Trae Young

[King Ken]

Trae is technically 3rd in drives per game with a 3.6 ast and 1.6 to rate with a higher FG% than James Harden in the last 11 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=11

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[916fan]

Trae is technically 3rd in drives per game with a 3.6 ast and 1.6 to rate with a higher FG% than James Harden in the last 11 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=11

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We both come from teams who idiotically passed up on Luka. However, there's a bright side. Their rookie years don't define the rest of their careers.

Most people probably don't know this, but Fox played poorly for most of his rookie year. It was very up and down for him, but luckily he ended the season on a high note from a few clutch shots. On offense he was very passive. Looked like a timid rookie. When he was our primary ball handler, he struggled to run the offense. It became so bad that a lot of the times the coach would just have him bring up the ball and dump it to ZBo in the low-post. He struggled in PnR sets... often opting for a contested mid-range J instead of hitting the wide open roller. I don't have the stats, but a Kings fan actually posted that Fox had one of the lowest PnR pts among PGs. These were his biggest weaknesses, but as a whole, his offense wasn't pretty. He was still a very much question mark in terms of franchise PG or franchise player. That's why I had a some debates with a small number of Kings fans on whether or not we should draft Doncic.The argument was that Fox and Doncic could not reach their fullest potentials being split ball handling duties. My argument at the time was that Fox isn't good enough for us to consider how Doncic fits with him...
Fox was pretty bad on defense too, but so is any other rookie. He looked lost, overwhelmed, and gassed. Effort sometimes was questionable, but I think it had more to do with exhaustion. He had a reputation for being a good defender at UK, but it wasn't the case in his 1st year.

Fast-forward to his 2nd year, and now Fox looks like a budding star.

After the Kings-Hawks game, Fox told Young something along the lines of not worrying about anything and that Trae was already ahead of where he was as a rookie.

Entire reason for my post is that we need to give young rookies time. We just don't know how good they can be..it's only their 1st year where they're adjusting to an 82 game schedule along with physical NBA players. Passing up on Doncic will always sting, but it doesn't mean Young or Bagley can't become good players with time.

[Jamaaliver]

Passing up on Doncic will always sting, but it doesn't mean Young or Bagley can't become good players with time.

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Stillwater]

Passing up on Doncic will always sting, but it doesn't mean Young or Bagley can't become good players with time.

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

[Jamaaliver]

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

I won't re-litigate the decision again.

And I admit Luka is undeniably the better player.

But we wanted as many bites at the apple as possible to build a team around a collection of players that perfectly complement each other.

We got a top end initiator and it looks like we'll have 2 more lottery picks this summer.
Dallas got a great player...but don't have much around him.




Time will tell which approach is wiser -- a team built on a half dozen lottery selections. Or a team built exclusively around Luka.

[Stillwater]

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

I won't re-litigate the decision again.

And I admit Luka is undeniably the better player.

But we wanted as many bites at the apple as possible to build a team around a collection of players that perfectly complement each other.

We got a top end initiator and it look like we'll have 2 more lottery picks this summer.
Dallas got a great player...but don't have much around him.




Time will tell which approach is wiser -- a team built on a half dozen lottery selections. Or a team built exclusively around Luka.

Thats your plan...the long game I guess.
I would think having a guy like Young on the roster could be an asset for his ability to pass the rock and getting a future first might be a good play , but passing up on Luka is just dumb and overthinking by ATL brass imo.
You aint getting the CLE pick for sure this year though so maybe you can get lucky and Bol falls to the DAL pick range if you don't over pick him with your own.

[Jamaaliver]

^You are not wrong.

But we've gotten to the point where we're pleased with Trae young as a prospect...independent of Luka.

Young Trae has been balling since the end of November.

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[Ball4life32]

Passing up on Doncic will always sting, but it doesn't mean Young or Bagley can't become good players with time.

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

‪That is an opinion and not a fact.‬

‪Mavs have lost 10 of 13 and are 1 game from having the 7th worst record so not sure why it isn’t looking good. ‬

[Stillwater]

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

‪That is an opinion and not a fact.‬
‪Mavs have lost 10 of 13 and are 1 game from having the 7th worst record so not sure why it isn’t looking good. ‬

Yeah if Dallas keeps going in that direction maybe you won't get the pick at all.
As far as Youngs shot form...it is a fact he has a low release and needs way too much space even if his ability to dish the ball is allowing him to get some open looks. Noone is questioning he can hit them when open , but not many would agree given his inability to hit them when defenses are keeping him honest that his % will ever be good

[King Ken]

This is a Trae Young thread. Why does Luka always have to come up. He is playing well in comparison to other elite true PGs as a rookie. Luka is a tremendous rookie but Trae is as well for his position and what is asked from him

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Nice, I was waiting for trae young to get hot from three. It was extremely likely he was a better shooter than his early percentages would suggest if taken at face value. That said it's questionable if he's already a good nba 3 point shooter, which has to be seen by some as a disappointment. His passing and even his scoring inside and foul drawing have seemed to translate a bit to the nba game thus far. I'm hoping his good three point shooting continues going forward. I guess his inside scoring has not gone as well, but overall its good stuff, and encouraging to see his outside shot fall. Having his three being a thread will make his drives even stronger going forward (yin/yang **** right there).

