Jan Vesely

[Sloopy]

..and without the cool nickname.

...and without the defense

and without actually being andrei kirilenko

and without the tatoo

[sisibilio]

And without the once a year allowance to...you know.

[Joshuan3]

lol steal of the draft, i actually expected him to turn out nice but i guess i was wrong

[Juggynaut]

He's the worst pick of the 2011 draft. Chris Singleton was also a bad pick, Wizards stunk their 2011 draft. Faried would have been such a nice fit with John Wall.

[Knighthonor]

Lol at the first page here

[Umbra]

He's the worst pick of the 2011 draft. Chris Singleton was also a bad pick, Wizards stunk their 2011 draft. Faried would have been such a nice fit with John Wall.

Leonard (although that would have been a stretch) and Faried with Beal and Wall is a playoff team in two years. If they manage to get a solid 5 in this draft then they would have had a fantastic future a head of them.

[pohani komarac]

He is system player. I bet if he is in Spurs he would be lot better

[Johnlac1]

Vesely might be the answer to the question that if youre looking for a Euro big man to help your club, do you (1) pick the young, underskilled, super-athlete Vesely or (2) do you pick the older, skilled, non-great athlete like Luis Scola? Certainly, it looks quite in favor of the Luis Scolas of the world who give you numbers. Luis won't be in the hof, but his career numbers his first few years in the league certainly outstrip Vesely's meager output. Vesely is not alone as an example of an NBA club picking a raw, great athlete and hoping for the best. Bismack Biyombo is somewhat in the same camp. But even Biyombo's numbers are far greater than Vesely's with the caveat that he was given far more playing time. Now clubs are looking at Rudy Gobert who appears to be something like Vesely and Biyombo...a big , athletic stud who needs to get more skilled. Gobert will get drafted in round 1. Maybe not in the lottery like some predicted but still fairly high. I wonder how many of these young, unskilled athletes have ever panned out. Maybe someone can give me an example of a raw athlete coming into the league becoming a good player or better. Maybe just a competent player.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm not totally out on Vesely yet. Obviously he won't be worth the 6th pick in the draft and that everyone bought myself included that he was a super long SF in the NBA despite his skill game, was a big mistake. (He's a rare example of a player who's true position in the NBA is 2 away from what he got drafted as) But one reason I believe in him, is I think his IQ and instincts are pretty good, his problem is no skills, rather than being a no feel for the game plug out there like Haffa, Thabeet, Darko, Yi. With decent IQ added to his physical tools IMO that's enough to make a foothold in the NBA as a backup center. Whether confidence or opportunity prevents that, is another story though

[Dr Positivity]

Vesely might be the answer to the question that if youre looking for a Euro big man to help your club, do you (1) pick the young, underskilled, super-athlete Vesely or (2) do you pick the older, skilled, non-great athlete like Luis Scola? Certainly, it looks quite in favor of the Luis Scolas of the world who give you numbers. Luis won't be in the hof, but his career numbers his first few years in the league certainly outstrip Vesely's meager output. Vesely is not alone as an example of an NBA club picking a raw, great athlete and hoping for the best. Bismack Biyombo is somewhat in the same camp. But even Biyombo's numbers are far greater than Vesely's with the caveat that he was given far more playing time. Now clubs are looking at Rudy Gobert who appears to be something like Vesely and Biyombo...a big , athletic stud who needs to get more skilled. Gobert will get drafted in round 1. Maybe not in the lottery like some predicted but still fairly high. I wonder how many of these young, unskilled athletes have ever panned out. Maybe someone can give me an example of a raw athlete coming into the league becoming a good player or better. Maybe just a competent player.

I haven't seen a ton of Gobert, but he doesn't look *unskilled* to me. Gobert is not a post player and he is not a shooter. However on the clips his hands and finishing rolling to the basket look excellent to me and 70-80% FG seasons support that idea. I think the positive comparison for Gobert, would be to call him skilled in the same way Chandler, Drummond, McGee are. I would say there's a line in the sand between them and Biyombo, Vesely, J Anthony types who don't have it at all skill wise, it's the difference between average and bad skill, which is powerful if a player's other talents are significant. Again I could be wrong about his hands and finishing as I am judging it off not a lot of tape, but that's the impression I got.

