2020 NBA Draft Combine Thread

[Catchall]

Woodard is starting to intrigue me. As a Blazers fan, watching the series vs the Lakers; specifically GTJR on Lebron, only solidified the need of a thicc wing. Woodard could be that guy; such as Bey (both) or maybe PA from Memphis.

So who do you all take; Tyler Bey, S. Bey, or Woodard AND WHY?

You take Saddiq Bey and it isn't close. Saddiq is a legit 3/D wing and knock-down shooter with size. He doesn't drive the ball, but he plays with IQ and scores the ball all over the floor.

He's going to have some nights where he lights it up. Think TJ Warren.

[Stillwater]

Woodard is starting to intrigue me. As a Blazers fan, watching the series vs the Lakers; specifically GTJR on Lebron, only solidified the need of a thicc wing. Woodard could be that guy; such as Bey (both) or maybe PA from Memphis.

So who do you all take; Tyler Bey, S. Bey, or Woodard AND WHY?

I dont get the Woodard love at all. hes not just a ok passer and ball handler hes completely unremarkable at best at both those things & imo that is terrible red flag he needs the gleague and really the hustle defense and catch and shoot potential despite not shooting well when defended and lacking the dribble drive to get open etc make him a very late first ceiling in one of the weakest drafts in the past 10 years and much more likely a mid 2nd rounder at best in most normal drafts.
I dont think any of these 3 go to Portland where they are picking at, but if any it will be Tyler not Sadiq the latter of which should be unavailable by then and really doesnt offer any defense against guards so maybe isnt their best option if available despite the offensive floor is good. . I have them taking Nesmith or a legit back up pg like Jones if their starter tier sf/pf big board is depleted.
imo their best case scenario would be getting lucky and having P Williams fall to them

[doordoor123]

Woodard is starting to intrigue me. As a Blazers fan, watching the series vs the Lakers; specifically GTJR on Lebron, only solidified the need of a thicc wing. Woodard could be that guy; such as Bey (both) or maybe PA from Memphis.

So who do you all take; Tyler Bey, S. Bey, or Woodard AND WHY?

I dont get the Woodard love at all. hes not just a ok passer and ball handler hes completely unremarkable at best at both those things & imo that is terrible red flag he needs the gleague and really the hustle defense and catch and shoot potential despite not shooting well when defended and lacking the dribble drive to get open etc make him a very late first ceiling in one of the weakest drafts in the past 10 years and much more likely a mid 2nd rounder at best in most normal drafts.
I dont think any of these 3 go to Portland where they are picking at, but if any it will be Tyler not Sadiq the latter of which should be unavailable by then and really doesnt offer any defense against guards so maybe isnt their best option if available despite the offensive floor is good. . I have them taking Nesmith or a legit back up pg like Jones if their starter tier sf/pf big board is depleted.
imo their best case scenario would be getting lucky and having P Williams fall to them

He's a really good passer off of a short roll. He has a great body, average athleticism and he's a solid defender. He also has big hands, which I think is an underrated attribute. He also makes some tough shots. I like him, but I understand the worries. I think he's a fine player.

[big-shot-ROB]

How many guys 6'7" 230 lbs with 7'2" wingspan with his tenacity on defense, athleticism and skill level? He is a lottery talent and if I was in the market for a wing, he'd be first on my board.

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

[BostonCouchGM]

Well for starters, there's Patrick Williams. I'd bet on Isaac Okoro.

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

[Catchall]

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

I would think the main difference between Jaylen Brown and Robert Woodard is that Jaylen can dribble, pass and score much better than Woodard.

[big-shot-ROB]

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

Jaylen was way more fluid in every other aspect of athleticism that doesn't consist on mesureaments though. Woodard's athleticism reminds me of Ojeleye. Great leaper, gym highlight guy, but just doesn't translate against NBA athletes and NBA tight spaces for leaping.

