2021 NBA Draft

[Coeur]

Trayce Jackson Davis


Way under rated IMO. What are your thoughts on him. Really a huge believer in Nnaji with the Nugs and see a similar “miscast” in the NCAA compared to what he will be in the nba.

[jman3134]

Initially, I agreed with you given the athleticism, size, and mobility that jump out on film. He has not shown he can extend the D from the perimeter and his defense is a bit suspect at times. I am a bit higher on him than others though, but I think scouts are looking at his offensive toolset and thinking he is a little one dimensional as a faceup big. I actually disagree and think his natural gifts and development could be excellent at the next level. To me, he is a borderline 1st, but has substantially more upside.

[clyde21]

TJD a late first round type, I like him, would've liked him a lot more had he developed some semblance of a 3 ball this year, FT shooting needs ton be better, but I think he'll be kinda like a Grant Williams in the NBA, maybe better depending on where his shot/range go from here

[clyde21]

Franz Wagner shouldn't fall out of the top10

[Ruzious]

Franz Wagner shouldn't fall out of the top10

He's got real good defensive numbers, but is his defense likely to carry over to the NBA?

[MotownMadness]

Franz Wagner shouldn't fall out of the top10

Dang, forgot Michigan played today but yeah I agree.

[clyde21]

Franz Wagner shouldn't fall out of the top10

He's got real good defensive numbers, but is his defense likely to carry over to the NBA?

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the perimeter against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

[SNPA]

Franz Wagner shouldn't fall out of the top10

He's got real good defensive numbers, but is his defense likely to carry over to the NBA?

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

[bwgood77]

Moving from the Anthony Edwards thread a few people are derailing

Who cares where people had prospects ranked months ago. Who cares where they have them ranked now? These are all just opinions that are like throwing darts at how everything will translate given the character, work ethic, coachability, ability to stay healthy, it takes to succeed...too many things we can only know so much about.

Everyone cares, unless you are of the naive opinion that everyone knows an equal amount and should have their opinion weighed exactly the same. There's a difference between someone who's throwing darts and someone who's so clueless about darts that they attempt to eat them and then start screaming at people who point out that darts are not food.

Not everyone knows an equal amount, but given how much goes into the equation out of HS or college play and measurements, the amount people know is negligible. Even advanced scouts with years of experience analyzing game field in depth, talking to coaches of players, interviewing players, having individual workouts, etc, pick busts in the top 5 and 10 every year and some others pick players that turn out to be gems very few people had ranked high. Even many advanced scouts and teams with 100x the resources most of the people posting here have pick players...almost all are hit or miss outside of a handful in each draft and others that become rotation players eventually.

I know everyone is sky high on their own opinions and debating things is fun, but no need to get into pissing matches about opinions and derail other threads, particularly when mods have asked you to keep the thread to Anthony Edwards.

[clyde21]

He's got real good defensive numbers, but is his defense likely to carry over to the NBA?

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

what's the ceiling on a two-way 6-9 combo forward with his scoring tool box and defensive prowess?

[SNPA]

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

what's the ceiling on a two-way 6-9 combo forward with his scoring tool box and defensive prowess?

Yeah. Lol

I’ve just begun looking at this years draft. I’ve only seen a little of him, and he was dominating a scrub team. I’m curious how he scales against NBA athletes.

[Catchall]

He's got real good defensive numbers, but is his defense likely to carry over to the NBA?

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

Maybe a better version of Dario Saric -- more toughness, defense and rebounding. Not a star per se, but a good rotational player and all-around glue guy. Maybe he can do 11/7/2.5 with good rotational defense at the 4.

[SNPA]

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

Maybe a better version of Dario Saric -- more toughness, defense and rebounding. Not a star per se, but a good rotational player and all-around glue guy. Maybe he can do 11/7/2.5 with good rotational defense at the 4.

Not SF at the NBA level? This was my concern with him.

[pcbothwel]

his team/help defense will for sure carry over, he's switchable on the against wings/forwards and can switch from the perimeter to help inside as well, the length, mobility and bbiq are all there.

What’s his ceiling though?

Maybe a better version of Dario Saric -- more toughness, defense and rebounding. Not a star per se, but a good rotational player and all-around glue guy. Maybe he can do 11/7/2.5 with good rotational defense at the 4.

