Brandon Miller - Alabama

[The-Power]

Genuine question: who was the last prospect who had Miller's combination of length, ball handling and shooting ability? He's a plus passer and rebounder for his size/position, too, but let's just focus on the first three aspects.

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Genuine question: who was the last prospect who had Miller's combination of length, ball handling and shooting ability? He's a plus passer and rebounder for his size/position, too, but let's just focus on the first three aspects.

His ball handling is meh. Passing he shows flashes but that can go either way. Franz Wagner, for example, wasn't nearly the shooter but I'd take him in every other category you listed. You seem very high on the kid so you won't probably agree on that, so then you'd have to say the 2 Dukies (Ingram and Tatum).

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Genuine question: who was the last prospect who had Miller's combination of length, ball handling and shooting ability? He's a plus passer and rebounder for his size/position, too, but let's just focus on the first three aspects.

His ball handling is meh. Passing he shows flashes but that can go either way. Franz Wagner, for example, wasn't nearly the shooter but I'd take him in every other category you listed. You seem very high on the kid so you won't probably agree on that, so then you'd have to say the 2 Dukies (Ingram and Tatum).

Wagner could literally not dribble the ball with his left hand at Michigan. He could definitely not handle the ball like Miller.

Tatum only shot 34% from 3 at Duke.

Ingram seems to be the closest comp..

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Genuine question: who was the last prospect who had Miller's combination of length, ball handling and shooting ability? He's a plus passer and rebounder for his size/position, too, but let's just focus on the first three aspects.

His ball handling is meh. Passing he shows flashes but that can go either way. Franz Wagner, for example, wasn't nearly the shooter but I'd take him in every other category you listed. You seem very high on the kid so you won't probably agree on that, so then you'd have to say the 2 Dukies (Ingram and Tatum).

Wagner could literally not dribble the ball with his left hand at Michigan. He could definitely not handle the ball like Miller.

Even if I give you that, Wagner was way more adept at carving out space and getting to the rim in the halfcourt than Miller. Miller looks good handling when he has space and time to build up momentum but otherwise just shoots over guys in the halfcourt.

Miller is the best shooter of the bunch but also older than most of them at the stage and when it comes to other areas like passing, defense, halfcourt scoring then he lags behind many of the names stated so far. Ingram probably is the closest comp of the recent high lotto wings so we agree there but Ingram was the better ballhandler/passer IMO and thats despite being younger/less physically developed as a freshman.

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His ball handling is meh. Passing he shows flashes but that can go either way. Franz Wagner, for example, wasn't nearly the shooter but I'd take him in every other category you listed. You seem very high on the kid so you won't probably agree on that, so then you'd have to say the 2 Dukies (Ingram and Tatum).

Wagner could literally not dribble the ball with his left hand at Michigan. He could definitely not handle the ball like Miller.

Even if I give you that, Wagner was way more adept at carving out space and getting to the rim in the halfcourt than Miller. Miller looks good handling when he has space and time to build up momentum but otherwise just shoots over guys in the halfcourt.

Miller is the best shooter of the bunch but also older than most of them at the stage and when it comes to other areas like passing, defense, halfcourt scoring then he lags behind many of the names stated so far. Ingram probably is the closest comp of the recent high lotto wings so we agree there but Ingram was the better ballhandler/passer IMO and thats despite being younger/less physically developed as a freshman.

The bold part is debatable.

Miller has a higher assist % than Ingram had at Duke. Miller had a higher 3 pt % and higher PPG. Ingram was younger as a freshman, but they were both still freshmen, playing their first season of college basketball.

The guy didn't ask if Miller was a better prospect than Ingram though, so no sense in getting down a rabbit hole debating that. He simply asked, who's the last prospect with the combination of length, handle and shooting that Miller has. That's all.

It appears to be Ingram.

And if the closest comps we can come up with are Ingram, Franz, Tatum, Banchero and Durant, that is pretty good company to be in if you're Brandon Miller.

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Wagner could literally not dribble the ball with his left hand at Michigan. He could definitely not handle the ball like Miller.

Even if I give you that, Wagner was way more adept at carving out space and getting to the rim in the halfcourt than Miller. Miller looks good handling when he has space and time to build up momentum but otherwise just shoots over guys in the halfcourt.

