2021 NBA Draft

clyde21 · Post #1341 » by **clyde21** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:41 pm

rankings aren't just about ceilings it's also about likelihoods of reaching that ceiling, just b/c he said Moody's ceiling is attainable doesn't mean it's more likely than other players reaching their ceilings

Catchall · Post #1342 » by **Catchall** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:07 am

TheBunk wrote:What's the consensus on Bouknight? Is he considered lottery instead of top 7 or 8 guy because of injury concerns? Because he looks like a sure thing to me in the NBA, where most of these non tier 1 guys have question marks.

He's like Jordan Clarkson with more discipline/ability to fit into a team concept. I think he's likely to be a star. I'd sure take him ahead of Jalen Johnson, if that's even a question.

cornchip · Post #1343 » by **cornchip** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:15 am

Who is this Williams guy from Purdue? He looks excellent.

Doesn't seem like he can he shoot it (which is a pretty big deal) but he has everything else you want from a modern center. Really mobile, has a great motor, terrific passer, etc.

Post #1344 » by **jman3134** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:23 am

Absolutely. Great vision and a dynamic interior player. The issue is projecting him guarding on the perimeter and his lack of an outside shot. Talented post player and one of the best college big men in the country. At the worst, he is stud overseas, where his skillset is more appreciated.

Love his footwork too.

ruffian253 · Post #1345 » by **ruffian253** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:57 pm

Are you referring to Drew Timme from Gonzaga? His footwork and low post moves are unguardable. Pretty under the radar as most of the love goes to Suggs and Kispert. Similar to sabonis minus the physicality.

babyjax13 · Post #1346 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:47 am

I find it worrying that Johnson has now quit on 3 teams in 3 years, I still love his hypothetical skillset and multi-positionality, but interviews are going to be really important to his draft stock, IMO.

Jmonty580 · Post #1347 » by **Jmonty580** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:20 am

clyde21 wrote:rankings aren't just about ceilings it's also about likelihoods of reaching that ceiling, just b/c he said Moody's ceiling is attainable doesn't mean it's more likely than other players reaching their ceilings

They should be, I agree! What good is a player with the highest ceiling if he never actually reaches it? How many players never reach their maximum potential that was talked about when they were drafted? I don't know who is closet or most likely to reach their potential, but you should be looking at both, their production now and their potential for later. It's why Cunningham is probably the best in the draft (imo).

Jmonty580 · Post #1348 » by **Jmonty580** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:25 am

Catchall wrote:
TheBunk wrote:What's the consensus on Bouknight? Is he considered lottery instead of top 7 or 8 guy because of injury concerns? Because he looks like a sure thing to me in the NBA, where most of these non tier 1 guys have question marks.

He's like Jordan Clarkson with more discipline/ability to fit into a team concept. I think he's likely to be a star. I'd sure take him ahead of Jalen Johnson, if that's even a question.

I think he is by far the most underrated player in the draft. His ability to score with his speed and athleticism is crazy. He also clearly makes his teammates better. While I wouldn't call him a passer he creates for his teammates and is a willing passer.

MemphisX · Post #1349 » by **MemphisX** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:40 pm

Are we still pretending Mobley has no chance to be #1? Or the best player in the class?

crows2 · Post #1350 » by **crows2** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:59 pm

MemphisX wrote:Are we still pretending Mobley has no chance to be #1? Or the best player in the class?

Strange comment. There have been plenty of people in this thread touting Mobley as a potential number 1 pick. And even the people that wouldn't take him number 1, like me, would acknowledge that there's a chance he'll end up being the best player in the class. He certainly has the highest floor.

cgf · Post #1351 » by **cgf** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:31 pm

Fischella wrote:If you think Middleton is attainable you should have Moody ranked like 2nd in the class almost

Attainable =/= guaranteed.

