Alex Sarr

[Hal14]

The comparisons to Giannis and Dwight are just so weird. Those guys are generationally strong and explosive and so-so at lateral movement and Sarr has high level lateral movement and below average strength and explosion.

Another classic realgm comment

Giannis and Dwight were not "generationally strong" at age 19

So what? They ended up being generationally strong in the NBA. They're outliers. Once in a decade..meaning the chances Sarr becomes that strong are slim to none..

[kulaz3000]

The comparisons to Giannis and Dwight are just so weird. Those guys are generationally strong and explosive and so-so at lateral movement and Sarr has high level lateral movement and below average strength and explosion.

Another classic realgm comment

Giannis and Dwight were not "generationally strong" at age 19

So what? They ended up being generationally strong in the NBA. They're outliers. Once in a decade..meaning the chances Sarr becomes that strong are slim to none..

To say that a player who is a skinny teen, becoming strong with elite level of nutritional and physical program support being slim to none, has to be a joke right? Now, is it a given that he will become as strong as either of those two player? Perhaps, or perhaps not, depending on his own individual motivations, but even if he doesn't reach those two players physical statue, doesn't mean he can't get much stronger.

[coutournant]

Sarr quietly gained 10 pounds since the beginning of the season. There's no hurry, young men are getting naturally stronger until 25-30 years old, he's only 19. He'll easily reach 240 without losing athleticism

[Hal14]

Another classic realgm comment

Giannis and Dwight were not "generationally strong" at age 19

So what? They ended up being generationally strong in the NBA. They're outliers. Once in a decade..meaning the chances Sarr becomes that strong are slim to none..

To say that a player who is a skinny teen, becoming strong with elite level of nutritional and physical program support being slim to none, has to be a joke right? Now, is it a given that he will become as strong as either of those two player? Perhaps, or perhaps not, depending on his own individual motivations, but even if he doesn't reach those two players physical statue, doesn't mean he can't get much stronger.

Don't twist my words around.

I didn't say Sarr couldn't become "strong"..but odds are he won't be generationally strong". Just like odds are Zaccharie Risacher won't be as good a shooter as Klay Thompson.

[raleigh]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Do me the favor of identifying the Hawks fans in this thread. We'll see if your comment holds up.

[God Squad]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Do me the favor of identifying the Hawks fans in this thread. We'll see if your comment holds up.

Do yourself a favor and go back 1-2 pages.

[raleigh]

Do yourself a favor and go back 1-2 pages.

Mm-hmm. I figured you'd fold if someone called your bluff.

Maybe next time don't paint with such a broad brush, okay?

[HMFFL]

Sarr quietly gained 10 pounds since the beginning of the season. There's no hurry, young men are getting naturally stronger until 25-30 years old, he's only 19. He'll easily reach 240 without losing athleticism

He's ready to compete.
I respect him.grtting ready for the next chapter in his life. I wish him well.

[King Ken]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Hawks fan here. I think he's awful but there are Hawk fans who are delusional. They love his talent and upside and because they like him more than the others, they dishonestly raise his floor to levels of players far superior like Nic Claxton to justify taking him #1 when he's nowhere close at this stage. I don't exactly disagree with them on his ceiling, it's his floor and I don't believe progression is linear and I don't see the fit at all with Atlanta.

[God Squad]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Hawks fan here. I think he's awful but there are Hawk fans who are delusional. They love his talent and upside and because they like him more than the others, they dishonestly raise his floor to levels of players far superior like Nic Claxton to justify taking him #1 when he's nowhere close at this stage. I don't exactly disagree with them on his ceiling, it's his floor and I don't believe progression is linear and I don't see the fit at all with Atlanta.

I have no problem with people thinking he's #1. It's the convincing to others/going back and forth that's weird when all these prospects have been discussed at Nausaim. I also think he has a low floor, but what do you consider his ceiling? I think Claxton would be a pretty good bet, some of the Raptors board have floated subpar Mobley around.

[CptCrunch]

Just gonna write a key point.

Sarr is no where near the consensus #1. One thing most here won't understand is that the CBA requires a player to be ranked #1 and placed into their own tier. Sarr got the plurality of the weighted votes.

This whole mythos of Sarr being the one player in his own tier is a misguided belief parroted by the typical pre-draft media.

Sarr is closed to #3 than he is to #1. I wouldn't be surprised if he is drafted #4/5 on draft night.

Reed, Castle, Dilly, Topic, Matas all have good arguments of going over Sarr.

[FarBeyondDriven]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Hawks fan here. I think he's awful but there are Hawk fans who are delusional. They love his talent and upside and because they like him more than the others, they dishonestly raise his floor to levels of players far superior like Nic Claxton to justify taking him #1 when he's nowhere close at this stage. I don't exactly disagree with them on his ceiling, it's his floor and I don't believe progression is linear and I don't see the fit at all with Atlanta.

so they're delusional because they like him but you're not delusional because you think he's awful?

[FarBeyondDriven]

Just gonna write a key point.

Sarr is no where near the consensus #1. One thing most here won't understand is that the CBA requires a player to be ranked #1 and placed into their own tier. Sarr got the plurality of the weighted votes.

