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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1221 » by CptCrunch » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:14 pm

EMG518 wrote:What level of defenders do we see the Thompson twins being?


People often confuse defense with atheleticism. They have potential, but has shown absolutely **** in terms of actual defensive ability.

No evidence they can play defense at all; on the flip side, no evidence that they can't play defense. Their OTE pickup league is worse than AAU in intensity. No college tape, no pro-league tape to watch their team defense.

I'm going to just say their defense won't be good at all like most young high atheleticism players before them. Decent man defenders, sieve on team defense like 90% of the rookies. Potential to develop down the line, but that is something I don't know how to scout at all.
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Post#1222 » by EvanZ » Mon Jan 9, 2023 6:40 pm

Does anyone in OTE play defense at all? Because judging by their stats I imagine the answer is no.


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Post#1223 » by SeattleJazzFan » Mon Jan 9, 2023 7:24 pm

EvanZ wrote:Does anyone in OTE play defense at all? Because judging by their stats I imagine the answer is no.


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based on what i've seen there isn't much difference to playing offense against a chair and against ote "defense"
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1224 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 9, 2023 7:24 pm

Thoughts on this kid?

Taylor Hendricks (Central Florida, PF, Freshman)



Overlooked because of: Scouts' unfamiliarity, limited creation

Undervalued because of: NBA tools, valued archetype

Taylor Hendricks is starting to generate NBA attention by checking a valued mix of boxes with his shot-making, defense and tools/athleticism.

He's the nation's only player with at least 25 threes, 15 dunks and a block rate over 5.0 percent.

It's obviously important for the shooting to continue, though the early consistency remains promising, as he's at 41.0 percent from deep on 4.4 attempts per game while converting 79.1 percent of his free throws. Hendricks has done most of his damage spotting up, but a small sample size shows Hendricks is also comfortable off the dribble (6-of-14), slowing down before pulling up or using touch on runners (6-of-10).

He does remain limited in creation situations, but he's ultraefficient when converting in transition (99th percentile), and he's produced by mostly playing to his strengths, play-finishing fast-breaks, rolls, cuts and catch-and-shoot chances.

Early on, NBA coaches may find more use for his defensive tools and activity, given his 6'9", 210-pound frame, mobility, motor and ability to contest shots at the rim and away from it. Hendricks combines both fearlessness challenging finishes and impressive foot speed guarding in space.

Between his body type and shot, teams are beginning to see translatable three-and-D—and that's a floor projection for a freshman who turned 19 years old in November. Continuing to produce during conference play should help Hendricks secure a spot on team's first-round boards.
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Post#1225 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 7:29 pm

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Post#1226 » by NYPiston » Mon Jan 9, 2023 7:32 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:this is the strangest season regarding prospects in maybe forever. The best players aren't playing in college and for a variety of reasons the highly touted guys IN college aren't showing out. Hopefully the tournament allows some of the cream to rise to the top. I will say that there appears to be more returning players than normal who have taken that next step and really raised their draft stock and they'll dominate the back half of the first round.


Generally they haven't, Miller and George have been the best of the lot, but they all had good weekends (outside of GG Jackson) so I think we just need to be patient with properly evaluating these guys. Most of the 2nd tier prospects are Freshman so it's going to take a while to flesh out their game. Now is when the real evaluation begins as we enter the meat of Conference season.
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Post#1227 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jan 9, 2023 9:08 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Is Calipari going to get fired


lol why? This year's team is built for the tournament unlike last year's so I don't see why they wouldn't go far and make this notion that he'll be fired seem laughable. They've lost to pretty good teams. The ugly loss to AL was mostly just a bad shooting night. Toppin, Tshiebwe and Wallace combined to go 3-30.
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Post#1228 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 9:11 pm

pretty sure this has been one of the strongest freshmen classes we've seen in recent memory, and that's without guys like Scoot and Thompson twins playing in college, and guys like Smith Jr, DWH and Cam being injured and just ramping back up from injury, also still no Baba Miller.

this is actually really strong lotto and even top25, if not deeper.
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Post#1229 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:16 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:Is Calipari going to get fired


lol why? This year's team is built for the tournament unlike last year's so I don't see why they wouldn't go far and make this notion that he'll be fired seem laughable. They've lost to pretty good teams. The ugly loss to AL was mostly just a bad shooting night. Toppin, Tshiebwe and Wallace combined to go 3-30.


