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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1221 » by Point-Forward » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:08 am

Point-Forward wrote:Hi people, im going to give my two cents about the upcoming european prospects, which I think nobody talked about in this thread yet (and excuse me if you did and I didn't see). My opinion is strongly based on what I saw in the last FIBA U-19 World Championship, and on the professional games I could catch of these players (for those who have actually played meaningful professional basketball, cause some of them haven't). So, there you go:

Furkan Korkmaz - TURKEY:

One of my favourite european prospects. A very talented and smooth SG/SF (although I clearly see him as a SG in the NBA), who can knock down the mid and long range shot (great mechanics, excellent 3pt shooting), and also drive/cut to the rim without the ball because he has deceptive athleticism. His athletic hability won't catch you at first sight because of his slim body, but believe me, this kid has some hops. Played great for Turkey in the last FIBA U19 WC, in which his country won the bronze medal (although the semi-final against Croatia was kinda dissapointing for the whole group). He is also a creative passer (has a strong bball IQ, very typical of the talented players) and can always find the open man. Not a selfish guy at all.

On the negative side, he still has a very thin frame which could cause him some problems in the NBA. I guess he still has time to develop his body and all, but will have to rely mostly on that tricky "Ginobili type style" to avoid the strong NBA defenders. Although he is not as athletic as young Ginobili was, but I can see the comparisons between the two players. Another thing I don't like about him is that he is kind of inconsistent throughout games: comes and dissapears. But hey, when he's on the zone he absolutely destroys teams, like in the 1/4 Finals against Australia when he dominated the 3rd quarter with 15 points and sealed the game for Turkey (and to that point, they were struggling a lot). His defense is still a work in progress at this point in his young career (like I said before, that slim body doesn't help), but I think he has the instincts and IQ to improve.

At Efes Pilsen (Turkish club) he has mostly been a spot-up 3pt shooter, with some very ocasional plays drawn up for him (he is too young to have the spotlight, of course). I expect him to enjoy more minutes and importance this upcoming season. Korkmaz is projected to be a lottery pick in the 2016 NBA draft, and I think he could really be worth the pick.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWhTCg6nQdw[/youtube]


Nik Slavica - CROATIA:

A very enjoyable surprise. Played an awesome tournament with Croatia, and had a game against USA in the final which turned out to be an automatic instant classic. Remember, this is the same Croatian team that played without Bender, Mazalin, Zizic, etc, and still managed to play head-to-head with the USA and almost beat them. It was incredible, and 80 % of the merit goes to Arapovic and Slavica. He wasn't that interesting of a prospect before the tournament, since he didn't really show strong performances in previous years playing for Croatia, but I guess players, like people, also progress both physically and technically.

Slavica is a SG/SF with a strong build. He is a very strong and athletic player, to the point of being clearly NBA-ready in that solely aspect. I mean, his hops are not that far from those of Hezonja's, just to name a player which everybody knows. Obviously, he is not that good of a shooter and shot-creator as Hezonja (in fact, he needs to improve in both these aspects), but his excellent body screams potential. Can also pass the ball and defend 2-3 positions in the perimeter. Moves well without the ball and has sure shown a lot of stamina, because Croatia relied heavily on him for perimeter scoring and defense. Like I said, he probably won't be as good as Mario Hezonja, but kinda reminds me of him a bit.

Against USA he put up this stat-line: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals and 1 block. I recommend you people to catch the full game on youtube to see what this kid is made of. Oh, and of course, he made the highlight of the tournament with this incredible block on Jayson Tatum (considered by many to be a top-3 draft pick in 2017):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAD18pdBOT0[/youtube]

And here you have another video of him with some highlights from that same tournament:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0B1k5utBwY[/youtube]


Tyler Dorsey - GREECE:

This player is probably much more familiar to some of you. He was born in LA, but plays with Greece because of his mother. Showed some strong promise on the high-school level but some scouts were not really sold out on him since he was ranked the 38th in ESPN's annual highschool prospects (which is nothing definitive, since Jimmy Butler didn't even crack the top-100 at one point). I've heard some scouts were not pleased with his cocky and ball-hogging approach, but honestly, I didn't see any of that in the past FIBA U19 WC. In fact, quite the opposite, he always sacrificed for the team and was willing to make whatever type of play to win the game. But oh well, maybe his stock will rise from now on. Will play in Oregon next season, so it will be interesting to see how he performs.