This whole mythos of Sarr being the one player in his own tier is a misguided belief parroted by the typical pre-draft media.

Sarr is closed to #3 than he is to #1. I wouldn't be surprised if he is drafted #4/5 on draft night.

Reed, Castle, Dilly, Topic, Matas all have good arguments of going over Sarr.

who is even saying he's consensus #1? Many mocks have Risacher as the #1. Seems like a false narrative claiming he's being touted as consensus. But why? What's the point?

[DOT]

I have him #2

I get why people don't like Dillingham, and I'm not super confident about him either, but I feel like he's the only one I really see as being a #1 option, and that's how I differentiate guys at the top

I feel safest about Sarr, but I just see his ceiling as current Evan Mobley. Good player, kind of positionless in a bad way.

[King Ken]

It's kinda funny seeing Hawks fans try and convince people that Sarr is the obvious #1 pick and he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson jr, Giannis and Dwight Howard.

Hawks fan here. I think he's awful but there are Hawk fans who are delusional. They love his talent and upside and because they like him more than the others, they dishonestly raise his floor to levels of players far superior like Nic Claxton to justify taking him #1 when he's nowhere close at this stage. I don't exactly disagree with them on his ceiling, it's his floor and I don't believe progression is linear and I don't see the fit at all with Atlanta.

so they're delusional because they like him but you're not delusional because you think he's awful?

I don't believe he's awful because he's awful. The game film is really bad on offense and guys with no position and bad offense have had insane bust rates over the years regardless of their individual talents.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Hawks fan here. I think he's awful but there are Hawk fans who are delusional. They love his talent and upside and because they like him more than the others, they dishonestly raise his floor to levels of players far superior like Nic Claxton to justify taking him #1 when he's nowhere close at this stage. I don't exactly disagree with them on his ceiling, it's his floor and I don't believe progression is linear and I don't see the fit at all with Atlanta.

so they're delusional because they like him but you're not delusional because you think he's awful?

I don't believe he's awful because he's awful. The game film is really bad on offense and guys with no position and bad offense have had insane bust rates over the years regardless of their individual talents.

riiiiight. Imagine what Embiid looked like at 18 y/o or Giannis I bet if you were scouting them you'd have found them awful too. Good thing teams aren't drafting these prospects for the players they are at 18 y/o but for the players they'll be from age 24-34

[kg01]

Do yourself a favor and go back 1-2 pages.

Mm-hmm. I figured you'd fold if someone called your bluff.

Maybe next time don't paint with such a broad brush, okay?

Yeah Hawks fans obviously know there's no consensus #1 this year. Many of us like this guy because of his potential long term and like the idea of adding length and defense in the near term.

That's it.

Calling us delusional and dishonest (lookin at you, KK), is rich.

[JMAC3]

Very likely to be a top 5-6 pick in a redraft 3-4 yrs down the line IMO. Very unlikely to be a top 3 pick in a potential redraft.

[King Ken]

so they're delusional because they like him but you're not delusional because you think he's awful?

I don't believe he's awful because he's awful. The game film is really bad on offense and guys with no position and bad offense have had insane bust rates over the years regardless of their individual talents.

riiiiight. Imagine what Embiid looked like at 18 y/o or Giannis I bet if you were scouting them you'd have found them awful too. Good thing teams aren't drafting these prospects for the players they are at 18 y/o but for the players they'll be from age 24-34

I reviewed both at 18 and both had much higher floors than Sarr. If Giannis worked out with more teams than the Hawks, he would have been drafted 1st overall

[FarBeyondDriven]

I don't believe he's awful because he's awful. The game film is really bad on offense and guys with no position and bad offense have had insane bust rates over the years regardless of their individual talents.

riiiiight. Imagine what Embiid looked like at 18 y/o or Giannis I bet if you were scouting them you'd have found them awful too. Good thing teams aren't drafting these prospects for the players they are at 18 y/o but for the players they'll be from age 24-34

I reviewed both at 18 and both had much higher floors than Sarr. If Giannis worked out with more teams than the Hawks, he would have been drafted 1st overall

sure you did. What about Embiid's 11-8-1 freshmen season made you think he had a higher floor? Remember, college Embiid and the Embiid we saw three seasons later as a 22 y/o rookie were not anywhere near the same player. He didn't shoot threes and he was a poor FT shooter as well. I'd love to read your evaluation of him prior to the 2014 draft

Giannis was a complete mystery to teams. I'm guessing you barely knew who he was. Me thinks you're full of it and using revisionist history to try and justify you being low on Sarr. Giannis played in a garbage Greek league and put up 11-5-1. While he had good length and athleticism he was extremely skinny and raw. Why would you view a shorter and just as raw Giannis as having a higher floor than Sarr? Especially when Sarr has had more international success?

Both Giannis and Embiid needed years of development to become the great players they were. In both instances they were extremely gifted physically like Sarr. Neither showed as much or more at 18 y/o than Sarr has. Artificially limiting Sarr and his potential would have been like doing the same to 19 y/o Giannis and Embiid. It seems very arbitrary. I'm not suggesting he'll be as good as either, just that he at least has the potential to be.