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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1341 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:08 pm

clyde21 wrote:hilarious how its the Thompson twins/Brandon Miller groupies hating on Scoot as if their guys are setting the league ablaze already. such bad faith nonsense. trash discussion across the board.

Yep, just look at what the two guys trolling this thread were saying about other prospects...

They both had Ausar Thompson ahead of Scoot and one of them keeps referring to him as the next Kawhi and the other compared him to Jimmy Butler predraft, meanwhile he is shooting 31% from the field and 0% from 3pt in his last 10 games and is at 14% from 3pt for the season, all while being a year older than Scoot.

Miller had a 6 or so game stretch earlier in the season when he first got moved to the starting lineup that was every bit as bad as any similar sample of Scoot games. Since the start of December hes shooting 38% from the field. He also stared January with a three game stretch where he shot 25% from the field and 17% from 3pt. He was 0/5 in his most recent game before getting injured. Not a peep about any of it. Hes been the third most consistent player from this class and has obviously been more efficient than Scoot, but hes already 21 (since November) and hasn't really had much success so far doing anything except off-ball shooting.

Amen was also ahead of Scoot for these guys and one of them compared him to a taller Russell Westbrook, yet he hasn't done anything of note this season and is shooting 15% from 3pt.

None of the other players in this class seem to have a bunch of weird haters who make a discussion out of every bad game they have.

An older thread got bumped recently where you can see one of them saying Jalen Green is going to be a combination of Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson. I can remember the other still trying to compare Alperen Sengun to Enes Kanter over 100 games into Senguns career.

The lack of self-awareness is astonishing. I wish people would realize there is no point in engaging with these clowns.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1342 » by mattao313 » Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:02 pm

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Once again you’re telling on yourself. Didn’t you have Scoot top 5?


That's not really the point. Nobody had Scoot as a bust. If you had him outside of the top 2 you deserve props.


So what exactly are you patting yourself on the back here for? Brandon Miller is not the hill to die on, bro.

You put so much energy into hating Scoot, it's just strange. You're like the opposite of the dude who is promoting his son Chris Ledlum. Just give it a rest already. It's beating a dead horse, except with a real possibility in a year the horse is going to kick you in the ass like Jabari.
Meh last season that one guy was basically telling everyone they were dumb if they had Scoot lower than #2. Big J just getting his get back lmao.

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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1343 » by Big J » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:38 pm

clyde21 wrote:hilarious how its the Thompson twins/Brandon Miller groupies hating on Scoot as if their guys are setting the league ablaze already. such bad faith nonsense. trash discussion across the board.


No one would be acting this way if you hadn't flamed us for not having the same opinion of Scoot as you did.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1344 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:48 pm

Big J wrote:
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That's not really the point. Nobody had Scoot as a bust. If you had him outside of the top 2 you deserve props.


So what exactly are you patting yourself on the back here for? Brandon Miller is not the hill to die on, bro. :lol:

You put so much energy into hating Scoot, it's just strange. You're like the opposite of the dude who is promoting his son Chris Ledlum. Just give it a rest already. It's beating a dead horse, except with a real possibility in a year the horse is going to kick you in the ass like Jabari. :lol:


Miller has shown actual NBA skills though. He has length & shooting. His floor is so much higher than Scoots that it's not even funny. In todays NBA you have to be able to shoot 3's in order to stay on the court.


I mean, OK, but floor doesn't... really matter that much for when you're picking in the top 3?

Miller can contribute a little right away and it doesn't really matter at all because his team is still awful.

Scoot is not an NBA player unless he becomes a great shooter (Ausar and Amen probably aren't NBA players unless they become average shooters and that is....... much less likely), but he has a lot of interesting things if he does learn how to shoot as basically like Deron Williams with more defensive versatility.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1345 » by EvanZ » Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:40 am

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clyde21 wrote:hilarious how its the Thompson twins/Brandon Miller groupies hating on Scoot as if their guys are setting the league ablaze already. such bad faith nonsense. trash discussion across the board.


No one would be acting this way if you hadn't flamed us for not having the same opinion of Scoot as you did.


Come on bro. You can’t keep using this one excuse.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1346 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:14 pm

31 shots last night, is that impressive on its own? I mean he only made 11 but shooting 31 times is something I suppose.

Scoot shot 35%, rest of the blazers shot 50% and they lost by 11. I didn't watch the game and Blazers were missing a lot so I don't have a crazy strong opinion on the game as of now.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1347 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:59 pm

can we allow this dude to go through his development process without you trolls psychoanalyzing every statline every game? why arent you doing this to the Thompson twins?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1348 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:25 pm

clyde21 wrote:can we allow this dude to go through his development process without you trolls psychoanalyzing every statline every game? why arent you doing this to the Thompson twins?


