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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#121 » by bigboi » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:47 pm

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zion williamson doing zion williamson things. peep the move at 4:00 he can handle and move like a guard


His handles look sorry af :lol:
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
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Post#122 » by Antinomy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:14 pm

Reminds me of a more athletic, taller Lance Stephenson (in terms of body composition) with less handles. He's more of a straight-line, bully ball driver to the basket & doesn't seem to go right almost at all. Honestly can't picture him playing on the wing in the NBA. Doesn't seem fluid enough as a dribbler. The guy is very explosive & has a power game so it'd be beneficial if he grew even 2-3 inches within the next year or two.

I definitely don't see the Lebron comparison at all. LBJ was playing the 1-5 in HS. This guy plays more like forward. Will be interesting to see how things develop
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Post#123 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:29 am

The Adidas Gauntlet started today so Zion against legit competition. Today in 29 minutes he put up

26/7/2 on 13-20 shooting and 2 blks and 3 stls. Was his super efficient self inside the 3pt line where he did all his damage and went 13-17. Its nice seeing him really trying to add the 3pt shot to his game. Still a long ways to go with it though. But damn inside the arc he is just so freaking efficient, never takes bad shots. Again his basketball IQ is really good. If by the time he is done with his 1 year of college he has a reliable 3pt shot, he becomes a sure fire elite prospect like AD was coming out of college.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#124 » by jonjames » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:57 pm

Antinomy wrote:Reminds me of a more athletic, taller Lance Stephenson (in terms of body composition) with less handles. He's more of a straight-line, bully ball driver to the basket & doesn't seem to go right almost at all. Honestly can't picture him playing on the wing in the NBA. Doesn't seem fluid enough as a dribbler. The guy is very explosive & has a power game so it'd be beneficial if he grew even 2-3 inches within the next year or two.

I definitely don't see the Lebron comparison at all. LBJ was playing the 1-5 in HS. This guy plays more like forward. Will be interesting to see how things develop



What constitutes a great handle in your definition? He can get to wherever he needs to go without turning over the ball. For a guy that big he gets low when he dribbles on his drive and can string together moves in succession without fumbling or slipping out of his hand. Few players in high school, collegiate, or even pro's at his height/size could do that. Lance Stephenson had more of playground game using unnecessary dribbles going nowhere in isolation situations.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#125 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:36 pm

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Antinomy wrote:Reminds me of a more athletic, taller Lance Stephenson (in terms of body composition) with less handles. He's more of a straight-line, bully ball driver to the basket & doesn't seem to go right almost at all. Honestly can't picture him playing on the wing in the NBA. Doesn't seem fluid enough as a dribbler. The guy is very explosive & has a power game so it'd be beneficial if he grew even 2-3 inches within the next year or two.

I definitely don't see the Lebron comparison at all. LBJ was playing the 1-5 in HS. This guy plays more like forward. Will be interesting to see how things develop



What constitutes a great handle in your definition? He can get to wherever he needs to go without turning over the ball. For a guy that big he gets low when he dribbles on his drive and can string together moves in succession without fumbling or slipping out of his hand. Few players in high school, collegiate, or even pro's at his height/size could do that. Lance Stephenson had more of playground game using unnecessary dribbles going nowhere in isolation situations.


Ya Im not seeing the lack of handles for his size either. If anything its pretty good especially in traffic. He gets very low and rarely looses control of it. Does he have a handle like Lebron? No. But he gets really low and even if its not the prettiest thing, he doesnt turn it over and he gets to where he wants to go. I dont see the handle being an issue. His biggest question mark on offense is going to be does he ever get that jumper working.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#126 » by LakerLegend » Sat May 13, 2017 1:16 am

Definitely tons of athleticism for his size, but he doesn't seem anymore athletic than say Wiggins or this guy:



LeBron was definitely a far more polished player. Could get his head to the rim as early as 17, maybe earlier:

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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#127 » by Justwar » Sat May 13, 2017 2:11 am

Not even sure he's the best sf anymore, cam reddish is flying up the ratings.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#128 » by jonjames » Sat May 13, 2017 2:45 am

Lakerfan17 wrote:Definitely tons of athleticism for his size, but he doesn't seem anymore athletic than say Wiggins or this guy:



LeBron was definitely a far more polished player. Could get his head to the rim as early as 17, maybe earlier:





He's lil more athletic than wiggins..just as explosive but more powerful. Wiggins is a fluid runner but his gait looks very stiff and upright also strictly two foot leaper zion can get up equally as good 1 or 2 feet. Parker was a world class athlete just not a legit player or prospect.

I'm not sure he's far more polished let alone more polished zion skill is getting overshadowed by his highlight reel dunks. LeBron played better high school competition and possesed better court vision/passing. Zion is very young for his class his potential is beyond any of his peers except maybe bagley and even that's questionable. He's the clear cut best player and nba prospect in high school basketball imo.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#129 » by Justwar » Sat May 13, 2017 4:50 am

I believe bol bol has more long-term potential then Bagley, 7'2 athletic 3pt shooters are very rare
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Post#130 » by KobesScarf » Tue May 23, 2017 5:23 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The Adidas Gauntlet started today so Zion against legit competition. Today in 29 minutes he put up

26/7/2 on 13-20 shooting and 2 blks and 3 stls. Was his super efficient self inside the 3pt line where he did all his damage and went 13-17. Its nice seeing him really trying to add the 3pt shot to his game. Still a long ways to go with it though. But damn inside the arc he is just so freaking efficient, never takes bad shots. Again his basketball IQ is really good. If by the time he is done with his 1 year of college he has a reliable 3pt shot, he becomes a sure fire elite prospect like AD was coming out of college.