I see a blend of Gordon Hayward and motivated Batum.

[clyde21]

What’s his ceiling though?

Maybe a better version of Dario Saric -- more toughness, defense and rebounding. Not a star per se, but a good rotational player and all-around glue guy. Maybe he can do 11/7/2.5 with good rotational defense at the 4.

Not SF at the NBA level? This was my concern with him.

i have him as a 4, but he's a combo forward really depending on your sets/lineups and what the match up is...but baseline position should be a 4 in the NBA.

[Catchall]

What’s his ceiling though?

Maybe a better version of Dario Saric -- more toughness, defense and rebounding. Not a star per se, but a good rotational player and all-around glue guy. Maybe he can do 11/7/2.5 with good rotational defense at the 4.

Not SF at the NBA level? This was my concern with him.

I think he can probably stay attached to some wings on switches, but I don't think he's really a wing. He's a bit stiff in the hips and lower back. The good news is that he has some size and toughness to defend in the post. His defensive IQ and instincts are pretty solid.

[jman3134]

I haven't seen as much of him as I would have liked, but I don't see it with Wagner.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Ayo had the ball on a string yesterday against Sconsin - dominating in an impressive win.

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He should be a lottery pick this upcoming draft. I think him and Jared Butler are being underrated because they're upperclassmen.

Before this common era of one-and-done players going to the NBA became the norm; my bias was toward the upperclassman. I recall the draft that had Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard. I confess I thought Okafor was going to be the better player.

Jared Butler has improved in each of his three seasons at Baylor.

Ayo Dosunmu Has done the same at Illinois.

Now, however, I assume Jalen Suggs will be on a whole different level talent-wise in the NBA even if I can’t say he’s a much better college player than either one of those guys. The same is true for Sharife Cooper. Based on talent alone he should be rated higher.

Or, maybe there is a bias that favors freshmen and other players perceived to have potential upside. I just have to remember how much better Dwight Howard was than college player of the year Okafor.

I'm not saying he should go first overall but outside the top 5 guys (Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga) I don't know if there is a prospect out there that I'd prefer other than him and Jared Butler.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

He should be a lottery pick this upcoming draft. I think him and Jared Butler are being underrated because they're upperclassmen.

Before this common era of one-and-done players going to the NBA became the norm; my bias was toward the upperclassman. I recall the draft that had Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard. I confess I thought Okafor was going to be the better player.

Jared Butler has improved in each of his three seasons at Baylor.

Ayo Dosunmu Has done the same at Illinois.

Now, however, I assume Jalen Suggs will be on a whole different level talent-wise in the NBA even if I can’t say he’s a much better college player than either one of those guys. The same is true for Sharife Cooper. Based on talent alone he should be rated higher.

Or, maybe there is a bias that favors freshmen and other players perceived to have potential upside. I just have to remember how much better Dwight Howard was than college player of the year Okafor.

I'm not saying he should go first overall but outside the top 5 guys (Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga) I don't know if there is a prospect out there that I'd prefer other than him and Jared Butler.

I feel the same way. I would draft him in the top 8 to 15.

[nolang1]

Moving from the Anthony Edwards thread a few people are derailing

Who cares where people had prospects ranked months ago. Who cares where they have them ranked now? These are all just opinions that are like throwing darts at how everything will translate given the character, work ethic, coachability, ability to stay healthy, it takes to succeed...too many things we can only know so much about.

Everyone cares, unless you are of the naive opinion that everyone knows an equal amount and should have their opinion weighed exactly the same. There's a difference between someone who's throwing darts and someone who's so clueless about darts that they attempt to eat them and then start screaming at people who point out that darts are not food.

Not everyone knows an equal amount, but given how much goes into the equation out of HS or college play and measurements, the amount people know is negligible. Even advanced scouts with years of experience analyzing game field in depth, talking to coaches of players, interviewing players, having individual workouts, etc, pick busts in the top 5 and 10 every year and some others pick players that turn out to be gems very few people had ranked high. Even many advanced scouts and teams with 100x the resources most of the people posting here have pick players...almost all are hit or miss outside of a handful in each draft and others that become rotation players eventually.

Yep, and in the analogy those would be people who are still throwing darts and when challenged could at least offer a logical explanation of why they think the way they do without resorting to "SMH U MAD BRO!?!?!" type of tantrums.