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Re: Re: Myles Turner 

Post#121 » by cedric76 » Wed May 20, 2015 2:58 pm

greg4012 wrote:I think Turner will be a guy who ends up being chosen inside the top 10. His upside is outstanding, and if the reports that his mobility and lower body concerns are fixable are legit, then that should qualm the only real concerns with him. If he is already improving this, and shows good mobility in workouts, some teams will fall in love with him.

How early do you think he could go?


I think he could go as high as #5

Remember last year, before combine no-one had Gordon at #4 or elf at #10.
Rob doesn't care about medias' mocks
Gordon was projected outside of top #10 same was Turner is
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Re: Re: Myles Turner 

Post#122 » by greg4012 » Wed May 20, 2015 3:04 pm

cedric76 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:I think Turner will be a guy who ends up being chosen inside the top 10. His upside is outstanding, and if the reports that his mobility and lower body concerns are fixable are legit, then that should qualm the only real concerns with him. If he is already improving this, and shows good mobility in workouts, some teams will fall in love with him.

How early do you think he could go?


I think he could go as high as #5

Remember last year, before combine no-one had Gordon at #4 or elf at #10.
Rob doesn't care about medias' mocks
Gordon was projected outside of top #10 same was Turner is


I wouldn't be surprised at all. His skillset is not easily found. If he shows improved mobility in some of his private workouts, his stock can skyrocket.
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Re: Re: Myles Turner 

Post#123 » by doordoor123 » Wed May 20, 2015 4:03 pm

greg4012 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:I think Turner will be a guy who ends up being chosen inside the top 10. His upside is outstanding, and if the reports that his mobility and lower body concerns are fixable are legit, then that should qualm the only real concerns with him. If he is already improving this, and shows good mobility in workouts, some teams will fall in love with him.

How early do you think he could go?


I think he could go as high as #5

Remember last year, before combine no-one had Gordon at #4 or elf at #10.
Rob doesn't care about medias' mocks
Gordon was projected outside of top #10 same was Turner is


I wouldn't be surprised at all. His skillset is not easily found. If he shows improved mobility in some of his private workouts, his stock can skyrocket.


I think there's a good chance he goes to the wrong team and it scares me.
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Re: Re: Re: Myles Turner 

Post#124 » by cedric76 » Wed May 20, 2015 5:20 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
I think he could go as high as #5

Remember last year, before combine no-one had Gordon at #4 or elf at #10.
Rob doesn't care about medias' mocks
Gordon was projected outside of top #10 same was Turner is


I wouldn't be surprised at all. His skillset is not easily found. If he shows improved mobility in some of his private workouts, his stock can skyrocket.


I think there's a good chance he goes to the wrong team and it scares me.


The only knock on him was health and mobility

Myles is very underrated as an athlete and his health as been given the thumb up
I d be perfect in Orlando
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Post#125 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:54 am

Apparently he smashed all his interviews and climbing up quickly. Just saw 2 Mock that have him go 7th and 9th
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Post#126 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 9:22 am

cedric76 wrote:Apparently he smashed all his interviews and climbing up quickly. Just saw 2 Mock that have him go 7th and 9th


That's not a good thing. He doesn't fit either team at 7 and 9. He's a center.
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Post#127 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 9:30 am

doordoor123 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Apparently he smashed all his interviews and climbing up quickly. Just saw 2 Mock that have him go 7th and 9th


That's not a good thing. He doesn't fit either team at 7 and 9. He's a center.


Stretch 4/5

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Re: Re: Re: 

Post#128 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 10:02 am

cedric76 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Apparently he smashed all his interviews and climbing up quickly. Just saw 2 Mock that have him go 7th and 9th


That's not a good thing. He doesn't fit either team at 7 and 9. He's a center.


Stretch 4/5

Bpa

Lottery teams can't be picky


It would be dumb for the Nuggets to take him unless they're giving up on Nurkic because a future with those two guys defending together as a 4/5 tandem in the future is a bad idea. And Nuggets want a fast-paced offense. Literally makes no sense there unless Nurkic, who the Nuggets have said is part of their core going forward, is traded.