Miller is the best shooter of the bunch but also older than most of them at the stage and when it comes to other areas like passing, defense, halfcourt scoring then he lags behind many of the names stated so far. Ingram probably is the closest comp of the recent high lotto wings so we agree there but Ingram was the better ballhandler/passer IMO and thats despite being younger/less physically developed as a freshman.

The bold part is debatable.

Miller has a higher assist % than Ingram had at Duke. Miller had a higher 3 pt % and higher PPG. Ingram was younger as a freshman, but they were both still freshmen, playing their first season of college basketball.

The guy didn't ask if Miller was a better prospect than Ingram though, so no sense in getting down a rabbit hole debating that. He simply asked, who's the last prospect with the combination of length, handle and shooting that Miller has. That's all.

It appears to be Ingram.

And if the closest comps we can come up with are Ingram, Franz, Tatum, Banchero and Durant, that is pretty good company to be in if you're Brandon Miller.

I don't disagree and only following up on some of the comparisons you made.

The question if not limited to a specific time window then guys like Middleton and Otto Porter Jr join that fray to show there is a wider diversify of outcomes than All NBA franchise cornerstone. Otto Porter to Wagner to Middleton to Ingram is a wide range.

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Even if I give you that, Wagner was way more adept at carving out space and getting to the rim in the halfcourt than Miller. Miller looks good handling when he has space and time to build up momentum but otherwise just shoots over guys in the halfcourt.

Miller is the best shooter of the bunch but also older than most of them at the stage and when it comes to other areas like passing, defense, halfcourt scoring then he lags behind many of the names stated so far. Ingram probably is the closest comp of the recent high lotto wings so we agree there but Ingram was the better ballhandler/passer IMO and thats despite being younger/less physically developed as a freshman.

The bold part is debatable.

Miller has a higher assist % than Ingram had at Duke. Miller had a higher 3 pt % and higher PPG. Ingram was younger as a freshman, but they were both still freshmen, playing their first season of college basketball.

The guy didn't ask if Miller was a better prospect than Ingram though, so no sense in getting down a rabbit hole debating that. He simply asked, who's the last prospect with the combination of length, handle and shooting that Miller has. That's all.

It appears to be Ingram.

And if the closest comps we can come up with are Ingram, Franz, Tatum, Banchero and Durant, that is pretty good company to be in if you're Brandon Miller.

I don't disagree and only following up on some of the comparisons you made.

The question if not limited to a specific time window then guys like Middleton and Otto Porter Jr join that fray to show there is a wider diversify of outcomes than All NBA franchise cornerstone. Otto Porter to Wagner to Middleton to Ingram is a wide range.

Otto Porter is an outlier. Everyone else turned out to be a star (Middleton, KD, tatum, banchero, ingram, franz. Even Michael Porter Jr if you want to include him). Middleton doesn't really have the length of Miller either - plus he was a 2nd round pick.

Otto Porter Jr just hasn't developed into a star. He's had tons of injuries and just hasn't reached his potential - not every player will. There's outliers for everything.

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The bold part is debatable.

Miller has a higher assist % than Ingram had at Duke. Miller had a higher 3 pt % and higher PPG. Ingram was younger as a freshman, but they were both still freshmen, playing their first season of college basketball.

The guy didn't ask if Miller was a better prospect than Ingram though, so no sense in getting down a rabbit hole debating that. He simply asked, who's the last prospect with the combination of length, handle and shooting that Miller has. That's all.

It appears to be Ingram.

And if the closest comps we can come up with are Ingram, Franz, Tatum, Banchero and Durant, that is pretty good company to be in if you're Brandon Miller.

I don't disagree and only following up on some of the comparisons you made.

The question if not limited to a specific time window then guys like Middleton and Otto Porter Jr join that fray to show there is a wider diversify of outcomes than All NBA franchise cornerstone. Otto Porter to Wagner to Middleton to Ingram is a wide range.

Otto Porter is an outlier. Everyone else turned out to be a star (Middleton, KD, tatum, banchero, ingram, franz. Even Michael Porter Jr if you want to include him). Middleton doesn't really have the length of Miller either - plus he was a 2nd round pick.

Otto Porter Jr just hasn't developed into a star. He's had tons of injuries and just hasn't reached his potential - not every player will. There's outliers for everything.

I think he has a very high floor and Otto Porter would be an outlier outcome just like KD or Tatum would.

[The-Power]

Genuine question: who was the last prospect who had Miller's combination of length, ball handling and shooting ability? He's a plus passer and rebounder for his size/position, too, but let's just focus on the first three aspects.

