Joel Embiid

EMG518 · Post #141 » by **EMG518** » Sun Dec 8, 2013 10:21 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I like Roy Hibbert as the Embiid comparison, which is great so long as the guy picked after him isn't a superstar

Thing is his upside is way higher than Hibbert. He has the attributes for the post game and defensive prescence of a Hibbert but he has already shown he is a far better passer and could develop the ability to handle the ball. I like his potential for a jump shot as well.

EddieJonesFan · Post #142 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Sun Dec 8, 2013 10:54 pm

I see him more as a Bynum with a much higher IQ and better passing ability.

black bart · Post #143 » by **black bart** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 12:22 am

Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high but he is not andrew bynum. Roy Hibbert is a good example. Jonas Val is where I expect him first couple years. He could develop into 17-10 guy but that might be 5 or 6 years in the nba. He will be top 5 but I feel like there is only one gurantee (jabari parker) player in this draft. He is by far the only player that is playing nba level this year. Andrew Wiggins would probably go #2, Exum #3, and embiid #4. I don't like randle's game at all so I don't know where to put him.

CBB_Fan · Post #144 » by **CBB_Fan** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 12:41 am

nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high but he is not andrew bynum. Roy Hibbert is a good example. Jonas Val is where I expect him first couple years. He could develop into 17-10 guy but that might be 5 or 6 years in the nba. He will be top 5 but I feel like there is only one gurantee (jabari parker) player in this draft. He is by far the only player that is playing nba level this year. Andrew Wiggins would probably go #2, Exum #3, and embiid #4. I don't like randle's game at all so I don't know where to put him.

This is just wrong. See this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lgI-8np7w[/youtube]

In order, he does a euro-step, hook, seals his man for a layup, spins between two defenders, dunks, seals his man for a dunk, gets fouled on a fast break, and then seals his man for another dunk. Against Villanova, where he got 10 points and 5 rebounds in 12 minutes, almost all his points came from actual post moves. It has been a while since we've seen a big man with developed post game, but Embiid certainly has one.

EddieJonesFan · Post #145 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 12:50 am

Bynum doesn't really have great post moves or anything, he just knows a few basic moves, and with his touch, strength, and length, he can be an 18-20 ppg scorer if he's in good physical condition. There's no big advantage that Bynum has over Embiid, except maybe the ability to carry more bulk, but maybe his knee problems say otherwise.

ManualRam · Post #146 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 12:51 am

nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high

i don't even think he's hit one jumper this yr, at most 1 or 2. he has a nice stroke in terms of form but that is not a big part of his arsenal.
and he has shown nice moves in the post, especially when he goes quick. he makes good use of shoulder fakes and appears to have an idea of how to feel his defender.

you're pretty much just... wrong.

black bart · Post #147 » by **black bart** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 12:55 am

ManualRam wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high

i don't even think he's hit one jumper this yr, at most 1 or 2. he has a nice stroke in terms of form but that is not a big part of his arsenal.
and he has shown nice moves in the post, especially when he goes quick. he makes good use of shoulder fakes and appears to have an idea of how to feel his defender.

you're pretty much just... wrong.

The only thing he has shown is a good short shot and ability to finish near the rim. What are you talking about his post moves? Watching colorado he held the ball high and then dished it out. He never put the ball on the ground and his scores came near the rim. I only watched the colorado game and duke game but both games he hasn't shown anything in terms of a post game. The reason why I thought he did this was because his weight.

ManualRam · Post #148 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 2:08 am

nhh90 wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high

i don't even think he's hit one jumper this yr, at most 1 or 2. he has a nice stroke in terms of form but that is not a big part of his arsenal.
and he has shown nice moves in the post, especially when he goes quick. he makes good use of shoulder fakes and appears to have an idea of how to feel his defender.

you're pretty much just... wrong.

