Future draft classes

reanimator · Post #1201 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:02 pm

Fox is a better athlete than Russell, though.

EricAnderson · Post #1202 » by **EricAnderson** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:17 pm

Marcus wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:Markelle Fultz really has come out of nowhere these past few months..

Now people are saying he's a top 5 talent in the 16' class..wow

have you seen him play? what's his game like?

Nah just clips..he seems to be pretty deadly from mid range..

Go_Hornets · Post #1203 » by **Go_Hornets** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:05 pm

Any chance Ayton reclassifies?

Post #1204 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:29 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoYI4BFJoxI[/youtube]

Post #1205 » by **Marcus** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:17 pm

Go_Hornets wrote:Any chance Ayton reclassifies?

not yet. if it happens it'll be going into his Senior year.

Go_Hornets · Post #1206 » by **Go_Hornets** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:00 am

Giles, Ingram, Smith, and Adebayo.

NC is stacked with basketball talent.

damecurry · Post #1207 » by **damecurry** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:06 am

So... Is thon maker really not a lottery talent? I know it's way early but the couple of 2017 mocks I've seen have him at fringe lottery, one he's all the down at 24!
I'm further from a scout than probably anyone else here, I have no idea really, but just his physical tools and the clips I've seen I don't understand how he's not projected top 5...

splendidham · Post #1208 » by **splendidham** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:21 am

He's had a very solid past few months which have put him back in contention for a high lottery pick in my opinion

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Post #1209 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:53 pm

damecurry wrote:So... Is thon maker really not a lottery talent? I know it's way early but the couple of 2017 mocks I've seen have him at fringe lottery, one he's all the down at 24!
I'm further from a scout than probably anyone else here, I have no idea really, but just his physical tools and the clips I've seen I don't understand how he's not projected top 5...

had a really bad stretch where all the other players in his class looked great, combine that with moving to Canada (out of sight out of mind) to play ball and some bad outtings when he did get some national spotlight here in the states and you have a guy that fell off a little bit.

Heard he killed at the 100 camp though and put himself back on the map. 2017 is absolutely loaded as it currently stands and compared to the other freaks in that class he doesn't fit size for position as well as some of the top guys do along with not being exceedingly more skilled than they are either.

I think if he strays from the KD path he was heading on and gear himself more towards what AD is going to end up being he should drop himself back into the good graces of scouts around the league. Especially with the way the game has changed and how effective stretch bigs are. There's still time for him to get in on that wave.

immortalone23 · Post #1210 » by **immortalone23** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:56 pm

He has really good stretch four potential. Criminally underrated.

Post #1211 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:58 pm

Undefeated wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoYI4BFJoxI[/youtube]

i like Dre's activity around the cup in that one clip but he rushed like 3 of those bunnies worrying about Josh.

I love Josh's game but he's scared me the last few times i've watched him at FIBA. No real takeover mentality though clearer more skilled than most on the court. Attitude seemed bad too bit of the temper. Comes of as an edge when he's comfortable on the court but when he's not it looks pissy.

Hopefully its just a maturity thing and it passes.

Post #1212 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:06 pm

immortalone23 wrote:He has really good stretch four potential. Criminally underrated.

not sure about that but i can see where someone might feel that way.

extremely over hyped when he was discovered. everybody had a reality check when his flaws were exposed which led to him being sh*tted on as a talent. Kid can CLEARLY play and CLEARLY has some good tools as well as some knocks. I think it balances out when its all said and done though. He'll show flashes of why he was so highly regarded as well as the reason why scouts are leary of him.

immortalone23 · Post #1213 » by **immortalone23** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:08 pm

Marcus wrote:
immortalone23 wrote:He has really good stretch four potential. Criminally underrated.

not sure about that but i can see where someone might feel that way.

extremely over hyped when he was discovered. everybody had a reality check when his flaws were exposed which led to him being sh*tted on as a talent. Kid can CLEARLY play and CLEARLY has some good tools as well as some knocks. I think it balances out when its all said and done though. He'll show flashes of why he was so highly regarded as well as the reason why scouts are leary of him.