[Stillwater]

except he's 220 lbs not 230 lbs. And he has a 6'11" wingspan not 7'2". There haven't been many guys like Woodard in NBA history. Lots of guys like Williams, Okoro and Miles Bridges that come close but not quite. Closest I can remember with these measurements and athleticism is Lebron who was 6'7.25" in socks, 240 lbs with a 7' wingspan when drafted. Of course he was 18 y/o and we know he grew slightly in height and likely length plus put on size. But he's a freak of nature. It's time people realize what a freak Woodard II is as well. It doesn't say anything about his game but it suggests to me he should have a very high floor and very high ceiling and should be taken higher than a lot of players being mocked to go ahead of him.

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

where do you have Woodard on your draft big board 1 or 2? lol I assume you just like to be right and cant stop arguing about him but the reality is even if you are right and hes being slept on, there is next to no chance someone with as bad a handles as him ever develops into a stud. Not at this late in the process. He literally is trash with the ball in his hands and that kills his draft stock without being an elite shooter like Nesmith who also completely lacks that ball control .I say even if RW does make an impact as a high level role player that doesn't need the ball and will have been worth drafting in the 20s it will be because there are so many meh prospects in this draft with better baseline value for draft purposes that will have never reached apparent potential.

[KqWIN]

Is Jaylen Brown the new Khris Middleton? The guy we compare every single wing to?

In what world do we compare a 30+ usage player to a sub 20% usage player? Brown and Woodard were not similar players in college at all.

[BostonCouchGM]

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

where do you have Woodard on your draft big board 1 or 2? lol I assume you just like to be right and cant stop arguing about him but the reality is even if you are right and hes being slept on, there is next to no chance someone with as bad a handles as him ever develops into a stud. Not at this late in the process. He literally is trash with the ball in his hands and that kills his draft stock without being an elite shooter like Nesmith who also completely lacks that ball control .I say even if RW does make an impact as a high level role player that doesn't need the ball and will have been worth drafting in the 20s it will be because there are so many meh prospects in this draft with better baseline value for draft purposes that will have never reached apparent potential.

this is a draft thread. It's literally why we're here. To post our opinions and try to back them up. lol

I don't know which fraudulent draft "experts" scouting report you read and are regurgitating that told you Woodard has bad handles but maybe stop using that source. For his size and what he was asked to do he has very good handles. It's why he's very high on my Big Board. Initiating the offense and being a high usage player weren't his roles so his assist totals aren't high. He's more than capable of being being a roll man and secondary playmaker at the next level.

[BostonCouchGM]

Brown is at 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan and 225lbs

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

I would think the main difference between Jaylen Brown and Robert Woodard is that Jaylen can dribble, pass and score much better than Woodard.

spoken like someone who clearly hasn't watched Jaylen play.

a) Jaylen objectively has a terrible handle. There are times he literally has to look down at the ball while dribbling. He can't dribble in traffic because he's a turnover waiting to happen.
b) Jaylen is NOT a good passer or playmaker. It's why he doesn't initiate the offense and has a negative turnover/assist ratio
c) Jaylen is a "scorer" because he's elite in transition and shooting wide open corner threes. Things he's almost completely dependent on teammates for

you likely have also never seen Woodard play if you actually think he doesn't have a better handle than Jaylen lol. It'd be hard NOT to have a better handle, that's how bad Jaylen is. Yet, with all of that going against Jaylen, he's got casuals insisting he's an all-star. So why can't Woodard? A steal and a block per game is indicative of a great defender. 43% from three indicates he can at least be a 3 and D like Jaylen. Your debate skills are chef's kiss btw

[BostonCouchGM]

Is Jaylen Brown the new Khris Middleton? The guy we compare every single wing to?

In what world do we compare a 30+ usage player to a sub 20% usage player? Brown and Woodard were not similar players in college at all.

they're being compared because someone erroneously claimed Jaylen had the same size and length. As far as their games in college, you're absolutely right. But in the NBA, even if Woodard never improves, he'll be similar to Jaylen i.e. 3 and D who won't initiate the offense. But if Woodard does improve he could be a secondary playmaker unlike Jaylen.

[KqWIN]

Is Jaylen Brown the new Khris Middleton? The guy we compare every single wing to?

