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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1301 » by HotelVitale » Wed May 18, 2016 3:55 pm

TKainZero wrote:Will Philly take another PF? Lakers will gladly take whoever Philly passes on


That's a huge question, and I think we have to if that PF can be our best player. Don't think we can count on Saric to be a cornerstone, and the other guys are really centers. And right now, none of those centers are transcendent enough that we can stop right now and build around them. Tough call, because we have an offensive centerpiece in Okafor--who posted 20+ per 36 on 60% TS his last couple months this year--that on paper won't fit well with a ball-dominant non-shooter who needs to get close to the basket to score. And we have a distant hope for Embiid to be what he could be, and he'll also be primarily an interior player.

I spent a lot of the past 4 months talking myself into Ingram as equal to Simmons; last night I watched highlights of both for like 2 hours, and I gotta go with Simmons now. He makes things happen too effortlessly and I'm not convinced Ingram is more than a 3rd-4th man on a good team. That's still very valuable but it's not right for a team like us. Let the roster chaos begin.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1302 » by RollingWave » Wed May 18, 2016 5:11 pm

Lebron is really an awful and unrealistic comp , if you say Giannis perhaps with better upside (perhaps) is much more realistic man.

Or even an thinner Draymond (if he learns how to shoot.)

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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1303 » by Incognito76 » Wed May 18, 2016 5:29 pm

i think Giannis is better prospect then Simmons
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Post#1304 » by yitur » Wed May 18, 2016 6:24 pm

Incognito76 wrote:i think Giannis is better prospect then Simmons

These are just revisionist history at its best. When a couple of people like me were saying giannis has some crazy high ceiling everyone was laughing, and it wasnt that long ago just check late 2014 or early 2015 posts of giannis if you can. Simmons has amazing potential, he has some weaknesses but they are not big deals. Shooting can get better but he will probably be the primary ball-handler or playmaker out of the post. Defensively i'm not sure but i'm positive he wont be a bad defender.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1305 » by 76ciology » Thu May 19, 2016 8:06 am

RollingWave wrote:Lebron is really an awful and unrealistic comp , if you say Giannis perhaps with better upside (perhaps) is much more realistic man.

Or even an thinner Draymond (if he learns how to shoot.)

Comparing anyone to the 2 best player of all time is asking for trouble.


I know LBJ and Simmons are different level. But I'm trying to break down the difference and I would like to know your insight. I'm at pro-Ingram camp btw, you can check my mass posts at Sixers board.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1306 » by 76ciology » Thu May 19, 2016 8:17 am

Does Simmons really has 8'7" standing reach?
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1307 » by ensergiog » Thu May 19, 2016 10:41 am

He's Billy Owens 2.0, versatile, good body, but not much.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1308 » by Grits n Gravy » Sat May 21, 2016 1:44 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

Curious what people think about this, especially the defensive scouting and projection.

David Thorpe wrote:- a potential "defensive player of the year" talent.


In the video opening I thought that Abbott guy was kidding.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1309 » by Spens1 » Sat May 21, 2016 2:09 am

give his athletic ability and the fact he averaged 2SPG in college, he very well could be a really good defensive talent, DPOY though is a stretch but who knows.

his main problems are on offense though Kawhi Leonard is an example that good shooting can in fact be taught. Simmons is similar to Leonard in many ways, Simmons, like Leonard does have a good looking stroke, however for some reason it hasn't led to shots going in. Provided he is at S.F, i am sure an NBA coach (both Brown and Walton could do this) would be able to help him tremendously make the jump and be able to shoot, maybe not at 44% from 3 like Leonard, but make him a solid 3pt shooter (35%ish pretty soon after coming into the nba) and a solid scorer from within the arc (45-50%). The main issue will be his confidence and willingness to shoot, not so much the shot itself.