I'm going to watch more tape of him. I want to see if my stance changes.

Post #1214 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:11 pm

immortalone23 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
immortalone23 wrote:He has really good stretch four potential. Criminally underrated.

not sure about that but i can see where someone might feel that way.

extremely over hyped when he was discovered. everybody had a reality check when his flaws were exposed which led to him being sh*tted on as a talent. Kid can CLEARLY play and CLEARLY has some good tools as well as some knocks. I think it balances out when its all said and done though. He'll show flashes of why he was so highly regarded as well as the reason why scouts are leary of him.

I'm going to watch more tape of him. I want to see if my stance changes.

last i read he was going to ASU for a year and a half if his grades allowed him to. I'm guessing if that happens you'll get a good a chance to see him especially if Jaylen Brown keeps his stock high. PAC-12 games should aire more this year hopefully.

Go_Hornets · Post #1215 » by **Go_Hornets** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:40 pm

There's a lot of talk about the Giles/Tatum package, but Smith and Bam Adebayo should be fun to watch at NCSU...I'll be shocked if they go elsewhere.

Post #1216 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:59 pm

Thon is talented but he has a poor motor IMO. Dude couldn't even dominate the Bio Steel All Canadian game

Post #1217 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:03 pm

Undefeated wrote:Thon is talented but he has a poor motor IMO. Dude couldn't even dominate the Bio Steel All Canadian game

always thought his motor was one of his best assets. Everytime i've watched him he's one of the hard working kids out there. Runs the floor, hits the boards, his cuts are hard, his rotations are there. Kid has always looked non-stop when i've seen him. Even in the HOOP Summit this year he didn't look that great finishing or catching the ball but he grabbed 8 or 9 boards and had a block or 2 I think just off of being active.

Post #1218 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:10 pm

Yes, Thon runs rim-to-rim hard similar to Anthony Bennett; but, guys with their physical tools should be able to dominate the glass and control the paint defensively. I don't see that when I watch Thon play compared to someone like Cheick Diallo who's motor is non-stop.

splendidham · Post #1219 » by **splendidham** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:13 pm

You should try catch some of his recent games then

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Point-Forward · Post #1220 » by **Point-Forward** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:46 am

Hi people, im going to give my two cents about the upcoming european prospects, which I think nobody talked about in this thread yet (and excuse me if you did and I didn't see). My opinion is strongly based on what I saw in the last FIBA U-19 World Championship, and on the professional games I could catch of these players (for those who have actually played meaningful professional basketball, cause some of them haven't). So, there you go:

Furkan Korkmaz - TURKEY:

One of my favourite european prospects. A very talented and smooth SG/SF (although I clearly see him as a SG in the NBA), who can knock down the mid and long range shot (great mechanics, excellent 3pt shooting), and also drive/cut to the rim without the ball because he has deceptive athleticism. His athletic hability won't catch you at first sight because of his slim body, but believe me, this kid has some hops. Played great for Turkey in the last FIBA U19 WC, in which his country won the bronze medal (although the semi-final against Croatia was kinda dissapointing for the whole group). He is also a creative passer (has a strong bball IQ, very typical of the talented players) and can always find the open man. Not a selfish guy at all.

On the negative side, he still has a very thin frame which could cause him some problems in the NBA. I guess he still has time to develop his body and all, but will have to rely mostly on that tricky "Ginobili type style" to avoid the strong NBA defenders. Although he is not as athletic as young Ginobili was, but I can see the comparisons between the two players. Another thing I don't like about him is that he is kind of inconsistent throughout games: comes and dissapears. But hey, when he's on the zone he absolutely destroys teams, like in the 1/4 Finals against Australia when he dominated the 3rd quarter with 15 points and sealed the game for Turkey (and to that point, they were struggling a lot). His defense is still a work in progress at this point in his young career (like I said before, that slim body doesn't help), but I think he has the instincts and IQ to improve.

