten isn't headed for chronic issues.
There is no certainty that Wroten will have chronic issues, but tearing your ACL makes you about 5 times more likely to develop arthritis in the knee, whether you have a reconstruction or not. In fact, there is no good medical evidence that reconstructing the ACL decreases the likelihood of future arthritis.
The fact that Wroten has already had a second procedure on that knee should raise eyebrows, and I can guarantee you that the medical staffs of NBA teams will be closely considering these issues during the draft scouting process. Knees aren't like carpets. They don't need to be cleaned out regularly. What Wroten had "cleaned out" was damaged cartilage, either meniscus, or the articular cartilage that covers the joints. Wroten's second procedure isn't necessarily the harbinger of doom, but it isnt good news either, especially for a player that relies so much on his athleticism.
