All Things Luka Doncic

[pacersGM]

why? u are bringing up the race like its part of the reason he cant be drafted top 3

Thats totaly missinterpreted by you

[pacersGM]

shure, if you say so. no problem. i mentioned race as a factor, because caucasians beeing physically inferior to black athletes in 90%, is a major part of their nba projections. and doncic shure is not in those 10% whos athletic ability matches or tops the black athletes.

i am far from beeing racist, and you perceiving my statement as such surprises me.

and who said i dont like his game? me having an opinion (wich is he could have a solid nba career, or a legend status if he plays the majority of his career in europe) seems to be bothering many here. since i dont think he can be a superstar in the nba is somehow less worth of a opinion then somebody saying he can be a nba superstar? that is unfair to say the least?

You keep saying he will for sure be a "legend" if he stays in EuroLeague...........yeah, because just anyone can do that. Do you have any idea what kind of career and resume a guy needs for that?

Maybe this will help you......................


It's much less likely by percentage for someone to get "legend" status in EuroLeague, than for them to make it in the NBA as a decent player. Yet you are claiming it's the opposite........well it's not though. Like a handful of players, versus dozens upon dozens.......

Your argument doesn't make sense from a simple odds standpoint.

These are the actual odds for any European player:

Less likely to be a legend in Europe, more likely to be a good NBA player.

Yet you keep claiming it's the opposite for Doncic, that somehow of course he will be a legend in EuroLeague, but just so unlikely to have a good career in NBA............

Despite all history of European players proving the opposite by actual mathematics and statistical odds.

yeah, with the way Euroleague schedules now are, they should really take a page from NBA book and lessen the practicing at least. Most NBA players say that the hardest part is traveling, now imagine traveling when a team doesn't even have private plane. Practices are far more demanding, schedule is almost as intense as in the NBA at this point, and games are far more important and intense, since its a number of shorter tournaments, not an 82 game regular season. When a schedule is 82 games, you can lose there are there,meanwhile you lose 1 in Euroleague, you can mess up standings bigtime.
So yeah, NBA gig is not as sweat as it might look, especially when you are American and played in the NBA. If you took NBA for granted, when you out of the league and playing on Euroleague team, you really start appreciating how good NBA life was. Thats why a lot of Americans who came back to NBA after short Euro stint, trashed Europe big time.

From what I understand, most EuroLeague teams are now using their own planes, and the ones that are not, are in the process of doing so.

As far as the practices go, the coaches have changed nothing, except for having to account for the more travel days. So in NBA, you get 82 games, and 1-3 practices a month, and in EuroLeague, you get 70-80+ games (depending on what leagues), and still get about 5 practices a week............so yeah, EuroLeague schedule is more brutal than NBA schedule. Especially when you add in most of the players have to play their national teams.

EuroLeague players have 10 months to spend with their teams, and the ones that play in their national teams, have 11 months of the year to play basketball. That's why FIBA changed the schedule (the real reason). Half of the best players in Europe won't play for their national teams anymore, and most of the best European players started retiring in their late 20s and early 30s.

The issue of the practices in EuroLeague is on the coaches and players though. The players will have to demand less practices, like NBA players did in the past....as it is now only incredibly conditioned guys can play effectively in their 30s now...

Just look at Printezis, he could literally barely walk in the Greek League Finals.

I said doncic has the tools to become an euroleague legend. That his tools are better suited for the euro game. Im talking about diamantidis, papaloukas, jasikevicius, bodiroga type player who were able to play multiple positions and had the smarts, but not the athletic gifts to become nba stars not to mention superstars.

I said doncic has a better chance of becoming a euroleague legend then an anba superstar. You turned my words into: doncic has a better chance to become a euro legend, then an decent nba player. That is what you said, not me

[Marcus]

in the last 20 seasons, how many white guys were picked: 1,2, or 3 in the draft?

1- bogut, bargnani
2 - van horn, milicic,
3 - lafrentz, gasol, dunleavy, morrison, kanter

how many of those were white guards, ball handlers? none.
how many of those were above average? gasol, bogut for a year or 2.

doncic with the tools that he has, can be a solid nba player. and a legend in europe if he returns there.
but he cant be a face of a nba franchise in my opinion.

if he is a top 3-5 pick, he will be always seen as underachieving at the nba level.


rubio was always praised for his court vision, briliant passes, but do they make him a stand out player in the nba? for shure not, as nobody will give the rains to a player averaging 10 ppg., sorry. and the same genius court vision is attributed to doncic alot. will it be enough at the nba level? highly doubtfull. and to everyone saying he is only 18. well yeah, but he wont evolve into a completely different human beiing in 2-4 years. he wont get much faster, he will get a bit stronger, but his game isnt abusing the opposing weaker player in the post or by speed anyways. so i tip, he is limited in his nba potential in my mind

If you don't like his game then you don't like his game. Leave his race out of it. Last chance.

shure, if you say so. no problem. i mentioned race as a factor, because caucasians beeing physically inferior to black athletes in 90%, is a major part of their nba projections. and doncic shure is not in those 10% whos athletic ability matches or tops the black athletes.

i am far from beeing racist, and you perceiving my statement as such surprises me.

and who said i dont like his game? me having an opinion (wich is he could have a solid nba career, or a legend status if he plays the majority of his career in europe) seems to be bothering many here. since i dont think he can be a superstar in the nba is somehow less worth of a opinion then somebody saying he can be a nba superstar? that is unfair to say the least?