At Efes Pilsen (Turkish club) he has mostly been a spot-up 3pt shooter, with some very ocasional plays drawn up for him (he is too young to have the spotlight, of course). I expect him to enjoy more minutes and importance this upcoming season. Korkmaz is projected to be a lottery pick in the 2016 NBA draft, and I think he could really be worth the pick.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhTCg6nQdw[/youtube]

Nik Slavica - CROATIA:

A very enjoyable surprise. Played an awesome tournament with Croatia, and had a game against USA in the final which turned out to be an automatic instant classic. Remember, this is the same Croatian team that played without Bender, Mazalin, Zizic, etc, and still managed to play head-to-head with the USA and almost beat them. It was incredible, and 80 % of the merit goes to Arapovic and Slavica. He wasn't that interesting of a prospect before the tournament, since he didn't really show strong performances in previous years playing for Croatia, but I guess players, like people, also progress both physically and technically.

Slavica is a SG/SF with a strong build. He is a very strong and athletic player, to the point of being clearly NBA-ready in that solely aspect. I mean, his hops are not that far from those of Hezonja's, just to name a player which everybody knows. Obviously, he is not that good of a shooter and shot-creator as Hezonja (in fact, he needs to improve in both these aspects), but his excellent body screams potential. Can also pass the ball and defend 2-3 positions in the perimeter. Moves well without the ball and has sure shown a lot of stamina, because Croatia relied heavily on him for perimeter scoring and defense. Like I said, he probably won't be as good as Mario Hezonja, but kinda reminds me of him a bit.

Against USA he put up this stat-line: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals and 1 block. I recommend you people to catch the full game on youtube to see what this kid is made of. Oh, and of course, he made the highlight of the tournament with this incredible block on Jayson Tatum (considered by many to be a top-3 draft pick in 2017):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAD18pdBOT0[/youtube]

And here you have another video of him with some highlights from that same tournament:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0B1k5utBwY[/youtube]

Tyler Dorsey - GREECE:

This player is probably much more familiar to some of you. He was born in LA, but plays with Greece because of his mother. Showed some strong promise on the high-school level but some scouts were not really sold out on him since he was ranked the 38th in ESPN's annual highschool prospects (which is nothing definitive, since Jimmy Butler didn't even crack the top-100 at one point). I've heard some scouts were not pleased with his cocky and ball-hogging approach, but honestly, I didn't see any of that in the past FIBA U19 WC. In fact, quite the opposite, he always sacrificed for the team and was willing to make whatever type of play to win the game. But oh well, maybe his stock will rise from now on. Will play in Oregon next season, so it will be interesting to see how he performs.

Dorsey is a kinda undersized SG (not too undersized, but lacks a tiny bit of height for that position) with a lot of athletic hability and a strong motor. Very good scorer, specially. Can drive to the rim at will, is faster than most of his defenders, moves well without the ball, can shoot from the outside (although he is still inconsistent, but he's not a bad shooter at all), and can defend at premium level thanks to his hand and feet quickness. Like I said before, he played a great tournament with Greece in which he was probably the best player of that team, with Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis following him closely. Dorsey draws a lot of fouls also, since defenders can't really keep up with that combination of quickness and athleticism.

He had 19 points against Turkey in the bronze medal game, 23 points/6 rebounds against USA in the semi-finals, and 25 points/7 rebounds/5 assists/4 steals against Tunisia in the quarter-finals, which was probably one of the most impressive stat-lines of the whole tournament.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ItzSVdteQ[/youtube]

Like I said, if you guys can catch any of Greece's games in the secound round (Tunisia, USA and Turkey) you will see what this guy is made of. Great great player. There are also some highlights and mixtapes of him playing highschool tournaments.

Anyway, these are some of the players we will have to follow up closely. Later I will post my opinions on other strong prospects like Bender, Arapovic or the two spaniards, Sergi Garcia and Yankuba Sima. And please excuse me for my bad english.