His ball handling is meh. Passing he shows flashes but that can go either way. Franz Wagner, for example, wasn't nearly the shooter but I'd take him in every other category you listed. You seem very high on the kid so you won't probably agree on that, so then you'd have to say the 2 Dukies (Ingram and Tatum).

I think you're underrating his handles a bit if you think it's ‘meh’ for his size. But that's all debatable.

As you say, Wagner was not nearly the shooter. Even if you view him as a better prospect, he doesn't fit the bill. It's specifically about that combo of attributes; I'm obviously not contending that he's one of the best prospects over the years.

Neither Tatum (from deep) nor Ingram (from the line) had quite his shooting indicators but they are good mentions nonetheless. And I think that just demonstrates that Miller is in quite a special company here. Paul George is another name to mention, although this goes even further back.

[jezzerinho]

Miller's situation reminds me of Haliburton's and there are quite a few parallels between them. Smart, efficient players who made a big 2nd season leap and very evidently make their team better by using BBIQ and effort to make the right decisions. Neither is a standout athlete but neither of them can be sped up, they know how to play at their own cadence.

I'd be pretty confident Miller can be a very tidy pro though maybe won't have a Hali type impact purely due to him not having the same usage.

[The-Power]

Miller's situation reminds me of Haliburton's and there are quite a few parallels between them. Smart, efficient players who made a big 2nd season leap and very evidently make their team better by using BBIQ and effort to make the right decisions. Neither is a standout athlete but neither of them can be sped up, they know how to play at their own cadence.

I'd be pretty confident Miller can be a very tidy pro though maybe won't have a Hali type impact purely due to him not having the same usage.

Are we talking about the same Miller?

[The-Power]

First 7 games : 18/55 2pt (32%)
Last 10 games : 31/52 2pt (61%)

Last 8 games (since this post): 29/52 on 2s (56%)

Seems like he settled in and continues to be efficient from 2 after the poor start. He seems to have improved considerably in terms of probing the defense on his drives and changing speed and directions with the ball in his hands, and he even had some good post-up finishes over the last couple games. That gives me hope that he can be a more consistent on-ball creator at the next level than I thought at the start of the season.

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I thought last nights game vs a great Tennessee defense kind of exemplified what I meant by "meh" handle. He had 1 nice change of direction where he made his man drop, but Rick Barnes put a small, strong, stout defender with good foot speed on him and Miller couldn't get anywhere in the halfcourt. In transition and offball, however, he was a problem.

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I don't disagree and only following up on some of the comparisons you made.

The question if not limited to a specific time window then guys like Middleton and Otto Porter Jr join that fray to show there is a wider diversify of outcomes than All NBA franchise cornerstone. Otto Porter to Wagner to Middleton to Ingram is a wide range.

Otto Porter is an outlier. Everyone else turned out to be a star (Middleton, KD, tatum, banchero, ingram, franz. Even Michael Porter Jr if you want to include him). Middleton doesn't really have the length of Miller either - plus he was a 2nd round pick.

Otto Porter Jr just hasn't developed into a star. He's had tons of injuries and just hasn't reached his potential - not every player will. There's outliers for everything.

I think he has a very high floor and Otto Porter would be an outlier outcome just like KD or Tatum would.

That's fair. Certainly not expecting a Tatum or KD outcome. The closest comps I see are Ingram and paul George. Maybe a little bit of Franz, Michael Porter Jr and Jabari Smith Jr..

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[CptCrunch]

Just we are on the same page, everyone is in agreement Jabari Smith Jr is the far better prospect right?

Of course ignore Jabari's current season

[clyde21]

ofc Jabari is a better prospect, but Bari is a 4/5, Miller's a 3/4. Miller isn't logging any minutes at the 5 in the NBA under any scenario.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Just we are on the same page, everyone is in agreement Jabari Smith Jr is the far better prospect right?

Of course ignore Jabari's current season

hard to say. miller's a wing, jabari is a big. miller's game is more diverse. jabari was a great prospect though in spite of the struggles we're seeing rn.

[mattao313]

Just we are on the same page, everyone is in agreement Jabari Smith Jr is the far better prospect right?

Of course ignore Jabari's current season

Good question I honestly think they're equal. I always thought Smith was a 3&D guy miller looks that way too even tho he has a little bit better handle than Smith.

But for some reason I like Miller more.

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