Bobcats also make no sense. They made the mistake last season of taking another power forward in the lottery. They now have to either hope Vonleh and Zeller develop or they have to get a big in free agency. If they want to use him as a possible future replacement for Jefferson (who is said to want to resign with Charlottle), I could see it happening. At the same time, if Jefferson re-ups, what's the point? They have other needs. Jefferson/Turner is way too soft of a frontcourt right now. If Turner develops and becomes a legit defender at the next level, they could try the Gasol/Randolph thing (because their offense is slow anyway), but that would be a long ways away and it's a long shot from happening. Whoever mocked those teams didn't think those options out.
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Post#129 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 11:52 am

U don't draft for need when u suck

What if Turner become a better defensive version of lamarcus?
U pass on him because u had vonleh or nurkic on your team? No u don't, if u think he is the bpa u take him
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#130 » by No-Man » Mon Jun 8, 2015 12:06 pm

The Hornets do make some sense, is the highest I can see him going.
They have Biyombo who is probably more suited as a career back-up, and two PFs that complete each other well and could be both very good players but not starts, if they add Turner they have that frontline lock for years and they will probably let Jefferson go after this season, Turner is very raw, if he does not play in his first season is not really a big deal for them.

Walker

Kidd-Gilchrist/Hairston
Zeller/Vonleh
Turner/Biyombo

That is a solid young core just missing an elite piece, they might lure that guy in FA, who knows.
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#131 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 2:20 pm

Fischella wrote:The Hornets do make some sense, is the highest I can see him going.
They have Biyombo who is probably more suited as a career back-up, and two PFs that complete each other well and could be both very good players but not starts, if they add Turner they have that frontline lock for years and they will probably let Jefferson go after this season, Turner is very raw, if he does not play in his first season is not really a big deal for them.

Walker

Kidd-Gilchrist/Hairston
Zeller/Vonleh
Turner/Biyombo

That is a solid young core just missing an elite piece, they might lure that guy in FA, who knows.


Yeah, sounds great for a rebuilding team. First of all, I agree Biyombo is probably gone, but should he be? Their interior defense is much better with him on the floor and they need all the interior defense they could get.
Al Jefferson has said in his exit interview that he expects to be back and the Hornets don't want to waste the talent they have. They've been rebuilding for years. There's no way they take a back seat to start rebuilding again. Unless they trade one of their power forwards, I doubt he goes there. But the Hornets have made stupid picks before, I wouldn't put it past them.
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#132 » by No-Man » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:04 pm

I dont think Biyombo is gone, under the new cap it makes absolutely no sense for the Hornets to lose him for nothing, I will offer him a 21m$/3y deal with the last one been a TO.
running 4 versatile bigs that can compliment themselves great and be solid defensively and offensively is awesome if you have enough firepire outside, they just need a franchise player in the backcourt.

for next season you roll what what you have, if Turner outplays Biyombo and ean the back-up C role, great, if not, play him only in dleague or if someone gets injured.
try to get anything for Jefferson if possible, pick and expiring will do it, and if not let him go after next FA where he is a FA and roll with the 4 young bigs.
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#133 » by Hachmabash » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:24 pm

I like the idea of him going to Orlando with 5th pick.
They have a set backcourt, Payton + Oladipo + Gordon, and a big man for the future would be nice. His game may also complement Vucevic, if his shot blocking ability translates as well as shooting.
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#134 » by No-Man » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:29 pm

Vucevic and Turner are both pure C, they wont work well together at all, Turner is not a PF.
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Post#135 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:37 pm

I could see Myles backing up vuc and playing a bit of 4 too
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Re: Myles Turner 

Post#136 » by Notanoob » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:41 pm

I'd like to see Turner on the Kings. Stretch the floor and relieve Boogie of some of his defensive responsibilities, he is too burdened as their defensive and offensive anchor.
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Re: Re: Re: 

Post#137 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:55 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
That's not a good thing. He doesn't fit either team at 7 and 9. He's a center.


Stretch 4/5

Bpa

Lottery teams can't be picky


It would be dumb for the Nuggets to take him unless they're giving up on Nurkic because a future with those two guys defending together as a 4/5 tandem in the future is a bad idea. And Nuggets want a fast-paced offense. Literally makes no sense there unless Nurkic, who the Nuggets have said is part of their core going forward, is traded.

Bobcats also make no sense. They made the mistake last season of taking another power forward in the lottery. They now have to either hope Vonleh and Zeller develop or they have to get a big in free agency. If they want to use him as a possible future replacement for Jefferson (who is said to want to resign with Charlottle), I could see it happening. At the same time, if Jefferson re-ups, what's the point? They have other needs. Jefferson/Turner is way too soft of a frontcourt right now. If Turner develops and becomes a legit defender at the next level, they could try the Gasol/Randolph thing (because their offense is slow anyway), but that would be a long ways away and it's a long shot from happening. Whoever mocked those teams didn't think those options out.