:confused: :confused: :confused: You can't be for real? Trying to become a 3 point shooter basically guarantees him mediocrity.

He's got the chance to be the next GREAT ONE(top 10 all time) but Zion needs to embrace being a PF right now. Every second he waste trying to be a perimeter player is killing his long term potential. The route to greatness for him is being the GOAT offensive rebounder
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Post#131 » by Duke4life831 » Tue May 23, 2017 7:20 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:The Adidas Gauntlet started today so Zion against legit competition. Today in 29 minutes he put up

26/7/2 on 13-20 shooting and 2 blks and 3 stls. Was his super efficient self inside the 3pt line where he did all his damage and went 13-17. Its nice seeing him really trying to add the 3pt shot to his game. Still a long ways to go with it though. But damn inside the arc he is just so freaking efficient, never takes bad shots. Again his basketball IQ is really good. If by the time he is done with his 1 year of college he has a reliable 3pt shot, he becomes a sure fire elite prospect like AD was coming out of college.


:confused: :confused: :confused: You can't be for real? Trying to become a 3 point shooter basically guarantees him mediocrity.

He's got the chance to be the next GREAT ONE(top 10 all time) but Zion needs to embrace being a PF right now. Every second he waste trying to be a perimeter player is killing his long term potential. The route to greatness for him is being the GOAT offensive rebounder


Where did I ever say he's trying to become nothing but a 3pt shooter. I did it's great he's trying to add a 3pt shot to his game. I don't see adding a 3pt shot is a bad thing, even if he's going to only play the 4. 4s kind of need to be able to stretch the floor in today's game.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#132 » by KobesScarf » Tue May 23, 2017 8:49 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The Adidas Gauntlet started today so Zion against legit competition. Today in 29 minutes he put up

26/7/2 on 13-20 shooting and 2 blks and 3 stls. Was his super efficient self inside the 3pt line where he did all his damage and went 13-17. Its nice seeing him really trying to add the 3pt shot to his game. Still a long ways to go with it though. But damn inside the arc he is just so freaking efficient, never takes bad shots. Again his basketball IQ is really good. If by the time he is done with his 1 year of college he has a reliable 3pt shot, he becomes a sure fire elite prospect like AD was coming out of college.


:confused: :confused: :confused: You can't be for real? Trying to become a 3 point shooter basically guarantees him mediocrity.

He's got the chance to be the next GREAT ONE(top 10 all time) but Zion needs to embrace being a PF right now. Every second he waste trying to be a perimeter player is killing his long term potential. The route to greatness for him is being the GOAT offensive rebounder


Where did I ever say he's trying to become nothing but a 3pt shooter. I did it's great he's trying to add a 3pt shot to his game. I don't see adding a 3pt shot is a bad thing, even if he's going to only play the 4. 4s kind of need to be able to stretch the floor in today's game.


Any time spent standing behind the 3 point line is a massive waste of his talent and is stunting his growth. The fact that everyone is shooting 3s is all the more reason he shouldn't. The best example is Shaq who decided to be all power not finesse like Olajuwan, Ewing and Robinson were when he got the NBA.

All that said working on his 3 point shooter is probably the safe route since he its extremely hard to establish his game in only 1 year of college and therefore whatever terrible NBA team/coach he ends up with is going to force him to shoot 3s anyway
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#133 » by azcatz11 » Tue May 23, 2017 11:56 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The Adidas Gauntlet started today so Zion against legit competition. Today in 29 minutes he put up

26/7/2 on 13-20 shooting and 2 blks and 3 stls. Was his super efficient self inside the 3pt line where he did all his damage and went 13-17. Its nice seeing him really trying to add the 3pt shot to his game. Still a long ways to go with it though. But damn inside the arc he is just so freaking efficient, never takes bad shots. Again his basketball IQ is really good. If by the time he is done with his 1 year of college he has a reliable 3pt shot, he becomes a sure fire elite prospect like AD was coming out of college.


:confused: :confused: :confused: You can't be for real? Trying to become a 3 point shooter basically guarantees him mediocrity.

He's got the chance to be the next GREAT ONE(top 10 all time) but Zion needs to embrace being a PF right now. Every second he waste trying to be a perimeter player is killing his long term potential. The route to greatness for him is being the GOAT offensive rebounder


Dude please.
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Post#134 » by Worm122 » Wed May 24, 2017 2:04 am

I cant see as bad thing try to acquire a new tool on his game, this is right time to try development his game, the NBA has evolved to a new style where you have to be at least a good 3 point shooter
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Post#135 » by B-Ball Freak » Wed May 24, 2017 3:55 am

KobesScarf wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:
:confused: :confused: :confused: You can't be for real? Trying to become a 3 point shooter basically guarantees him mediocrity.