Dorsey is a kinda undersized SG (not too undersized, but lacks a tiny bit of height for that position) with a lot of athletic hability and a strong motor. Very good scorer, specially. Can drive to the rim at will, is faster than most of his defenders, moves well without the ball, can shoot from the outside (although he is still inconsistent, but he's not a bad shooter at all), and can defend at premium level thanks to his hand and feet quickness. Like I said before, he played a great tournament with Greece in which he was probably the best player of that team, with Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis following him closely. Dorsey draws a lot of fouls also, since defenders can't really keep up with that combination of quickness and athleticism.

He had 19 points against Turkey in the bronze medal game, 23 points/6 rebounds against USA in the semi-finals, and 25 points/7 rebounds/5 assists/4 steals against Tunisia in the quarter-finals, which was probably one of the most impressive stat-lines of the whole tournament.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ItzSVdteQ[/youtube]

Like I said, if you guys can catch any of Greece's games in the secound round (Tunisia, USA and Turkey) you will see what this guy is made of. Great great player. There are also some highlights and mixtapes of him playing highschool tournaments.

Anyway, these are some of the players we will have to follow up closely. Later I will post my opinions on other strong prospects like Bender, Arapovic or the two spaniards, Sergi Garcia and Yankuba Sima. And please excuse me for my bad english.


BTW, the FIBA U18 European Championship starts today, and Korkmaz will also participate in this tournament with Turkey.

So hey, you can catch him there also.
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Post#1222 » by crazy_me_87 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:58 am

damecurry wrote:So... Is thon maker really not a lottery talent? I know it's way early but the couple of 2017 mocks I've seen have him at fringe lottery, one he's all the down at 24!
I'm further from a scout than probably anyone else here, I have no idea really, but just his physical tools and the clips I've seen I don't understand how he's not projected top 5...


I think what others said to answer this is all at least in part true. Moving to Canada doesnt help.. really kinda "out of sight out of mind" and he sometimes hasnt dominated as much as his Talent and Tools suggested.

while at other times he totally annihilates everyone so his performances are inconsistend.

and i think a big part is.. Thon is so unique.. there isnt even a far fetched comparison you can make. He could be the Next Level of the Mobile do it all Big Guy ala A.Davis.. The Shooting Center? dont know^^

And i think there lies a big Problem.. for all his potential and talent nobody can confidently predict if his Playing Style will work in the NBA. With other players you can say "Well he reminds me so much of ____ so i can say he will have at least some degree of sucsess" Maker is New. He could be The finals Step in the Revolution of the 7 feet Big Man or just a role player who struggles to do anything meaningfull at the NBA Level.

He is kinda the ultimate High Risk/High Reward guy. He could be amazing,HOF,All time Great kinda amazing.. but just as well be out of the NBA by the time his rookie contract is up.
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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1223 » by pohani komarac » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:01 am

Highlights from Croatian big 3 from U-19 WC.

7'1 97. C Ivica Zubac

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Us90FHbOg[/youtube]

6'8 97. SG/SF Nik Slavica

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUzOdz7tdQ[/youtube]

6'9 96. PF Marko Arapović

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6fTn6mahcE[/youtube]
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Post#1224 » by reanimator » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:12 pm

nevermind
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Post#1225 » by Go_Hornets » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:03 pm

What's the best comparison for Lonzo Ball? Jerry Meyer just moved him to #2.
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Post#1226 » by reanimator » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:35 pm

William McDowell-White is an Australian guard to track. Big lead with an explosive 1st step and is coming over for college ball in 2016.
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Post#1227 » by Mike X » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:49 am

I've mentioned him on here a couple of times.