I thought trae's early returns were at least promising, given his 3 point shooting was likely to not be bottom of the league type stuff, despite some negative nellies thinking his form doesn't translate to the pros.

Off Topic: but this thread would probably be better if we just ignored the luka tray young thread for a bit, maybe bring it up after the season or something .

[atlantabbq99]

This is a Trae Young thread. Why does Luka always have to come up. He is playing well in comparison to other elite true PGs as a rookie. Luka is a tremendous rookie but Trae is as well for his position and what is asked from him

It's the same reason why Michael Jordan's name always comes up when you talk about Sam Bowie, or why Chris Paul's name comes up when you talk about Marvin Williams.

Trae will have to be as good as Hakeem if he wants the link to stop.

[King Ken]

This is a Trae Young thread. Why does Luka always have to come up. He is playing well in comparison to other elite true PGs as a rookie. Luka is a tremendous rookie but Trae is as well for his position and what is asked from him

It's the same reason why Michael Jordan's name always comes up when you talk about Sam Bowie, or why Chris Paul's name comes up when you talk about Marvin Williams.

Trae will have to be as good as Hakeem if he wants the link to stop.

Stop it! Marvin **** sucked and always sucked Trae looks like a future star PG. Honestly, Doncic doesn't look like LeBron or anything. His defense is meh and he actually knows what he is doing. It's not like he gets lost like Trae or all of the other rookies. He just lacks the ability. Trae is going to be great. I just hate this stupid ass link. Trae should be compared to other PG's of high caliber.

Bowie had injuries. He is more Oden than anything.

[atlantabbq99]

This is a Trae Young thread. Why does Luka always have to come up. He is playing well in comparison to other elite true PGs as a rookie. Luka is a tremendous rookie but Trae is as well for his position and what is asked from him

It's the same reason why Michael Jordan's name always comes up when you talk about Sam Bowie, or why Chris Paul's name comes up when you talk about Marvin Williams.

Trae will have to be as good as Hakeem if he wants the link to stop.

Stop it! Marvin **** sucked and always sucked Trae looks like a future star PG. Honestly, Doncic doesn't look like LeBron or anything. His defense is meh and he actually knows what he is doing. It's not like he gets lost like Trae or all of the other rookies. He just lacks the ability. Trae is going to be great. I just hate this stupid ass link. Trae should be compared to other PG's of high caliber.

Bowie had injuries. He is more Oden than anything.

I never said that Doncic is Lebron. I always said that Doncic could be a poor man's Magic or Larry.

He looks like a young Harden or Joe Johnson now, but their is still a 10% chance he can become a full blow Larry Bird.

[King Ken]

It's the same reason why Michael Jordan's name always comes up when you talk about Sam Bowie, or why Chris Paul's name comes up when you talk about Marvin Williams.

Trae will have to be as good as Hakeem if he wants the link to stop.

Stop it! Marvin **** sucked and always sucked Trae looks like a future star PG. Honestly, Doncic doesn't look like LeBron or anything. His defense is meh and he actually knows what he is doing. It's not like he gets lost like Trae or all of the other rookies. He just lacks the ability. Trae is going to be great. I just hate this stupid ass link. Trae should be compared to other PG's of high caliber.

Bowie had injuries. He is more Oden than anything.

I never said that Doncic is Lebron. I always said that Doncic could be a poor man's Magic or Larry.

He looks like a young Harden or Joe Johnson now, but their is still a 10% chance he can become a full blow Larry Bird.

Young Harden was way more athletic. I can see Iso Joe but Joe can't pass like Luka.

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[nolang1]

Passing up on Doncic will always sting, but it doesn't mean Young or Bagley can't become good players with time.

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

They valued multiple future assets. Their 2019 1st-rounder is obviously gonna be a lot better than it would've been with Luka, and if they get someone like Zion or RJ (or pick up even more future assets by trading down again from wherever they end up) with their own pick it very well could be as good or better than the alternative of having just Luka and finishing like 10th in the East this season.

[King Ken]

Wiser words were never spoken.

Also, we got an extra lottery pick.

That helps salve the wound just a bit.

So the Hawks valued a future asset over a potential generational talent in Luka, settling on Young for his court vision ?
They can't be so naive to think Young will become any kind of decent defender and won't always be a liability in that area.
As far as the 3's it won't ever be consistent... he still has a low release and needs way to much space
BTW that pick aint looking too good either

They valued multiple future assets. Their 2019 1st-rounder is obviously gonna be a lot better than it would've been with Luka, and if they get someone like Zion or RJ (or pick up even more future assets by trading down again from wherever they end up) with their own pick it very well could be as good or better than the alternative of having just Luka and finishing like 10th in the East this season.

With our overall talent, I wouldn't be surprised if he we 7th or 8th seed with Luka. Right now, we have two potential top 10 picks and Trae has a very high ceiling. It's fair to say Dallas won the trade today but in two years, this trade could be looked at A LOT differently depending how we develop and built. At the end of the day. We have three guys we love as a core. I am not sure Dallas has someone they love outside of Luka while being much better now, their future isn't that bright outside of one player