[Johnlac1]

Vesely might be the answer to the question that if youre looking for a Euro big man to help your club, do you (1) pick the young, underskilled, super-athlete Vesely or (2) do you pick the older, skilled, non-great athlete like Luis Scola? Certainly, it looks quite in favor of the Luis Scolas of the world who give you numbers. Luis won't be in the hof, but his career numbers his first few years in the league certainly outstrip Vesely's meager output. Vesely is not alone as an example of an NBA club picking a raw, great athlete and hoping for the best. Bismack Biyombo is somewhat in the same camp. But even Biyombo's numbers are far greater than Vesely's with the caveat that he was given far more playing time. Now clubs are looking at Rudy Gobert who appears to be something like Vesely and Biyombo...a big , athletic stud who needs to get more skilled. Gobert will get drafted in round 1. Maybe not in the lottery like some predicted but still fairly high. I wonder how many of these young, unskilled athletes have ever panned out. Maybe someone can give me an example of a raw athlete coming into the league becoming a good player or better. Maybe just a competent player.

I haven't seen a ton of Gobert, but he doesn't look *unskilled* to me. Gobert is not a post player and he is not a shooter. However on the clips his hands and finishing rolling to the basket look excellent to me and 70-80% FG seasons support that idea. I think the positive comparison for Gobert, would be to call him skilled in the same way Chandler, Drummond, McGee are. I would say there's a line in the sand between them and Biyombo, Vesely, J Anthony types who don't have it at all skill wise, it's the difference between average and bad skill, which is powerful if a player's other talents are significant. Again I could be wrong about his hands and finishing as I am judging it off not a lot of tape, but that's the impression I got.

I'm not disagreeing. But you're saying Gobert's physical abilities, unlike Vesely's, will overcome his lack of skill in shooting. I've seen clips of Gobert, which of course, always show the best. Which is why I try to watch real games. And I'm not saying definitely Vesely won't eventually produce, but his time frame is drawing to a close. If he doesn't produce the goods next year, he'll probably get the heave-ho. I don't know who in the NBA would pick him up.

[Dr Positivity]

I think both his physical tools are more appealing and his skill level is better for a center than Vesely's, if my impression is correct that Gobert can at least be a catch and finish/high efficiency threat at the next level for a C, which Vesely is not

[Eoghan]

I'd take Vesely all day over Gobert going off what I know about the latter (admittedly, just youtube). Gobert isn't big, he's just tall with praying mantis arms. He's not that athletic and he doesn't look all that skilled to me although he seems like he has decent touch. He's only averaging 8 and 5 in the French B league, the 5 is particularly pathetic.

Jan just strikes me as a project big that was misused as a SF and can't find PT to be developed since the Wiz are trying to push the throttle towards win now mode to placate Wall. But I've only seen him sparingly so I'm mostly talking out of my ass here.

[pohani komarac]

I watched few games of Gobert. Difrece then him he is clear center + center position don't need much skills this days

Vesely was role player in europe playing SF. he was perfectly fited in system of his team. In NBA he is stuck betwen positons

Gobert is raw, but he looks coachable to me and he understands he is limited and does not force things he can't do. Defenetly made me change my mind about him. He does lot questionmarky but I would not put him in same line with Anjica.

[GhostsOfGil]

Vesely actually strung a nice set of games together at the end of the 2012 season. At that point, a lot of Wizards saw him becoming a solid center in the mold joakim noah. This year he added some weight but he's still too weak to bang with NBA bigs. The only value he brings, is his ability to pass which is nullified by his complete offensive ineptitude.

Fun fact: This season he was assisted on 87% of his made FGs and shot 17% on jumpers.

[sisibilio]

Vesely actually strung a nice set of games together at the end of the 2012 season. At that point, a lot of Wizards saw him becoming a solid center in the mold joakim noah. This year he added some weight but he's still too weak to bang with NBA bigs. The only value he brings, is his ability to pass which is nullified by his complete offensive ineptitude.

Fun fact: This season he was assisted on 87% of his made FGs and shot 17% on jumpers.

Yea, a PF version of Noah with slightly worse passing is his ceiling IMO. He'd fit nicely in Minny.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I'm still waiting to hear someone tell us an NBA skill he's good at. Dunking doesn't count, because every NBA 3 can make uncontested dunks. He's a 98 lb weaking compared to Blake Griffin.

Nearly 2 years later, and I'm still waiting.

[B-easy]

Vesley is not good at anything except dunking on the fast break. Not even joking. Hopefully he can improve but im not counting on it.

[GhostsOfGil]

He's an above average passer at the 5. Outside that, he's fairly worthless.

Vesley at his best: (note his quick interior passing starting at 1:11)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEhFtFhKaQ[/youtube]

Vesley at his worst:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWG8RATul30[/youtube]

Unfortunately, we saw a lot more of his "worst" than his "best"

[Apollo64]

Should have never left Europe.