2020 NBA Draft II

No-Man · Post #121 » by **No-Man** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:00 am

Marcus wrote:Highest Floor: Deni Avdija/Obi Toppin
Highest Ceiling: LaMelo Ball
Biggest Boom Bust: Cole Anthony
Best Shooter: Aaron Nesmith
Best Passer: LaMelo Ball
Best Rebounder: James Wiseman/Onyeka Okongwu
Best No1 Option: LaMelo Ball
Most likely to be All defense: Isaac Okoro/Devin Vassell
Biggest Sleeper: Trayce Jackson-Davis
Most Overrated: Jaden McDaniels

BongBoyKlay · Post #122 » by **BongBoyKlay** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:14 am

Marcus wrote:Highest Floor: Obi Toppin
Highest Ceiling: Lamelo Ball
Biggest Boom Bust: Jaden Mcdaniels
Best Shooter: Aaron Nesmith
Best Passer: Lamelo Ball
Best Rebounder: Daniel Oturu/James Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Isaac Okoro
Biggest Sleeper: Jalen Smith
Most Overrated: Nico Mannion

andddddddddddddddd GO!!!!!

King Ken · Post #123 » by **King Ken** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:47 am

My new rankings, in general for FEB

1. Anthony Edwards 6 floor, 9 ceiling tier 2.5
2. LaMelo Ball 6 floor, 9 ceiling tier 2.5
3. Obi Toppin 7.5 floor, 8.5 ceiling tier 2.5
4. Killan Hayes 7.5 floor, 8 ceiling tier 3
5. Onyeka Okongwu 7 floor, 8.5 ceiling tier 3
6. Haliburton 7 floor, 7.5 ceiling tier 3
7. Deni A. 6.5 floor, 8 ceiling tier 3
8. Wiseman 5.5 floor, 9 ceiling tier 3
9. Okoro 6 floor, 8.5 ceiling tier 3
10. Cole Anthony 6 floor, 8.5 ceiling tier 3

This is not anywhere near as good as last year. Tier 3 is much smaller than last year but tier 3 has a lot of PGs with upside so it's a good PG class for me.

I would strongly take Edwards or Ball if I was a team who didn't already have a young core in place.

Both are currently 6s but both are a 7 offensively and 5 defensively. With training, good health, development and a system built around them, these types usually take awhile me move from 5 defensively, maybe a season or more but they tend to go up a full two points on offense and some. Offensive 9s and defensive 5s even as a rookie is really freaking good. Most lottery teams lack an offensive player above 8. So if anyone is worth moving up for, its these two.

I would be more conscious of taking Edwards. Ball should be fine, you gotta to build around him but it will be worth it as playmaking and skill is the most critical thing a PG in today's NBA needs.

King Ken · Post #124 » by **King Ken** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:08 am

Marcus wrote:Highest Floor: Obi Toppin
Highest Ceiling: Ball
Biggest Boom Bust: Edwards
Best Shooter: Joe or Nesmith
Best Passer: Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Okoro
Biggest Sleeper: Tre Jones, I understand his draft range but he could be like Lowry or Mookie Blaylock down the road.

Most Overrated: Scottie Lewis, he could be a player down the road but I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. He needs an entire rookie contract to figure it all out.

andddddddddddddddd GO!!!!!

Stillwater · Post #125 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:31 am

Highest Floor: Wiseman/Hayes
Highest Ceiling:Wiseman/Ramsey
Biggest Boom Bust:Ball/Okoro
Best Shooter: Nesmith /Toppin
Best Passer: Payton Pritchard/Markell Johnson
Best Rebounder: Tyler Bey/ Stewart
Best No1 Option: Wiseman/Anthony/Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: D.Vassell/ Okongwu
Biggest Sleeper:Ty-Shon Alexander/Ochai Agbaji
Most Overrated:Achiuwa/Mcdaniels

LSandersBong · Post #126 » by **LSandersBong** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:12 am

Highest Floor: Isiah Stewart
Highest Ceiling: Jahmius Ramsey
Biggest Boom Bust: Lamelo Ball
Best Shooter: Aaron Nesmith
Best Passer: Tyrese Haliburton
Best Rebounder: James Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards (Doubt he gets there though)
Most likely to be All defense: Scottie Lewis/Ashton Hagans
Biggest Sleeper: Neemias Queta
Most Overrated: Tyrese Maxey

crows2 · Post #127 » by **crows2** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:18 am

Highest Floor: James Wiseman
Highest Ceiling: Anthony Edwards
Biggest Boom Bust: Edwards/LaMelo Ball
Best Shooter: Isaiah Joe
Best Passer: LaMelo Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman/Tyler Bey
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Isaac Okoro/Devin Vassell/Scottie Lewis
Biggest Sleeper: Isaiah Joe
Most Overrated: Nico Mannion

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Highest Floor: Wiseman
Highest Ceiling: Wiseman
Biggest Boom Bust: Ball
Best Shooter: Nesmith
Best Passer: Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Anthony
Most likely to be All defense: Wiseman
Biggest Sleeper: Nesmith
Most Overrated: Ball

RipCity71252 · Post #129 » by **RipCity71252** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:42 am

Highest Floor: Okongwu
Highest Ceiling: Okoro
Biggest Boom Bust: Ball
Best Shooter: Nesmith
Best Passer: Halfcourt: Hayes Transition: Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: "Most Likely High Usage": Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Okongwu
Biggest Sleeper: Tillman
Most Overrated: Edwards

freypies · Post #130 » by **freypies** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:10 am

