Ben Simmons

Masterfully · Post #121 » by **Masterfully** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:52 pm

Marcus wrote:
Masterfully wrote:LOL, that's right! Yeah I meant Ingram at Duke. Was also thinking about Jaylen while typing.

lol. yeah that's what i figured. still thinking Ingram comes back for a second year or Jaylen comes back for a second year?

I'm thinking Ingram. He just looks much more raw to me, like he needs an extra year of development.

Post #122 » by **Marcus** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:53 pm

amk233 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Masterfully wrote:
My educated guess, is that Ingram doesn't look so good at Cal and either comes back for his sophomore year or slides to the late lotto.

I'll second that. NO WAY Ingram looks good at Cal this year.

Especially since he'll be at Duke. Gonna be extra hard to pull that off.

He has a Durant esque frame though. If he shows flashes I think he goes and gets picked mid lottery just based on potential.

he'll more than likely go higher than that if he shows flashes. he may be in a good spot to highlight strenghts this year at Duke plus this draft projects to be fairly top heavy at the moment without the prospective depth of 2017 so now would be the best time to jump in.

Post #123 » by **Marcus** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:10 pm

Masterfully wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Masterfully wrote:LOL, that's right! Yeah I meant Ingram at Duke. Was also thinking about Jaylen while typing.

lol. yeah that's what i figured. still thinking Ingram comes back for a second year or Jaylen comes back for a second year?

I'm thinking Ingram. He just looks much more raw to me, like he needs an extra year of development.

his frame is definitely something to be worried about because he's so damn skinny. Good jumper, solid handle, long, competes on defense, weakish draft (at the moment) compared to a monster draft (at the moment) in 2017 might be good to strike while his name is buzzin if he can keep it in the convo for the year.

pratik1994 · Post #124 » by **pratik1994** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:33 am

I actually think this upcoming class is going to be pretty weak. I wonder when that next transcendent wing star like a lebron or durant will come.

splendidham · Post #125 » by **splendidham** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:20 am

I've seen five names reeled off as possible number 1 pick in this thread so far yet everyone claims it's weak. There are some solid prospects in this draft. I guess some are overrating them or maybe they see something we don't but in my opinion it's not that bad. I think there are 4 who could be top 8 picks in most drafts and 2-3 who could go top 5 most drafts. All of them seem like pretty unique guys as well.
There aren't many point forwards around who can pass like Ben. Skal tall, athletic and can shoot. Ingram looks like a Durant type and how many of them are there? Jaylen is a brute and could be a star. I think Rabb could get it all together too.

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Masterfully · Post #126 » by **Masterfully** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:07 am

splendidham wrote:I've seen five names reeled off as possible number 1 pick in this thread so far yet everyone claims it's weak. There are some solid prospects in this draft. I guess some are overrating them or maybe they see something we don't but in my opinion it's not that bad. I think there are 4 who could be top 8 picks in most drafts and 2-3 who could go top 5 most drafts. All of them seem like pretty unique guys as well.
There aren't many point forwards around who can pass like Ben. Skal tall, athletic and can shoot. Ingram looks like a Durant type and how many of them are there? Jaylen is a brute and could be a star. I think Rabb could get it all together too.

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I think the "weak draft" talk is more about what's going on outside the top 10.

I also think you'll see Bender get love right near the very top of the draft.

76ciology · Post #127 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:35 am

pratik1994 wrote:I actually think this upcoming class is going to be pretty weak. I wonder when that next transcendent wing star like a lebron or durant will come.

Labissiere, Simmons and Ingram has the tools to be stars/superstars because of their skillset+length. For me,2016's top 3 guys has more upside than the 2015 draft's top 3.

No-Man · Post #128 » by **No-Man** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:52 am

76ciology wrote:
pratik1994 wrote:I actually think this upcoming class is going to be pretty weak. I wonder when that next transcendent wing star like a lebron or durant will come.

Labissiere, Simmons and Ingram has the tools to be stars/superstars because of their skillset+length. For me,2016's top 3 guys has more upside than the 2015 draft's top 3.

They clearly dont, and you are missing Bender in that top3.
About the next great wing, most likely Josh Jackson.

pratik1994 · Post #129 » by **pratik1994** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:21 am

76ciology wrote:
pratik1994 wrote:I actually think this upcoming class is going to be pretty weak. I wonder when that next transcendent wing star like a lebron or durant will come.

Labissiere, Simmons and Ingram has the tools to be stars/superstars because of their skillset+length. For me,2016's top 3 guys has more upside than the 2015 draft's top 3.