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Post#1230 » by Colbinii » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:19 am

clyde21 wrote:pretty sure this has been one of the strongest freshmen classes we've seen in recent memory, and that's without guys like Scoot and Thompson twins playing in college, and guys like Smith Jr, DWH and Cam being injured and just ramping back up from injury, also still no Baba Miller.

this is actually really strong lotto and even top25, if not deeper.


Woah, this is news to me. What makes you so high on the depth? Is it simply a lot of highly touted freshman performing well in college?
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Post#1231 » by clyde21 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:58 am

Colbinii wrote:
clyde21 wrote:pretty sure this has been one of the strongest freshmen classes we've seen in recent memory, and that's without guys like Scoot and Thompson twins playing in college, and guys like Smith Jr, DWH and Cam being injured and just ramping back up from injury, also still no Baba Miller.

this is actually really strong lotto and even top25, if not deeper.


Woah, this is news to me. What makes you so high on the depth? Is it simply a lot of highly touted freshman performing well in college?


yea, strong depth throughout freshmen class, also the right archetypes, vs. last yr which I wasn't very high on overall past a certain point, more primary and secondary ball handlers, more shooters, better guards+wings, and obviously a couple of super-elite prospects in vic/scoot.
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Post#1232 » by Colbinii » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:46 am

clyde21 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
clyde21 wrote:pretty sure this has been one of the strongest freshmen classes we've seen in recent memory, and that's without guys like Scoot and Thompson twins playing in college, and guys like Smith Jr, DWH and Cam being injured and just ramping back up from injury, also still no Baba Miller.

this is actually really strong lotto and even top25, if not deeper.


Woah, this is news to me. What makes you so high on the depth? Is it simply a lot of highly touted freshman performing well in college?


yea, strong depth throughout freshmen class, also the right archetypes, vs. last yr which I wasn't very high on overall past a certain point, more primary and secondary ball handlers, more shooters, better guards+wings, and obviously a couple of super-elite prospects in vic/scoot.


Thanks!

Last year definitely felt like a lot of toolsy wings with low floors.
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Post#1233 » by Hal14 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:35 am

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EMG518 wrote:What level of defenders do we see the Thompson twins being?


People often confuse defense with atheleticism. They have potential, but has shown absolutely **** in terms of actual defensive ability.

No evidence they can play defense at all; on the flip side, no evidence that they can't play defense. Their OTE pickup league is worse than AAU in intensity. No college tape, no pro-league tape to watch their team defense.

I'm going to just say their defense won't be good at all like most young high atheleticism players before them. Decent man defenders, sieve on team defense like 90% of the rookies. Potential to develop down the line, but that is something I don't know how to scout at all.

:lol:

I see the discourse around the Thompson twins is still just as bad as it was the last time I popped in this thread.

Here's evidence that they're good on defense. This stuff ain't hard to find if you check twitter or watch their games.

Read on Twitter


Scouting reports on both twins, posted within the past week.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/amen-thompson-mid-season-scouting

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/ausar-thompson-mid-season-scouting

You clearly need to just get over the weird bias you have against the OTE and evaluate these guys more objectively. Maybe your kid got cut from the program or something.. The twins are both considered top 5 picks for a reason.
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Post#1234 » by CP War Hawks » Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:26 am

I think the twins remind people of Kuminga being top tier athletes, with them likely having issues translating to the league similar to Kuminga.

I get them mixed up, but the one that has everything down except shooting is very intriguing. He's basically a richman's Fultz w/o the injuries. Once/if he gets a decent shot, we're talking an all star level player.
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Post#1235 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 am

Hal14 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:
EMG518 wrote:What level of defenders do we see the Thompson twins being?


People often confuse defense with atheleticism. They have potential, but has shown absolutely **** in terms of actual defensive ability.

