Potential sleepers

doordoor123 · Post #1261 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:12 am

RipCity71252 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So I like Jontay Porter more than Wendell Carter Jr....

Bold.

Wendell has better physical tools and hasn't been as maximized offensively as Jontay has imo

Don't get me wrong, they both have warts, but I think Jontay's tools are going to force him to be a strict 5 and I'm just not sure he has the defense, physicality to hold up. And although he'll be primarily a spacer / big space decision maker on offense, his finishing issues can't be ignored. I'd be fine with him here if he had good touch / craft in the paint, but he doesn't even have that from what I've seen of him.

Jontay Porter’s feel and fluidity is way better than Carter. They’re different kind of centers. And both could also likely play the 4. I just cannot see Porter failing. He’s so smart, a good defender, he gets fouled, can shoot. I think he has a pretty high ceiling. Porter creates his own offense and IMO he’s better at it than Carter. My issues with Carter are his defense and feel. Porter doesn’t really have holes in his game. I’m super impressed and I really like him.

doordoor123 · Post #1262 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:14 am

WtF METU! He plays so much better in games that get attention. He looks like a lottery pick right now.

doordoor123 · Post #1263 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:42 am

And can we please talk about how good Aaron Holiday has been? He’s really good recently.

Justwar · Post #1264 » by **Justwar** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 7:40 am

With metu I always worry about the guys who only play well in big games. It's a motor issue, don't think motor is teachable once you get to college.

Post #1265 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 2:16 pm

RipCity71252 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So I like Jontay Porter more than Wendell Carter Jr....

Bold.

Wendell has better physical tools and hasn't been as maximized offensively as Jontay has imo

Don't get me wrong, they both have warts, but I think Jontay's tools are going to force him to be a strict 5 and I'm just not sure he has the defense, physicality to hold up. And although he'll be primarily a spacer / big space decision maker on offense, his finishing issues can't be ignored. I'd be fine with him here if he had good touch / craft in the paint, but he doesn't even have that from what I've seen of him.

Jontay hasn't finished growing physically. And if he commits to working on his body, we haven't seen the finished product with him. It was interesting listening to the ESPN commentary of the Missouri loss last night. Everything was about brother Michael who was 5 for 17 for 12 points. Jontay wasn't even mentioned, and he went 5/8 including 4/6 from 3 and made 6/8 foul shots for 20 points - grabbing 8 boards like his brother - such an efficient performance for the 18 year old as compared to Michael. Not knocking Michael - since he's nowhere near 100%. It's just interesting how under the radar Jontay is.

doordoor123 · Post #1266 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:58 pm

Justwar wrote:With metu I always worry about the guys who only play well in big games. It's a motor issue, don't think motor is teachable once you get to college.

I’m don’t think it’s a motor issue. Last game he was all over the floor, he didn’t look tired at all. And he had flashes all over. I’ve been watching him for a long time and never saw him play the way he played last night. He legitimately looked like a lottery pick. He’s so fluid and athletic. He’s also really quick in the post (how Harrison Barnes became successful in the post). He also gets off the floor so quickly, can finish with one hand and can even carry the ball with one hand. His finishing also looked much better last night, like he could just flick the ball in. Even his jumper looked more fluid.

My guess is that he knew scouts would be watching and wanted to prove himself and Enfield trusted him. USC is only playing with 7 players and I’m guessing it’s also more comfortable to play with only 7 people.

nolang1 · Post #1267 » by **nolang1** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:59 am

nolang1 wrote:[Jalen McDaniels (redshirt freshman from San Diego State) doesn't seem likely to declare and I don't see him on any mock drafts, but the things holding him back from being a really solid NBA player (perimeter shooting reps and being really skinny) are things I'd rather see him working on with a professional staff. He's 6'9", long, has a good idea of where to be (whether on cuts, when rebounding, or making defensive rotations) and has improved quite a bit throughout the season. At this point he's pretty mobile and athletic for his size but has that Giannis type of build (different sort of game) where he looks like he's just gotten out of a growth spurt (or is still growing) and has room to become quite a bit more athletic if/when he adds muscle.

Since the new year he's averaging 19 points, 13 rebounds (4 offensive), 2 steals and a block per 40 on 64% shooting and 80% from the line. If I were in charge of a team like the Nets I'd rather take a chance on him than draft someone like Brandon McCoy or Metu.