He is very, very good but still only scratching the surface. I doubt thered be a 6'5 guard his age who would get from basket to basket as quick. Really intelligent too, plays the "right" way, whatever that is
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Post#1228 » by Undefeated » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:27 pm

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Post#1229 » by freestyler34 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:42 am

Furkan Korkmaz is the real deal

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0dhGx43gA[/youtube]
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Post#1230 » by Von Bismarck » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:15 am

Furkan Korkmaz got destoroyed pretty hard by Nik Slavica in their head to head meeting at the U19 championship.
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Post#1231 » by freestyler34 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:42 am

Von Bismarck wrote:Furkan Korkmaz got destoroyed pretty hard by Nik Slavica in their head to head meeting at the U19 championship.


Turkey played that game bad as a team,Furkan Korkmaz was in first team of the U19 Championship, where Nik Slavica been when Korkmaz won Gold medal in U18 Championship ?
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Post#1232 » by Von Bismarck » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:48 am

freestyler34 wrote:
Von Bismarck wrote:Furkan Korkmaz got destoroyed pretty hard by Nik Slavica in their head to head meeting at the U19 championship.


Turkey played that game bad as a team,Furkan Korkmaz was in first team of the U19 Championship, where Nik Slavica been when Korkmaz won Gold medal in U18 Championship ?


I'm sorry, I didn't know we live in the 2014.

And I was merely saying. Korkmaz is a good player, would be the best in his generation if it isn't for Dragan Bender. But he gets lost when he plays against athletically gifted players.
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Post#1233 » by freestyler34 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:25 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:
freestyler34 wrote:
Von Bismarck wrote:Furkan Korkmaz got destoroyed pretty hard by Nik Slavica in their head to head meeting at the U19 championship.


Turkey played that game bad as a team,Furkan Korkmaz was in first team of the U19 Championship, where Nik Slavica been when Korkmaz won Gold medal in U18 Championship ?


I'm sorry, I didn't know we live in the 2014.

And I was merely saying. Korkmaz is a good player, would be the best in his generation if it isn't for Dragan Bender. But he gets lost when he plays against athletically gifted players.


What a big deal he played one game bad, after wining gold medals back to back and he was still in the first team of that tournament that just shows how great he is.
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Post#1234 » by Zombiesonics » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:57 am

2017 is gonna be a loaded draft man. One of fox or smith is the real deal franchise pg type, then wing/scorers you've got josh jackson , tatum, and monk. only weak spot would be bigs
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Post#1235 » by immortalone23 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:48 pm

Does Michael Porter really have a 7'9 wingspan? Some old tweet is circulating again... I thought it was 6'9 at 2015 Nike Skills Academy
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Post#1236 » by Marcus » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:50 pm

immortalone23 wrote:Does Michael Porter really have a 7'9 wingspan? Some old tweet is circulating again... I thought it was 6'9 at 2015 Nike Skills Academy


yeah i was looking for that too. I think its all BS though.
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Post#1237 » by immortalone23 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:52 pm

Marcus wrote:
immortalone23 wrote:Does Michael Porter really have a 7'9 wingspan? Some old tweet is circulating again... I thought it was 6'9 at 2015 Nike Skills Academy


yeah i was looking for that too. I think its all BS though.

Yeah I mean the tweet was from June 2014.
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Post#1238 » by Marcus » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:54 pm

immortalone23 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
immortalone23 wrote:Does Michael Porter really have a 7'9 wingspan? Some old tweet is circulating again... I thought it was 6'9 at 2015 Nike Skills Academy


yeah i was looking for that too. I think its all BS though.

Yeah I mean the tweet was from June 2014.


and i would assume a 7'9" wingspan on a 6'9" kid would be pretty noticeable and off sight alone its not.
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Post#1239 » by peZt » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:31 pm

His wingspan is actually under average for a player his size

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Porter-83153/
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Post#1240 » by immortalone23 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:02 pm

Has anyone seen a lot of Wenyen Gabriel? His stock is rising fast. He's a 6'9 four with guard skills.
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