No evidence they can play defense at all; on the flip side, no evidence that they can't play defense. Their OTE pickup league is worse than AAU in intensity. No college tape, no pro-league tape to watch their team defense.

I'm going to just say their defense won't be good at all like most young high atheleticism players before them. Decent man defenders, sieve on team defense like 90% of the rookies. Potential to develop down the line, but that is something I don't know how to scout at all.

:lol:

I see the discourse around the Thompson twins is still just as bad as it was the last time I popped in this thread.

Read on Twitter


https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/amen-thompson-mid-season-scouting

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/ausar-thompson-mid-season-scouting

You clearly need to just get over the weird bias you have against the OTE and evaluate these guys more objectively. The twins are both considered top 5 picks for a reason.


Ironic beyond comprehension, replace against with ''for'

Evidence of twins being good - pickup games in sub-high school AAU competition, otherwise none.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the twins are some of the most hyped trash-tier prospect (if drafted in top 5) I've seen in years. I might project Ausar as the better prospect in the late 8-10 range in the best and most optimistic case.

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Post#1236 » by WargamesX » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:45 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:He wont get fired, they just signed him to like a 10 year deal. If anything there will have to be a mutual agreement to lower his UK's buyout (somewhere around 50+ mil). My guess is Texas might have to come in and offer a huge deal and that might be what both sides need to exit peacefully.


Texas has unlimited money especially since they’re heading to the SEC. That would be a “splash” hire and I can see some of their boosters covering the buyout.

If Cal leaves Kentucky - I think UK would throw the bank at Jay Wright


Ya I do think Cal ends up at Texas. All sides just need to come to an agreement where that UK contract gets figured out. Im curious if Jay Wright will go there or if he will try NBA before he gets too old.

They would have to throw a ton a money at wright. I think he stays retired above anything else but if he did go back it would be for the Philly or Knicks jobs if they became available.
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Post#1237 » by Hal14 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:02 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:
People often confuse defense with atheleticism. They have potential, but has shown absolutely **** in terms of actual defensive ability.

No evidence they can play defense at all; on the flip side, no evidence that they can't play defense. Their OTE pickup league is worse than AAU in intensity. No college tape, no pro-league tape to watch their team defense.

I'm going to just say their defense won't be good at all like most young high atheleticism players before them. Decent man defenders, sieve on team defense like 90% of the rookies. Potential to develop down the line, but that is something I don't know how to scout at all.

:lol:

I see the discourse around the Thompson twins is still just as bad as it was the last time I popped in this thread.

Read on Twitter


https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/amen-thompson-mid-season-scouting

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/ausar-thompson-mid-season-scouting

You clearly need to just get over the weird bias you have against the OTE and evaluate these guys more objectively. The twins are both considered top 5 picks for a reason.


Ironic beyond comprehension, replace against with ''for'

Evidence of twins being good - pickup games in sub-high school AAU competition, otherwise none.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the twins are some of the most hyped trash-tier prospect (if drafted in top 5) I've seen in years.
I might project Ausar as the better prospect in the late 8-10 range in the best and most optimistic case.

lol theboxandone

It's just not worth it to talk basketball with anyone who says things like you just did, in bold.

And Adam Spinella from the box and one does some of the most knowledgeable, in depth articles and videos on draft prospects out there. You're just making yourself look worse and worse with comments like that.
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Post#1238 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:29 pm

I'm going to leave this here, advice for the future. People with worthwhile things to say, work to sell, not just basketball scouting related, sell their skills for money, not teach high school history and coach non-competative prep school basketball.
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Post#1239 » by Hal14 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:49 pm

CptCrunch wrote:I'm going to leave this here, advice for the future. People with worthwhile things to say, work to sell, not just basketball scouting related, sell their skills for money, not teach high school history and coach non-competative prep school basketball.

SMH.

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Post#1240 » by peZt » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:02 am

I haven't seen him play yet but as a Turk I'm really interested in how he is doing and what his draft chances are. Anyone here can say how Adem Bona is doing at UCLA?
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