Summer League Discussion

Post #121 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:30 am

MotownMadness wrote:I'm probably gonna be eating crow on this kid lol

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A lot of actual GMs will be too.

big-shot-ROB · Post #122 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:35 am

Meh, I still don't see it with Whitmore. I think he's just a bench piece and I have huge concerns about how he's going to impact winning overall. He looks really small tbh and I don't think physically he's going to outmatch everyone with the big boyz.

20 might've been too low also (I think it was more a cause of teams just have their boards and when someone falls unexpectedly they're not brave enough to adjust since they haven't fully preprared and scouted for that player to be there, we've seen falls be quite big once they happen and I think that's the reason), but from what I've seen this SL i'd still take everyone drafted before Keyonte other than maybe Bufkin, Dick and Howard over him.

MotownMadness · Post #123 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:59 am

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Colbinii · Post #124 » by **Colbinii** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:29 pm

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My new comparison is Modern Day Baron Davis.

MotownMadness · Post #125 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:28 pm

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clyde21 · Post #126 » by **clyde21** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:26 pm

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tmorgan · Post #127 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:51 pm

Colbinii wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:

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My new comparison is Modern Day Baron Davis.

Taller Baron would be pretty scary. We’ll see.

Still thinking Iguodala is a very good comp for Ausar in particular. Amen has more reps as a ball handler, he’s more Baron.

EvanZ · Post #128 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:20 am

Wouldn’t Grant Hill, Penny and TMac be the optimistic comps for Amen?

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tmorgan · Post #129 » by **tmorgan** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:47 am

EvanZ wrote:Wouldn’t Grant Hill, Penny and TMac be the optimistic comps for Amen?

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I don’t see that kind of scorer out of either Thompson. I mean, serious development is certainly possible, but both have slow release shots without much elevation right now. Odd for such monstrous athletes.

Chuck Everett · Post #130 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:50 am

Colbinii wrote:
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Plus 4.5 inches. Guy has the athleticism and springs of Ja Morant/Russ Westbrook at 6'7.

EvanZ · Post #131 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:27 pm

tmorgan wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Wouldn’t Grant Hill, Penny and TMac be the optimistic comps for Amen?

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I don’t see that kind of scorer out of either Thompson. I mean, serious development is certainly possible, but both have slow release shots without much elevation right now. Odd for such monstrous athletes.

Sorry remind me which of Grant Hill, Penny or TMac were great 3pt shooters?

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tmorgan · Post #132 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:06 am

EvanZ wrote:
tmorgan wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Wouldn’t Grant Hill, Penny and TMac be the optimistic comps for Amen?

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I don’t see that kind of scorer out of either Thompson. I mean, serious development is certainly possible, but both have slow release shots without much elevation right now. Odd for such monstrous athletes.

Sorry remind me which of Grant Hill, Penny or TMac were great 3pt shooters?

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For his era, McGrady was a volume three point shooter with deep range and average conversion rate.

Grant Hill basically did not shoot threes, but took a ton of mid range jumpers off the dribble.

Penny was less of a scorer, and somewhere in between.

I suspect you knew all that. Amen and Ausar have very suspect looking jumpers from any range. That will need to improve greatly to become 20 ppg scorers from any distance, unless their teams are 5-out enough to give them room to operate. Detroit certainly is not, and I doubt Ausar will get the shot attempts any time soon. I won’t speak on Amen and Houston, but I suspect the number of “get theirs” players will also keep his attempts down.

ThatBoyNick · Post #133 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:10 am

Thompson twins remind me so much of Iguodala, which I'd be ecstatic about landing at 4/5.

Whitmore's BIG weakness has been ... awfully quiet so far. 11 assists in 5 games, has been making good reads, and has been willingly moving the ball.

big-shot-ROB wrote:Meh, I still don't see it with Whitmore. I think he's just a bench piece and I have huge concerns about how he's going to impact winning overall. He looks really small tbh and I don't think physically he's going to outmatch everyone with the big boyz.

Interesting considering your avatar, Whitmore's coming into the league younger, half an inch taller, 12 pounds heavier, and with the same vertical as Brown

If I had to give Cam a comp...

tundraknight · Post #134 » by **tundraknight** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:26 am

Emoni Bates actually looks more well rounded than advertised so far.

EvanZ · Post #135 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:39 pm

tmorgan wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
tmorgan wrote:
I don’t see that kind of scorer out of either Thompson. I mean, serious development is certainly possible, but both have slow release shots without much elevation right now. Odd for such monstrous athletes.