I agree with you about 2015. 2015 wasn't really hyped to be anything special to begin with. Again I said transcendent wing player and none of those guys are that.

Its been 8 years since a player like that came out, maybe wiggins will live up to it if he reaches his two way potential.

Dame Lizard · Post #130 » by **Dame Lizard** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:04 am

Thoughts on Ben Simmons vs Jabari Parker as a prospect prior to their college debut? (keep in mind Simmons is a year older than Jabari was).

I'm guessing Simmons comes out on top quite easily.

How about the comparison of Simmons vs Parker strictly at scoring?

No-Man · Post #131 » by **No-Man** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:37 am

Jabari all the way, at least for me, better athlete, way better shooter, better scorer overall, and Jabari, even if he is not the pointforward that Ben is, had a really good floor game before he started emulating Melo's game a bit too much.
Jabari has length on Ben also.
No question in my mind.

Rastas · Post #132 » by **Rastas** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:28 pm

Parker will be about as close to Simmons as Melo is to Lebron!

sikma42 · Post #133 » by **sikma42** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:33 pm

Masterfully wrote:
Fischella wrote:possible? he is clearly a PF at the next level, he has no business playing SF

Draftexpress has him listed as a SF/PF. As does NBADraft.net. His game today is clearly that of a SF. But in a year when his body is stronger and he is going against faster NBA athletes I could see him being used primarily as a PF.

Right now to me, he looks like a faster, more athletic version of Kyle Anderson.

He is also a much worst ball handler and passer and has a worst court sense.

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Masterfully · Post #134 » by **Masterfully** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:00 pm

sikma42 wrote:
Masterfully wrote:
Fischella wrote:possible? he is clearly a PF at the next level, he has no business playing SF

Draftexpress has him listed as a SF/PF. As does NBADraft.net. His game today is clearly that of a SF. But in a year when his body is stronger and he is going against faster NBA athletes I could see him being used primarily as a PF.

Right now to me, he looks like a faster, more athletic version of Kyle Anderson.

He is also a much worst ball handler and passer and has a worst court sense.

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"Much worst"? That's pretty hard to say at this point. We will probably have a better idea of that next February or March. Also, KA is 3 years older.

Talent Chaser · Post #135 » by **Talent Chaser** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:22 pm

Have a feeling Ingram will go #1. Wings like him don't come around too often.

Post #136 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:28 pm

Talent Chaser wrote:Have a feeling Ingram will go #1. Wings like him don't come around too often.

How good do you see Ingram being?

Talent Chaser · Post #137 » by **Talent Chaser** » Tue Aug 4, 2015 3:28 pm

Marcus wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:Have a feeling Ingram will go #1. Wings like him don't come around too often.

How good do you see Ingram being?

Paul George/Kevin Durant hybrid

Masterfully · Post #138 » by **Masterfully** » Tue Aug 4, 2015 4:11 pm

Talent Chaser wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:Have a feeling Ingram will go #1. Wings like him don't come around too often.

How good do you see Ingram being?

Paul George/Kevin Durant hybrid

Fascinating. I see him as more of a Travis Outlaw/Jonathon Bender hybrid.

He will probably fall somewhere in between. :wink:

immortalone23 · Post #139 » by **immortalone23** » Tue Aug 4, 2015 4:22 pm

I finally caught up with Ingram. He's going to be real nice.

Illmatic12 · Post #140 » by **Illmatic12** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 9:40 am

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - isn't Simmons basically a less athletically-gifted Giannis?

He's Giannis with a lower ceiling, that's what I gather from everything I've seen. Tall forward who can handle and pass like they've spent hours watching Magic Johnson highlights. But not a great outside shooter. Looks like a superstar in transition, but then you come back to earth when you see them in the half court. PF sized, but no post game (Giannis will back down smaller guys on mismatches but that's about it. Likewise, Simmons probably won't be able to post up guys his own size in the NBA).

I'm not 100% sure where his defense is at ? But he's not quite elite in terms of defensive measurables/tools and isn't overly disruptive on that end. That's why I say his ceiling is lower than GA, the Greek Freak has the tools to reach a prime-Kirilenko level impact on defense.

It's cool to see more versatile forwards coming up through the ranks, however despite looking impressive in highlights not all of these guys become 'superstars' at the NBA level. Durant was the very rare exception, he has natural scoring ability that you can't teach.

Lamar Odom is another guy who was similar to Simmons, he was a better prospect though due to his taller/longer frame.