Highest Floor: Onyeka Okongwu/Killian Hayes
Highest Ceiling: LaMelo Ball
Biggest Boom Bust: Cole Anthony
Best Shooter: Aaron Nesmith
Best Passer: LaMelo Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman? Not sure.
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Tyler Bey/Scottie Lewis/Devin Vassell
Biggest Sleeper: Paul Reed/Kira Lewis/Tyler Bey
Most Overrated: Anthony Edwards/James Wiseman

Post #131 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:54 pm

Highest Floor: Toppin
Highest Ceiling: Okoro
Biggest Boom Bust: LaMelo
Best Shooter: Nesmith/Howard
Best Passer: Ball?
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Scottie Lewis
Biggest Sleeper: Markus Howard/Diakite/Green
Most Overrated: Wiseman

Post #132 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:15 pm

Highest Floor: James Wiseman
Highest Ceiling: Anthony Edwards
Biggest Boom Bust: LaMelo Ball
Best Shooter: Markus Howard
Best Passer: LaMelo Ball
Best Rebounder: James Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Obi Toppin
Most likely to be All defense: Onyeka Okongwu
Biggest Sleeper: Xavier Tillman
Most Overrated: Cole Anthony (but it depends on who's doing the rating)

clyde21 · Post #133 » by **clyde21** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:41 pm

thought about this more

Highest Floor: Obi Toppin
Highest Ceiling: RJ Hampton
Biggest Boom Bust: Jaden McDaniels
Best Shooter: Isaiah Joe / Aaron Nesmith
Best Passer: Tyrese Haliburton
Best Rebounder: James Wiseman / Tyler Bey
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Scottie Lewis
Biggest Sleeper: Ochai Agbaji
Most Overrated: LaMelo Ball

TB · Post #134 » by TB » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:29 am

Highest Floor: Hayes
Highest Ceiling: Wiseman
Biggest Boom Bust: Lewis
Best Shooter: Kispert
Best Passer: Hayes
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Toppin
Most likely to be All defense: Okoro
Biggest Sleeper: Pokusevski
Most Overrated: Anthony

nolang1 · Post #135 » by **nolang1** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:53 pm

Highest Floor: Okongwu
Highest Ceiling: Edwards
Biggest Boom/Bust: Maxey
Best Shooter: Markus Howard
Best Passer: Ball
Best Rebounder: Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Vassell
Biggest Sleeper: Ramsey
Most Overrated: Mannion or Hampton

EMG518 · Post #136 » by **EMG518** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:50 pm

Highest Floor: Tyrese Haliburton
Highest Ceiling: James Wiseman
Biggest Boom/Bust: RJ Hampton
Best Shooter: Markus Howard
Best Passer: Lamelo Ball
Best Rebounder: James Wiseman
Best No1 Option: Anthony Edwards
Most likely to be All defense: Onyeka Okongwu
Biggest Sleeper: Deni Avdija
Most Overrated: Alot of guys, lets say Killian Hayes.

TB · Post #137 » by TB » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:58 pm

Can anyone breakdown what defensive differences they see in some of the top perimeter wing defenders?

Okoro, Lewis, Vassell, any others?

What do y'all see as the pro's/con's of their defensive capabilities?

King Ken · Post #138 » by **King Ken** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:51 am

TB wrote:Can anyone breakdown what defensive differences they see in some of the top perimeter wing defenders?

Okoro, Lewis, Vassell, any others?

What do y'all see as the pro's/con's of their defensive capabilities?

I can't go into too much detail at this time but I like Okoro the most because he reminds me of Torrey Craig defensively. He is an elite on and off-ball defender as a prospect elite at switches, strong with a tremendous frame 6'7 220ish. Can defend 1-3. Good enough wingspan at 6'8, freak athlete. Shows tremendous potential on that end, a special defender for a freshman.

Scottie Lewis defends a lot like a young Kobe Bryant to me. Great defensive playmaker. Tremendous athlete. More so an on the ball threat. Really keeps everything in front of him. Very long (6'10 ws). Probably the most talented defender in this class. He has been late a lot of rotations, could improve in that area for the NBA. Mid-tier versatility 1-2 only. Sadly, his offense ain't it but if you got an extremely strong player dev program and don't put too many ball-handling responsibilities on your wings, maybe he has a chance to be special down the road. MAMBA MENTALITY.

Vassell, he is very intriguing on tape but I don't really like taller wings who defend under 200 pounds. They tend to struggle with the quick and swifty guards, too weak to defend bigger wings, and while they can have success and good metrics, I find them to be matchup limited. That's not against Vassell directly but I have a hard time with these types. They fail so much.

clyde21 · Post #139 » by **clyde21** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:55 am

Ja Morant vs. LaMelo Ball

who ya got as prospects?

King Ken · Post #140 » by **King Ken** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:19 am

clyde21 wrote:Ja Morant vs. LaMelo Ball

who ya got as prospects?

I was one of the guys who was high on Morant last year when RealGM guys weren't so high on him. Morant is the greatest PG prospect I've ever seen in the last 10 years. That doesn't mean I think he will be the best PG in the NBA one day, not at all but I knew his floor and ceiling was very high for a PG. I had those who I was high on for one and not the other or vice versa. He was very high at both.