So if Amen Thompson shot 31 times in a game you don't think anyone would notice or bring it up?

Ausar and Amen are actually positive Win Share players and have better PER Ratings despite far smaller roles than Scoot. Their teams just haven't given them the greenlight to shoot sub 40% and fire 20+ shots yet.

Amen is 56% defender in EPM, Ausar is 87% EPM defender and both are sub 20% on offense. We knew their shooting would be bad but they have at least shown some of the other skills that made people high on them long-term.

Scoot is 5% Def EPM, 12% offense. 3% total. He has been an inefficient chucker who is bad on defense. Those players are all over the league and usually are negative value guys.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1349 » by FrightCoward » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:48 pm

clyde21 wrote:can we allow this dude to go through his development process without you trolls psychoanalyzing every statline every game? why arent you doing this to the Thompson twins?


Aren’t you doing this to Paolo every time Jabari Smith throws up a middling game and you claim that he’s “without a doubt” going to be a better player than Banchero long term? Lol. Scoot hasn’t been good so far, but he’s also shown flashes and has the potential to be good down the road.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1350 » by clyde21 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:14 am

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clyde21 wrote:can we allow this dude to go through his development process without you trolls psychoanalyzing every statline every game? why arent you doing this to the Thompson twins?


Aren’t you doing this to Paolo every time Jabari Smith throws up a middling game and you claim that he’s “without a doubt” going to be a better player than Banchero long term? Lol. Scoot hasn’t been good so far, but he’s also shown flashes and has the potential to be good down the road.


wtf are you talking about? when was the last time I touched the Paolo thread?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1351 » by The Sebastian Express » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:46 am

He shot 31 times because the Blazers roster playing last night was: Scoot, Ant Simons, Toumani Camara, Jabari Walker Jr, Duop Reath, Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert, Justin Minaya.

If you aren't watching the games and don't understand the Blazers roster and rotation situation, maybe don't try to analyze why he shot so much last night. He was one of exactly two Blazers on the floor who could create their own offense, shot 4-9 from three and got to the line nine times.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1352 » by Big J » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:37 am

clyde21 wrote:can we allow this dude to go through his development process without you trolls psychoanalyzing every statline every game? why arent you doing this to the Thompson twins?


You really don't want to do this fam.

Ausar today: 6-8 14,8,2 & 3 with 0 turns and was a +9
Amen today: 7-8 14, 3 & 1 with 1 turn.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1353 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:31 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:He shot 31 times because the Blazers roster playing last night was: Scoot, Ant Simons, Toumani Camara, Jabari Walker Jr, Duop Reath, Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert, Justin Minaya.

If you aren't watching the games and don't understand the Blazers roster and rotation situation, maybe don't try to analyze why he shot so much last night. He was one of exactly two Blazers on the floor who could create their own offense, shot 4-9 from three and got to the line nine times.


The rest of the team combined shot 50% from field, while Scoot took a billion shots at 35%. I mean it is just 1 game, just probably have it more as a neutral game then a good game given he missed 20 shots.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1354 » by The Sebastian Express » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:05 am

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The Sebastian Express wrote:He shot 31 times because the Blazers roster playing last night was: Scoot, Ant Simons, Toumani Camara, Jabari Walker Jr, Duop Reath, Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert, Justin Minaya.

If you aren't watching the games and don't understand the Blazers roster and rotation situation, maybe don't try to analyze why he shot so much last night. He was one of exactly two Blazers on the floor who could create their own offense, shot 4-9 from three and got to the line nine times.


The rest of the team combined shot 50% from field, while Scoot took a billion shots at 35%. I mean it is just 1 game, just probably have it more as a neutral game then a good game given he missed 20 shots.


As I watched the game, which you didn't, I'm aware of what the rest of the team shot. I'm aware of why they shot what they shot and I'm aware as to why he shot as much as he did, which you didn't seem aware of when you came into this thread to try to gloat without context. Which I find disingenuous and driven by an agenda.