In what world do we compare a 30+ usage player to a sub 20% usage player? Brown and Woodard were not similar players in college at all.

they're being compared because someone erroneously claimed Jaylen had the same size and length. As far as their games in college, you're absolutely right. But in the NBA, even if Woodard never improves, he'll be similar to Jaylen i.e. 3 and D who won't initiate the offense. But if Woodard does improve he could be a secondary playmaker unlike Jaylen.

If you’re up in arms about minor differences in their measurables...I can’t see how you don’t notice the major differences in their games. Jaylen Brown the NBA player is completely different than Robert Woodard. The assertion that Woodard is already where Jaylen is at currently is ridiculous.

[doordoor123]

Is Jaylen Brown the new Khris Middleton? The guy we compare every single wing to?

In what world do we compare a 30+ usage player to a sub 20% usage player? Brown and Woodard were not similar players in college at all.

You mean the new Jimmy Butler?

[Stillwater]

don't be a homer, Jaylen Brown is 6'5.25" in socks w/a 6'11.75" wingspan at 222 lbs. Another almost but not quite. But that's my point. Jaylen was taken #3 in large part because he had a great length/size/athleticism combination and here's someone in Woodard with better or equal in every way and he's considered late 1st. People are seriously sleeping on him. All the reasons there was upside with Jaylen and reasons to take him apply to Woodard.

where do you have Woodard on your draft big board 1 or 2? lol I assume you just like to be right and cant stop arguing about him but the reality is even if you are right and hes being slept on, there is next to no chance someone with as bad a handles as him ever develops into a stud. Not at this late in the process. He literally is trash with the ball in his hands and that kills his draft stock without being an elite shooter like Nesmith who also completely lacks that ball control .I say even if RW does make an impact as a high level role player that doesn't need the ball and will have been worth drafting in the 20s it will be because there are so many meh prospects in this draft with better baseline value for draft purposes that will have never reached apparent potential.

this is a draft thread. It's literally why we're here. To post our opinions and try to back them up. lol

I don't know which fraudulent draft "experts" scouting report you read and are regurgitating that told you Woodard has bad handles but maybe stop using that source. For his size and what he was asked to do he has very good handles. It's why he's very high on my Big Board. Initiating the offense and being a high usage player weren't his roles so his assist totals aren't high. He's more than capable of being being a roll man and secondary playmaker at the next level.

ok, i think his handles are trash its not some copy and paste plagiarism response. If you think he has good handles I cant help you
https://youtu.be/fPD4op0FsHM?t=88
look at 1:28 etc

Watch on YouTube

[doordoor123]

Im really not getting the Patrick Williams stuff. I like his tools and think he has potential, but any time someone rises the way he is they end up not working out. This stuff also usually happens in bad drafts, which doesn't bode well for this draft overall. Think of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Marquese Chriss, Elfrid Payton. These are the kind of players this has happened to.

[BadWolf]

or Paul George

[EMG518]

Disappointed with Achiuwas measurements. I didn't expect him to be under 6'8" bare foot. He looked taller on tape. I guess that makes more sense though with how athletic the guy is.

[BlazersBroncos]

Disappointed with Achiuwas measurements. I didn't expect him to be under 6'8" bare foot. He looked taller on tape. I guess that makes more sense though with how athletic the guy is.

He never looked as big or athletic as some like to advertise when I watched him. I think he is a late R1 talent. Pure hustle guy.

[doordoor123]

Disappointed with Achiuwas measurements. I didn't expect him to be under 6'8" bare foot. He looked taller on tape. I guess that makes more sense though with how athletic the guy is.

I don’t know what you’d expect. I was expecting to be around 6’8. He’s an undersized 5 who has the best motor in this draft. I think he can be as good of a defender as Okoro and both have a very similar skills with different kinds of athleticism and bodies at different positions. Plus Bam Adebayo was 6’8 without shoes. Still I’m very curious where guys like Achiuwa and Okoro go. These guys aren’t good free throw shooters, they’re pretty raw overall, but both are high-end fast-break players who can really defend. Typically these guys fall in the draft farther than projections, like Nassir Little and Keldon Johnson last year. It’ll be interesting to see if both fall or neither do.