Timely big 1st half for him against the conference #1 seed Nevada. He has 12 points (4-4 from the field and on free throws) and 8 boards at halftime and SDSU is up big.

Justwar · Post #1268 » by **Justwar** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:39 am

doordoor123 wrote:
Justwar wrote:With metu I always worry about the guys who only play well in big games. It's a motor issue, don't think motor is teachable once you get to college.

I’m don’t think it’s a motor issue. Last game he was all over the floor, he didn’t look tired at all. And he had flashes all over. I’ve been watching him for a long time and never saw him play the way he played last night. He legitimately looked like a lottery pick. He’s so fluid and athletic. He’s also really quick in the post (how Harrison Barnes became successful in the post). He also gets off the floor so quickly, can finish with one hand and can even carry the ball with one hand. His finishing also looked much better last night, like he could just flick the ball in. Even his jumper looked more fluid.

My guess is that he knew scouts would be watching and wanted to prove himself and Enfield trusted him. USC is only playing with 7 players and I’m guessing it’s also more comfortable to play with only 7 people.

So your saying he only shows up in big games. Still motor because you have to play hard and focused all the time

toussaud · Post #1269 » by **toussaud** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:55 am

Yeah this Daniel Gafford guy is pretty damn good

Barford will make a team and do well. He's a perfect backup PG for a team like washington

doordoor123 · Post #1270 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:00 am

toussaud wrote:Yeah this Daniel Gafford guy is pretty damn good

Barford will make a team and do well. He's a perfect backup PG for a team like washington

Gafford has some nice tools. Soft touch, athletic and mobility on defense. Hard to say what he’ll be when he’s so young. But he clearly needs a lot of tuning and developing.

I’m pretty sure Barford is a shooting guard.

toussaud · Post #1271 » by **toussaud** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:02 am

Barford is a scoring point guard. he's a primary ball handler and he doesn't have the length to be a 2

Macon on the other hand, is a eddie house esque shooting guard

doordoor123 · Post #1272 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:06 am

toussaud wrote:Barford is a scoring point guard. he's a primary ball handler and he doesn't have the length to be a 2

Macon on the other hand, is a eddie house esque shooting guard

Oh you’re right, I was thinking of someone else

tester551 · Post #1273 » by **tester551** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:30 am

After watching all the games in Boise today (Gonzaga, Ohio St, Kentucky, and Arizona), the kid that stood out the most to me was this Harris kid from Buffalo.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeremy-harris-2.html

Has anyone seen him play before? What are people's thoughts on him? He looks like a very versatile wing.

armin-x · Post #1274 » by **armin-x** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:42 pm

Penava is legit 1st rounder or early second. Guy is just versatile on both end of the floors. Very fluid, great BBIQ, length...

baca · Post #1275 » by **baca** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:46 pm

armin-x wrote:Penava is legit 1st rounder or early second. Guy is just versatile on both end of the floors. Very fluid, great BBIQ, length...

And he leads total blocks and blocks per game in this season NCAA...with 35% 3PT and 15 pts.. Gee

doordoor123 · Post #1276 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:01 pm

Kind of hard to look past Kerwin Roach. He does everything you could want from a wing.

PLO · Post #1277 » by **PLO** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:13 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Kind of hard to look past Kerwin Roach. He does everything you could want from a wing.

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I've loved watching him this season - his athleticism really pops every time I watch him. As a likely second-rounder I don't see how you could go wrong with him, outside of the fact he's 22 years of age. As an athlete-converted-to-player he's improved every game I've seen him in and as you say ticks every box. I'd love him on the 76ers.

Stillwater · Post #1278 » by **Stillwater** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:05 am

Shannon Bogues SFA lockdown defender decent offense ridiculously athletic etc. Worth a look mid to late 2nd

nolang1 · Post #1279 » by **nolang1** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:06 am

Theo Pinson has upped his aggression on offense this March. I would start considering him deeper in the second round gambling that the three-point shot becomes passable based on his free throws.

Stillwater · Post #1280 » by **Stillwater** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:25 am

nolang1 wrote:Theo Pinson has upped his aggression on offense this March. I would start considering him deeper in the second round gambling that the three-point shot becomes passable based on his free throws.

Yeah I'd be surprised he wasn't taken mid 2nd.
Intangibles are pro level. Never been a 3 point shooter but has improved his range this season.
It's not his game though and shouldn't have anything to do with why he's drafted.