Baby be happy with Brandon Miller. Don't hate on a nineteen year old and try to take stuff out of context to fit the narrative you're trying to create. He's not a chucker. He shot thirty-one times because he was put into that position due to the roster construction, injuries and illness. He took the shots that were given to him, had some roll off, and had some that were just off - it's well known he has to continue to work on his shooting, something he himself knows as he's constantly at the gym after games putting buckets up.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1355 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:02 am

I would say that Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Jarace Walker, Taylor Hendricks, Jett Howard, Gradey Dick, and Kobe Bufkin are all having pretty terrible seasons that raise question marks about how good they'll be when they're older. Scoot and Dick are having easily the worst seasons out of this group, but the Thompsons have raised the most serious question marks as their current archetype is completely worthless in the modern NBA.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1356 » by mattao313 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:47 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:I would say that Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Jarace Walker, Taylor Hendricks, Jett Howard, Gradey Dick, and Kobe Bufkin are all having pretty terrible seasons that raise question marks about how good they'll be when they're older. Scoot and Dick are having easily the worst seasons out of this group, but the Thompsons have raised the most serious question marks as their current archetype is completely worthless in the modern NBA.
I don't think Ausar is having a terrible season but you are right about his shooting being a huge red flag. But watching him the athleticism, playmaking, and defense has translated. All he needs to do is develop more and learn to shoot.

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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1357 » by Colbinii » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:18 pm

My biggest concern with Scoot is he seems to be processing everything slower than I expected. He is often times indecisive, which you hope to see improve as he gets fully healthy and get his burst back. I would like to see Portland field an actual roster around him that allows him to be in a position to succeed but I worry it will end up being another Cade-in-Detroit situation where the roster management is putrid and the development of a player isn't helped by the roster.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1358 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:26 pm

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The Sebastian Express wrote:He shot 31 times because the Blazers roster playing last night was: Scoot, Ant Simons, Toumani Camara, Jabari Walker Jr, Duop Reath, Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert, Justin Minaya.

If you aren't watching the games and don't understand the Blazers roster and rotation situation, maybe don't try to analyze why he shot so much last night. He was one of exactly two Blazers on the floor who could create their own offense, shot 4-9 from three and got to the line nine times.


The rest of the team combined shot 50% from field, while Scoot took a billion shots at 35%. I mean it is just 1 game, just probably have it more as a neutral game then a good game given he missed 20 shots.


As I watched the game, which you didn't, I'm aware of what the rest of the team shot. I'm aware of why they shot what they shot and I'm aware as to why he shot as much as he did, which you didn't seem aware of when you came into this thread to try to gloat without context. Which I find disingenuous and driven by an agenda.

Baby be happy with Brandon Miller. Don't hate on a nineteen year old and try to take stuff out of context to fit the narrative you're trying to create. He's not a chucker. He shot thirty-one times because he was put into that position due to the roster construction, injuries and illness. He took the shots that were given to him, had some roll off, and had some that were just off - it's well known he has to continue to work on his shooting, something he himself knows as he's constantly at the gym after games putting buckets up.


Well him shooting 13 times more than Simons when he is a much worse offensive player is a bit alarming for that game... but the chucker comment isn't just this game. He also shot 4/21 2 games before this one. He has shot below 50% in 26/30 games this year.

He is shooting 36.4% from the field and grades out as one of the worst defenders in the league. That is pretty much the definition of a chucker.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1359 » by Big J » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:48 pm

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The rest of the team combined shot 50% from field, while Scoot took a billion shots at 35%. I mean it is just 1 game, just probably have it more as a neutral game then a good game given he missed 20 shots.


As I watched the game, which you didn't, I'm aware of what the rest of the team shot. I'm aware of why they shot what they shot and I'm aware as to why he shot as much as he did, which you didn't seem aware of when you came into this thread to try to gloat without context. Which I find disingenuous and driven by an agenda.

Baby be happy with Brandon Miller. Don't hate on a nineteen year old and try to take stuff out of context to fit the narrative you're trying to create. He's not a chucker. He shot thirty-one times because he was put into that position due to the roster construction, injuries and illness. He took the shots that were given to him, had some roll off, and had some that were just off - it's well known he has to continue to work on his shooting, something he himself knows as he's constantly at the gym after games putting buckets up.


Well him shooting 13 times more than Simons when he is a much worse offensive player is a bit alarming for that game... but the chucker comment isn't just this game. He also shot 4/21 2 games before this one. He has shot below 50% in 26/30 games this year.

He is shooting 36.4% from the field and grades out as one of the worst defenders in the league. That is pretty much the definition of a chucker.


Reminds me of Jonny Flynn's rookie year.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1360 » by JRoy » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:32 pm

Colbinii wrote:My biggest concern with Scoot is he seems to be processing everything slower than I expected. He is often times indecisive, which you hope to see improve as he gets fully healthy and get his burst back. I would like to see Portland field an actual roster around him that allows him to be in a position to succeed but I worry it will end up being another Cade-in-Detroit situation where the roster management is putrid and the development of a player isn't helped by the roster.


Acquiring one player willing and able to set an nba quality screen would be a great start.

Everyone currently on the team is either too small or too sissy (Ayton) to do so.
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