Didn't call you racist. Just said stop mentioning his race like it matters.

[19skinnie]

I just wrote a piece analysing Doncic and everything he does on medium. It's pretty in depth and I reckon he'll turn out to be a really good player https://medium.com/@JonMahon/nba-prospect-watch-luka-doncic-7a3cbb37fbd9

[XTraderXL]

Yesterday he played his first game for Slovenian NT. The Russian team they played against was bad, it was basically their C team. I was looking to see what role Luka will have within the offense and it looks like he will be 2nd or maybe 3rd option on offense. He was clearly the best player on both teams yesterday and it wasnt even close. He scored 14p in 13:30 min, had 6 rebounds, 4 assists and 1 TO in 66% shooting.

He looks like he gained quite a bit of muscle, especially shoulders and arms. It was also clear he is more explosive and faster and that he is more aggressive and looking to score much more than he did on Real. It was only the first game against a weak opponent and Goran Dragic did not play but I think we could see a glimpse of what we can expect of him this season, at least on the National team.

[burek3]

Yes, the russians played with their University NT. That's probably equivalent to NCAA (college/university?) age wise. Maybe even skill-wise?
They are preparing for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Summer_Universiade

Doncic demolished them. Easily.

[UcanUwill]

wow, 14/6/4 in 13 minutes in his NT debut. Wish he played in current u18 tournament, can you imagine stat lines he would put up? 30/10/10 would be in play.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Will he play PG and defend SG similiar to Ball in the NBA?

[BlackieMamba]

1. Michael Porter Jr.
2A. Deandre Ayton
2B. Mohamed Bomba
4. Luka Doncic
5. Marvin Bagley (If he's eligible)

Those are all the prospects who have a chance at being the 1st overall pick.

Doncic is a great prospect but Michael Porter is on another level.


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[BoardCrusher]

Will he play PG and defend SG similiar to Ball in the NBA?

It all comes down to, by what team and for what purpose he will be drafted.

If he is gonna be given the keys like Ball, I guess we can expect something like that. Although chances for that to happen are small, perhaps if he has a monster season this year such a role could be offered to him.
But then again, he could also decide to stay in Europe for another year after the draft.

these are all speculations at this time and all depends on this season and upcoming EC

[BoardCrusher]

passing compilation from 2015

Watch on YouTube

[Mulholland]

Watch on YouTube

[UcanUwill]

Watch on YouTube

Some nice passing right there. And, are Russians finally putting away their pijama jerseys? Man, that clothing company was a joke.

[Mirotic12]

wow, 14/6/4 in 13 minutes in his NT debut. Wish he played in current u18 tournament, can you imagine stat lines he would put up? 30/10/10 would be in play.

It was against Russia's Under-22 team though, not their senior team.

[XTraderXL]

Yeah, Russian team was bad. My main focus was to see what his role is going to be in the NT. Obviously, Dragic did not play who will be the primary PG so its still hard to say. What I noticed was that his body looks stronger, he passes with more purpose and confidence and looks lighter on his feet. That dunk looked much more impressive in real time than in slow-mo, I was really surprised how he exploded to the rim. In slow-mo you cant really see it.

Slovenia plays another 2 games over the weekend, team should be complete by then and those games will tell us more.

[PhilBlackson]

1. Michael Porter Jr.
2A. Deandre Ayton
2B. Mohamed Bomba
4. Luka Doncic
5. Marvin Bagley (If he's eligible)

Those are all the prospects who have a chance at being the 1st overall pick.

Doncic is a great prospect but Michael Porter is on another level.


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1. Marvin Bagley
2. Kostas Antentokounmpo
3. Michael Porter Jr
4. DeAndre Ayton
5. Kevin Knox
6. Luka Doncic (sorry just not that sold on him as being a truly elite player)
7. Mo Bomba

All do and that's the order they are for me as of right now. Crazy how deep this past year's draft was but the top end talent of this one smokes it imo.

[SportsGuy8]

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This potato quality video nicely shows just how special Doncic's feel for the game is, how well he reads everything. It's something only a select few possess, and he's only 18.

One might say that defense was terrible, and it definitely was, but we constantly see such defensive brain-farts in the NBA when big men are completely lost under the basket, with no awareness, even from many supposedly "great" defenders ...

[baldur]

he will have two kinda advantages over his counterparts in 2018 draft. first he will three years of professional basketball experience in one of the powerhouses in europe and he is one year younger than ayton, bamba, otto porter, etc. ridiculously early to make an accurate prediction but he will be most likely selected in top 3.

[MalonesElbows]

Yes, I doubt a big gets drafted over him in todays positionless NBA. Porter obviously has a chance claiming #1.

[Prez]

I will never count out a guy with the natural skill and BBIQ that Doncic seems to have. His understanding of the game is just not normal for his age, and he seems to be able to do every move imaginable.