Very much disagree in regards to his fit with Charlotte. I think acting like Jefferson re-upping with Charlotte is a certainty is a big stretch. I could see either side looking to move on (I think they've kind of hit the ceiling of what an offense built around Jefferson could look like and they want something different). They may very well be interested in securing their center for the future.

Plus, a big wildcard is Turner's improved mobility. If teams buy into the idea he could play some at the 4, that even furthers the fit with Charlotte.
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Re: Re: Re: 

Post#138 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 6:32 pm

greg4012 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Stretch 4/5

Bpa

Lottery teams can't be picky


It would be dumb for the Nuggets to take him unless they're giving up on Nurkic because a future with those two guys defending together as a 4/5 tandem in the future is a bad idea. And Nuggets want a fast-paced offense. Literally makes no sense there unless Nurkic, who the Nuggets have said is part of their core going forward, is traded.

Bobcats also make no sense. They made the mistake last season of taking another power forward in the lottery. They now have to either hope Vonleh and Zeller develop or they have to get a big in free agency. If they want to use him as a possible future replacement for Jefferson (who is said to want to resign with Charlottle), I could see it happening. At the same time, if Jefferson re-ups, what's the point? They have other needs. Jefferson/Turner is way too soft of a frontcourt right now. If Turner develops and becomes a legit defender at the next level, they could try the Gasol/Randolph thing (because their offense is slow anyway), but that would be a long ways away and it's a long shot from happening. Whoever mocked those teams didn't think those options out.


Very much disagree in regards to his fit with Charlotte. I think acting like Jefferson re-upping with Charlotte is a certainty is a big stretch. I could see either side looking to move on (I think they've kind of hit the ceiling of what an offense built around Jefferson could look like and they want something different). They may very well be interested in securing their center for the future.

Plus, a big wildcard is Turner's improved mobility. If teams buy into the idea he could play some at the 4, that even furthers the fit with Charlotte.


First of all, the Hornets aren't going to get rid of the guy that gave them the only success they've ever had as an organization to be right back where they were before his arrival. Second, Jefferson literally said in his interview that he'd be back. If he didn't say so, I wouldn't be making the argument because he could find more success elsewhere.

If Turner can play four, there's no chance he even makes it to 9. What I see is a guy not mobile enough to defend a four. Until you show video evidence, I can't support that claim.
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Re: Re: Re: 

Post#139 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 6:46 pm

doordoor123 wrote:First of all, the Hornets aren't going to get rid of the guy that gave them the only success they've ever had as an organization to be right back where they were before his arrival.


Chill with the hyperbole, each of these guys are feeling very disrespected:

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Second, Jefferson literally said in his interview that he'd be back. If he didn't say so, I wouldn't be making the argument because he could find more success elsewhere.


Yes, that means he's opting into the last year of his contract. He has a player option. Most FAs are targeting a slice of the 2016 offseason pie. The speculation I was discussing was whether each side will come to terms on a new deal following the expiration of this contract (when Jefferson is 31).
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Post#140 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 8, 2015 7:22 pm

greg4012 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:First of all, the Hornets aren't going to get rid of the guy that gave them the only success they've ever had as an organization to be right back where they were before his arrival.


Chill with the hyperbole, each of these guys are feeling very disrespected:

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Second, Jefferson literally said in his interview that he'd be back. If he didn't say so, I wouldn't be making the argument because he could find more success elsewhere.


Yes, that means he's opting into the last year of his contract. He has a player option. Most FAs are targeting a slice of the 2016 offseason pie. The speculation I was discussing was whether each side will come to terms on a new deal following the expiration of this contract (when Jefferson is 31).


When I said Hornets, I clearly meant Bobcats/Hornets or Michael Jordan's Hornets.
I'm going on the assumption he comes back. I think both sides want it done and I think Jefferson knows with the cap increase, the Hornets could get him more help. BOOM-- he doesn't have to move again, still gets paid and gets a better team around him. On paper it seems like it would happen. At the same time, LeBron went back to Cleveland -- anything can happen and there's only so much talent available.
Even if Jefferson leaves, the Hornets now know they need to attract a big player to compete. I think there are better odds of going in with a bunch of okay veterans than rebuilding again. Ideally they would want to do what the Rockets did acquiring James Harden and Dwight Howard. If they miss out on big free agents, odds are they keep developing the talent they already have with added vets instead of a total rebuild.

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