A better passing Chris Bosh is attainable for Mobley, Booker/Mitchell is attainable for Bouknight, etc. Almost everyone in the top 11 of this class has attainable/realistic star potential...with the biggest exception (Barnes) having elite-supporting-piece potential...that's why folks are so excited about this class.

cgf · Post #1352 » by **cgf** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:33 pm

crows2 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:Are we still pretending Mobley has no chance to be #1? Or the best player in the class?

Strange comment. There have been plenty of people in this thread touting Mobley as a potential number 1 pick. And even the people that wouldn't take him number 1, like me, would acknowledge that there's a chance he'll end up being the best player in the class. He certainly has the highest floor.

Yeah, I feel like this board is particularly high on Mobley & his chances of unseating Cade. But maybe I just get that impression because I don't rate him quite that highly and have Cade in his own tier, a bit ahead of the pack.

cgf · Post #1353 » by **cgf** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:42 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I find it worrying that Johnson has now quit on 3 teams in 3 years, I still love his hypothetical skillset and multi-positionality, but interviews are going to be really important to his draft stock, IMO.

I think that would bother me more if Coach K hadn't quit on that team first. As is, I have a hard time blaming him...just like I'd have a hard time blaming BJ Boston if he had bailed on Kentucky earlier in the season. Interviews will definitely be crucial for him, but if he comes across well in them this shouldn't be a huge redflag.

Post #1354 » by **jman3134** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:17 pm

ruffian253 wrote:Are you referring to Drew Timme from Gonzaga? His footwork and low post moves are unguardable. Pretty under the radar as most of the love goes to Suggs and Kispert. Similar to sabonis minus the physicality.

I was responding to the poster above me about Williams. Timme is also up there in terms of his post game. I agree.

EvanZ · Post #1355 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:31 pm

MemphisX wrote:Are we still pretending Mobley has no chance to be #1? Or the best player in the class?

I think he has a chance to be #1 and deserves to be in the conversation for #1. So does Suggs imo.

clyde21 · Post #1356 » by **clyde21** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:00 pm

updated bb, not many changes other than inserting JT into T3, I really want to put JG into T1 but not quite yet.

T1
1 Cade Cunningham
2 Evan Mobley
3 Jalen Suggs

T2
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga
6 Moses Moody
7 Brandon Boston Jr
8 Franz Wagner
9 Jaden Springer

T3
10 Usman Garuba
11 Jalen Johnson
12 Ziaire Williams
13 Scottie Barnes
14 Keon Johnson
15 Trendon Watford
16 James Bouknight
17 Roko Prkacin
18 JT Thor
19 Kai Jones
20 Scottie Lewis
21 Sharife Cooper
22 Corey Kispert

MemphisX · Post #1357 » by **MemphisX** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:01 am

It is going to be a fantastic year to jump into the top 4 and being the worse team in the league and guaranteeing top 5 should be coveted.

cgf · Post #1358 » by **cgf** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:26 pm

MemphisX wrote:It is going to be a fantastic year to jump into the top 4 and being the worse team in the league and guaranteeing top 5 should be coveted.

I wouldn't complain about missing the top 5 and ending up with one of Z.Williams / J.Johnson / Bouknight / Moody / Barnes / Springer / K.Johnson

crows2 · Post #1359 » by **crows2** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:55 am

cgf wrote:
MemphisX wrote:It is going to be a fantastic year to jump into the top 4 and being the worse team in the league and guaranteeing top 5 should be coveted.

I wouldn't complain about missing the top 5 and ending up with one of Z.Williams / J.Johnson / Bouknight / Moody / Barnes / Springer / K.Johnson

I would. Most of those players are a huge step down from the top 4 or 5.

cgf · Post #1360 » by **cgf** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:15 am

crows2 wrote:
cgf wrote:
MemphisX wrote:It is going to be a fantastic year to jump into the top 4 and being the worse team in the league and guaranteeing top 5 should be coveted.

I wouldn't complain about missing the top 5 and ending up with one of Z.Williams / J.Johnson / Bouknight / Moody / Barnes / Springer / K.Johnson

I would. Most of those players are a huge step down from the top 4 or 5.

They're certainly a step down from the top 5, but that's still a really talented group.