He's got the chance to be the next GREAT ONE(top 10 all time) but Zion needs to embrace being a PF right now. Every second he waste trying to be a perimeter player is killing his long term potential. The route to greatness for him is being the GOAT offensive rebounder


Where did I ever say he's trying to become nothing but a 3pt shooter. I did it's great he's trying to add a 3pt shot to his game. I don't see adding a 3pt shot is a bad thing, even if he's going to only play the 4. 4s kind of need to be able to stretch the floor in today's game.


Any time spent standing behind the 3 point line is a massive waste of his talent and is stunting his growth. The fact that everyone is shooting 3s is all the more reason he shouldn't. The best example is Shaq who decided to be all power not finesse like Olajuwan, Ewing and Robinson were when he got the NBA.

All that said working on his 3 point shooter is probably the safe route since he its extremely hard to establish his game in only 1 year of college and therefore whatever terrible NBA team/coach he ends up with is going to force him to shoot 3s anyway


Your way of thinking is stuck in the 90's...you dont know ball.
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Post#136 » by KobesScarf » Wed May 24, 2017 4:47 am

Worm122 wrote:I cant see as bad thing try to acquire a new tool on his game, this is right time to try development his game, the NBA has evolved to a new style where you have to be at least a good 3 point shooter


At this stage he should be triple downing on his strengths and developing aspects that compliment those strengths. Any second he spends spotting up at the 3pts line is taking him away from what he does best and continuing to stunt his growth. If he's the next great one he'll make the NBA adapt to him.
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Post#137 » by KobesScarf » Wed May 24, 2017 8:10 am

B-Ball Freak wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:
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Where did I ever say he's trying to become nothing but a 3pt shooter. I did it's great he's trying to add a 3pt shot to his game. I don't see adding a 3pt shot is a bad thing, even if he's going to only play the 4. 4s kind of need to be able to stretch the floor in today's game.


Any time spent standing behind the 3 point line is a massive waste of his talent and is stunting his growth. The fact that everyone is shooting 3s is all the more reason he shouldn't. The best example is Shaq who decided to be all power not finesse like Olajuwan, Ewing and Robinson were when he got the NBA.

All that said working on his 3 point shooter is probably the safe route since he its extremely hard to establish his game in only 1 year of college and therefore whatever terrible NBA team/coach he ends up with is going to force him to shoot 3s anyway


Your way of thinking is stuck in the 90's...you dont know ball.


I know ball I'm just not ignoring the last 6 decades because of a trend that started 6 or 7 years ago
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Post#138 » by Worm122 » Wed May 24, 2017 12:20 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
Worm122 wrote:I cant see as bad thing try to acquire a new tool on his game, this is right time to try development his game, the NBA has evolved to a new style where you have to be at least a good 3 point shooter


At this stage he should be triple downing on his strengths and developing aspects that compliment those strengths. Any second he spends spotting up at the 3pts line is taking him away from what he does best and continuing to stunt his growth. If he's the next great one he'll make the NBA adapt to him.


The NBA is in a such high level,that one player cant change the game anymore, i can see that on the Warriors, if was just Curry they would never be champion, even Jordan couldnt be champion alone, Basketball is a time sport where a organized squad can make appear the quality of the greats players.
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Post#139 » by KobesScarf » Wed May 24, 2017 6:50 pm

Worm122 wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:
Worm122 wrote:I cant see as bad thing try to acquire a new tool on his game, this is right time to try development his game, the NBA has evolved to a new style where you have to be at least a good 3 point shooter


At this stage he should be triple downing on his strengths and developing aspects that compliment those strengths. Any second he spends spotting up at the 3pts line is taking him away from what he does best and continuing to stunt his growth. If he's the next great one he'll make the NBA adapt to him.


The NBA is in a such high level,that one player cant change the game anymore, i can see that on the Warriors, if was just Curry they would never be champion, even Jordan couldnt be champion alone, Basketball is a time sport where a organized squad can make appear the quality of the greats players.


It's more difficult to break through now because players come in the NBA undeveloped at 19, and then when you to the NBA you'll have to cycle through a bunch of trash coaches who only have short term interest. But for these same reasons if you do break through you can have a bigger impact than ever before

The great ones have always changed the game. LeBron changed the game, so did Shaq before him, MJ before that, Bird and Magic before that etc etc
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#140 » by mattao313 » Wed May 24, 2017 9:41 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
Worm122 wrote:I cant see as bad thing try to acquire a new tool on his game, this is right time to try development his game, the NBA has evolved to a new style where you have to be at least a good 3 point shooter


At this stage he should be triple downing on his strengths and developing aspects that compliment those strengths. Any second he spends spotting up at the 3pts line is taking him away from what he does best and continuing to stunt his growth. If he's the next great one he'll make the NBA adapt to him.

How does shooting 3's not compliment his strengths as a slasher? Seems like a 3pt shoot would elevate his slashing game more since it would not only give him another scoring option it'll also make guys guard him closer so driving past them will be easier.
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