I know I shouldnt feed the trolls but I will, because you look desperate for attention.
so u think kanter lost his skills by not playing bball for a long time and jonas improved alot since then and will contineu improving while magically kanter couldnt improve anymore right ? lol dude u make me laugh
just take a look at the way jonas play its not anything special but kanter dominating the paint amazing foot work and fundamentals add the mid range jumper, kid got talent which jonas lacks, its something u cant learn by hardworking or taking 200 ft per day
kanter dominated every single tournament or match he joined since now, the same cant be said for jonas,whats makes u think kanter cant domine in the nba as well ?
Because Kanters a lot of youth game is based on his strength which he wont have an uperside in NBA against most of the centers. How will he cope with that is not clear.
Valanciunas clearly lacks talent and thats why he won the MVP of 2008 and 2010. Kanter has 2009 MVP on his belt.
Obviously the guy with no talent always gets one MVP tittle more over the so much talent filled guy. I mean its usual, right?
In 2009 Kanter and Valanciunas met also the preliminary round. Lith won it fairly easy then. Kanter still looked better than Jonas but not overwhelmingly so.
Kanters stats
Min -33, FG 8/18 (44.4%), Ft 6/9 (66.7%), Rebs 12, As -1, To - 5, ST - 2, BS - 3, Pf - 2, Pts - 22
Valanciunas stats
Min - 28, FG 7/8 (87.4%), Ft 6/7 (85.7%), Rebs - 5, As -1, To - 3, ST - 2, BS - 2, Pf - 4, Pts - 20
Kanter was better rebounding in that game but Valanciunas was much more efficient player in the post, scoring at a high %. He took twice as little shots compared to Kanter but finished getting pretty much the same number of pts.
One of the reason why Kanter got so many rebs is because in Turkey he is the only good rebounder, in Lithaunian team there are a lot of good rebounder so rebound stats never get focused on one player (usually reb statistic of 2009 is very spread out).
In the smi's however Kanter really did dominate Valanciunas.
Kanter had an amazing tournament but Valanciunas was there too. Except for that one bad game with Turkey in Semi's he playd well an consistant (was the second in the 2009 by points while Kanter was third, again its only because his lack of talent why Valanciunas took the second place obviously).
Kanter was first in rebounds while Valanciunas was fourth.
Clearly Valanciunas lacks talent so thats why even in there he ended up being second in efficiency.
Macvan didnt dominate like kanter did,kid broke nowitzki's record,nowitzki showed that he would become a good player in the nike hoops as well, so since u take macvan as a bad example do i need to say how many players did good in euro but failed in the nba ? i think i wont even mention right ?
Macvan had
FG - 9/17, Ft - 3/4, Rebs - 14, Ass - 6, To - 4, Bs - 1, St - 1 Pts - 23
Kanter had
FG - 13/21, Ft - 8/9, Rebs - 13, Ass - 0, To - 3, Bs - 0, St - 0, Pts - 34
Kanter was more dominant but Macvan was pretty dominant as well, not to mention that with Kanter world team lost, while with Macvan world team won (though Macvan got a lot help from Motiejunas who was stroking in the 4th).
and even kanter not playing bball for a long time it doesnt mean he quit training,hes training hard in the usa, kanter dont need to prove himself anymore its not his fault that NCAA didnt let him play otherwise he would dominate the NCAA as well,on the other hand all u have for jonas is hope,hope and hope, while kanter dominated everything he was in.
Training alone is never that good. Playing on a competative level and getting minutes is far much more worthy in rapid quality increase.
Valanciunas was slightly worse player than Kanter (he did however dominated most of the games just like Kanter did thus taking two MVP's), and I said so before - two years ago I would have taken Kanter over Valanciunas without asking any questions - Valanciunas was great but Kanter was better, however during these years Valanciunas continued to improve at a rapid pace (heck in 1010 He finished the tournament ranking 1st in 8 statistical categories (incl. rebounding, FTs attempted and made, FG percentage), and 2nd in 4 others (incl. scoring and blocked shots).
While Kanter may work hard in training, still training is no match to Euroleague level.
Jonas has appeared in 14 Euroleague games, eight starts and being at young age, surprisingly proved himself as one of the most productive big men in the league.
Numbers speak for them selves: he averages 7.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in only 15 minutes. That means Valanciunas scores 0.51 points (12th result in the league) and grabs 0.36 rebound (second result) per minute while not playing against the College guys but in the second strongest league in the world.
Kanter to that can only offer that he trains hard. Too bad that Valanciunas is relentless in his working ethics (I very much doubt that Kanter shoots 200 FT after every game and training just to improve his FT, which for Valanciunas is already ridiculously 90%+ high anyway.
Kanter is more individual player, likes focus on himself, Valanciunas is more of the team player - never gets angry or frustrated for not getting touches.
Kanter sometimes slack off on defensive end, never happens with Valanciunas who keeps his motor running on both ends of the floor.
Durability may be another issue as Kanter has been nursing some problems with his knees (its not too bad, but it is still concern worthy at such young age). Valanciunas never had any major injuries. In this season he missed one game because he rolled his leg hard, but he could have played in it if there was a need, but since Rytas won with a comfortable margin there was no need for him to play.
You like Kanter better - fine, I myself think he has a better frame and is more ready to play in the NBA than Jonas at the moment we speak, but saying that Valanciunas lacks talent is ridiculously absurd.