As for motor, the americans take our laid back attitudes for laziness or motor don't you :lol: just because we aren't angry constantly like them doesn't mean we aren't just as competitive. He may be laid back but once a player steps on the court, he will be intense. Now in LSU, yeah he looked lazy at times, hard to play for a team who are bad, and don't like him, i mean they said the same thing about Wiggins and he sure isn't lazy.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1310 » by Teen Girl Squad » Sat May 21, 2016 6:18 am

Thats where the Lamar comparison comes in though. Odom showed up on game day, but that was it. Becoming great/hitting your potential is as much off the court dedication as pure physical talent. Odom had the talent to be a top 10-12 type player but never got there. I think Simmons has the advantage that he has a better BBall IQ than Odom but then again, Rondo is really intelligent to but never got his jumper to a good place. Simmons should be the unquestioned number 1 pick but he has enough red flags that has made the decision a real question.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1311 » by limitlessrange » Tue May 24, 2016 6:43 pm

Grits n Gravy wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

Curious what people think about this, especially the defensive scouting and projection.

David Thorpe wrote:- a potential "defensive player of the year" talent.


In the video opening I thought that Abbott guy was kidding.

I don't see the DPOY potential but he could be a very good defensive player. He has really quick feet so he should make a good pick and roll defender from the jump. I absolutely agree with the final point in this article though. The fact that Simmons has showed above-average skill in almost all facets of the game coupled with his NBA-ready body and IQ should make him the consensus first overall pick.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1312 » by ppedro123 » Wed May 25, 2016 5:15 pm

Nobody thought Paul Millsap could become a good defender and he was an elite defensive player this year.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1313 » by joyeuxnoel » Wed May 25, 2016 5:52 pm

Teen Girl Squad wrote:Thats where the Lamar comparison comes in though. Odom showed up on game day, but that was it. Becoming great/hitting your potential is as much off the court dedication as pure physical talent. Odom had the talent to be a top 10-12 type player but never got there. I think Simmons has the advantage that he has a better BBall IQ than Odom but then again, Rondo is really intelligent to but never got his jumper to a good place. Simmons should be the unquestioned number 1 pick but he has enough red flags that has made the decision a real question.


rondo shot 57% from the line in college

simmons shot near 70% on a lot of attempts. Simmons just isn't comfortable taking jumpers and needs to work on releasing the ball earlier. he can do it in free throws, but on regular jumpers he doesn't have the repetition.

Simmons has a much better base to start with than rondo did coming out.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1314 » by toussaud » Thu May 26, 2016 5:07 am

He might be a worse defender than oakfur

I watched him get worked over game after game by sec backups. He has no defensive instincts at all. **** footwork,has no idea how to use angles to his advantage. He knows a how to go for flashy weak side blocks and steals in the passing lane
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Post#1315 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu May 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Simmons is going to be a star. I can't wait to see him beast on for the Sixers.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1316 » by Lakerglory1 » Thu May 26, 2016 7:55 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Simmons is going to be a star. I can't wait to see him beast on for the Sixers.

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ingram is going to be a star. I can't wait to see him beast on for the Lakers.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1317 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu May 26, 2016 7:57 pm

Lakerglory1 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Simmons is going to be a star. I can't wait to see him beast on for the Sixers.

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ingram is going to be a star. I can't wait to see him beast on for the Lakers.


I never said that second part but I do like Ingram a lot. The Lakers are going to get a very good player in Ingram. I would have been very happy with Ingram had we had the 2nd pick but we got the top pick and I love Simmons. I don't think he and Ingram are that close.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1318 » by 76ciology » Sat May 28, 2016 12:10 pm

1.) did Simmons really compete with poor competition at LSU?
2.) did Simmons really pad numbers just like what Givony wrote?
3.) is Simmons really a bad defender? Then why does his DBPM says the opposite?
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1319 » by BNelley24 » Sat May 28, 2016 12:58 pm

toussaud wrote:He might be a worse defender than oakfur

I watched him get worked over game after game by sec backups. He has no defensive instincts at all. **** footwork,has no idea how to use angles to his advantage. He knows a how to go for flashy weak side blocks and steals in the passing lane


Well, with Joel Embiid & Nerlens Noel down low, that will make up for anything he lacks on defense ;)
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#1320 » by gothehornets » Sat May 28, 2016 1:01 pm

76ciology wrote:1.) did Simmons really compete with poor competition at LSU?
2.) did Simmons really pad numbers just like what Givony wrote?
3.) is Simmons really a bad defender? Then why does his DBPM says the opposite?

1.)he is in a weak conference(s.e.c) i guess so
2.)most of his stats came in the flow of the game and he needed to be the best player to win
3)hes got t rex arms and is pretty lazy but his steals should translate well

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