Sorry remind me which of Grant Hill, Penny or TMac were great 3pt shooters?

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For his era, McGrady was a volume three point shooter with deep range and average conversion rate.

Grant Hill basically did not shoot threes, but took a ton of mid range jumpers off the dribble.

Penny was less of a scorer, and somewhere in between.

I suspect you knew all that. Amen and Ausar have very suspect looking jumpers from any range. That will need to improve greatly to become 20 ppg scorers from any distance, unless their teams are 5-out enough to give them room to operate. Detroit certainly is not, and I doubt Ausar will get the shot attempts any time soon. I won’t speak on Amen and Houston, but I suspect the number of “get theirs” players will also keep his attempts down.

Point is none of those stars were great shooters, average at best, bad at worst. The Thompson twins don't have to be more than average or even slightly below average shooters to be stars, if all the other stuff is as good as people say it is (I'm still skeptical).

We have an existing proof point of this in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He's an awful shooter, but somehow he's a fringe MVP candidate. Apparently, if you are good enough elsewhere that is still possible even as a guard even in today's game.

I suspect you knew that.

tmorgan · Post #136 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:06 pm

EvanZ wrote:Point is none of those stars were great shooters, average at best, bad at worst. The Thompson twins don't have to be more than average or even slightly below average shooters to be stars, if all the other stuff is as good as people say it is (I'm still skeptical).

We have an existing proof point of this in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He's an awful shooter, but somehow he's a fringe MVP candidate. Apparently, if you are good enough elsewhere that is still possible even as a guard even in today's game.

I suspect you knew that.

SGA is not an awful shooter — he just lacks range — but point taken. He also got 20 shots a game, is elite at drawing fouls, and shot 90% from the line. Not an easy model to follow. But yes, it can be done.

ThatBoyNick · Post #137 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:12 pm

SGA is a phenomenal mid range shooter, and scorer overall, I’m not seeing that, or Hill or McGrady, I’ll repeat

With the FATE OF THE UNIVERSE ON THE LINE, I’m taking ANDRE IGUODALA as the Thompson twins comp

EvanZ · Post #138 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:18 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:SGA is a phenomenal mid range shooter, and scorer overall, I’m not seeing that, or Hill or McGrady, I’ll repeat

With the FATE OF THE UNIVERSE ON THE LINE, I’m taking ANDRE IGUODALA as the Thompson twins comp

I didn't say SGA was a comp. It's simply that we have an example of a modern offensive star that doesn't rely on 3pt shooting, so it is possible.

My original comp for the TT's was Iggy though, so it's not like I'm fundamentally disagreeing with it.

bucknut · Post #139 » by **bucknut** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:49 pm

The Detroit Thompson looks like young afro kobe in body movement. Surprised no one has mentioned it. Obviously not skill....but just body look and way they move. I'd say he has kobe athleticism with iguadala offensive repertoire

Thing that surprised me coming from that overtime is he plays team ball and within himself and moves the ball......right now projects as a solid glue guy who makes his teammates better with the athleticism to be so so much more.

Houston Thompson moves different i'm not seeing kobe.........thing about him is that little push shot floater could be all he needs if he doesn't get a jumper an elite floater could be unstoppable for him

big-shot-ROB · Post #140 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:55 am

ThatBoyNick wrote:Thompson twins remind me so much of Iguodala, which I'd be ecstatic about landing at 4/5.

Whitmore's BIG weakness has been ... awfully quiet so far. 11 assists in 5 games, has been making good reads, and has been willingly moving the ball.

big-shot-ROB wrote:Meh, I still don't see it with Whitmore. I think he's just a bench piece and I have huge concerns about how he's going to impact winning overall. He looks really small tbh and I don't think physically he's going to outmatch everyone with the big boyz.

Interesting considering your avatar, Whitmore's coming into the league younger, half an inch taller, 12 pounds heavier, and with the same vertical as Brown

If I had to give Cam a comp...

Jaylen Brown development curve makes no absolute sense and is not close to the median outcome. Whitmore isn't half an inch taller than Brown either, he looks 6'5 by all accounts.
I love Jaylen Brown but sometimes I don't even understand how a player as dumb basketball wise as him is putting 26 PPG. Whitmore is even dumber and I'd put my mouth in him never reaching brown skill level