The only thing he has shown is a good short shot and ability to finish near the rim. What are you talking about his post moves? Watching colorado he held the ball high and then dished it out. He never put the ball on the ground and his scores came near the rim. I only watched the colorado game and duke game but both games he hasn't shown anything in terms of a post game. The reason why I thought he did this was because his weight.

maybe you should've watched more than 2 games before you made a blanket statement about what he can and can't do.
his feel for the post is advanced for his age and is extremely advanced for his level of experience. he obviously feels comfortable there which is half the battle at his stage of development. he shows flashes of advanced post play like being patient with his touches, post passing, the ability to turn over either shoulder, knowing how to use his shoulders and upper arms to create space on moves, showing soft touch with either hand after performing a move, etc.
he's more of a finesse, skill player at this point than a raw athlete with great size and it's because he's shown that post skill, passing and soft touch.

LloydFree · Post #149 » by **LloydFree** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:30 pm

nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves...

This is incorrect. Embiid has much better post moves than most Freshman. 7'0 footers who can play with their back to the basket, and get into position to sink both RH and LH hooks, have post moves. Aginst Colorado, Embiid was also able to spin to his left, out of a post, into a short jumper in the lane. He did all that in the first few minutes he was on the floor against Colorado. Those were post moves. The guy looked like Robert Parrish out there for a couple minutes. That is rare for a Freshman center. Shaq couldn't do those things as a freshman.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #150 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 6:30 pm

Embiid shows a very solid set of skills for a player who has only been hooping for 4 years or so. As he gets more comfortable and grows both physically and mentally I could definitely see him having a very advanced and effective offensive game.

JDizzel3000 · Post #151 » by **JDizzel3000** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:47 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves. He has a good 14 foot shot wide open and could finish near the rim. That is why his fg% is very high but he is not andrew bynum. Roy Hibbert is a good example. Jonas Val is where I expect him first couple years. He could develop into 17-10 guy but that might be 5 or 6 years in the nba. He will be top 5 but I feel like there is only one gurantee (jabari parker) player in this draft. He is by far the only player that is playing nba level this year. Andrew Wiggins would probably go #2, Exum #3, and embiid #4. I don't like randle's game at all so I don't know where to put him.

This is just wrong. See this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lgI-8np7w[/youtube]

In order, he does a euro-step, hook, seals his man for a layup, spins between two defenders, dunks, seals his man for a dunk, gets fouled on a fast break, and then seals his man for another dunk. Against Villanova, where he got 10 points and 5 rebounds in 12 minutes, almost all his points came from actual post moves. It has been a while since we've seen a big man with developed post game, but Embiid certainly has one.

Did this 7footer just eurostep thru the lane? Wow ...I need to watch more of this guy

And you guys say he's only been playing ball for four years? Yeah give him a few more months at this level this kid may go #1

MojoPharoah · Post #152 » by **MojoPharoah** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:36 pm

LloydFree wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Joel Embiid has shown zero post moves...

This is incorrect. Embiid has much better post moves than most Freshman. 7'0 footers who can play with their back to the basket, and get into position to sink both RH and LH hooks, have post moves. Aginst Colorado, Embiid was also able to spin to his left, out of a post, into a short jumper in the lane. He did all that in the first few minutes he was on the floor against Colorado. Those were post moves. The guy looked like Robert Parrish out there for a couple minutes. That is rare for a Freshman center. Shaq couldn't do those things as a freshman.

Dwight Howard and Javale McGee can't do them now. lol

ManualRam · Post #153 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:36 am

i hope embiid doesn't strictly become a finesse guy. even at 250 he has some strength issues. i'd like to see him play with more of an edge/mean streak.

mattg · Post #154 » by **mattg** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:55 am

ManualRam wrote:i hope embiid doesn't strictly become a finesse guy. even at 250 he has some strength issues. i'd like to see him play with more of an edge/mean streak.

That's what I'd like to see as well. He can finesse his way around defenders but there are times I'd like to see him go up strong and play to contact more.

Okada · Post #155 » by **Okada** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:02 am

I like Embiid, but it's just silly to suggest he could go 1st. Not in this draft, it's not happening. That would either take a shocking pick or Embiid to start dropping 20-15s every game starting now.

ManualRam · Post #156 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:05 am

Okada wrote:I like Embiid, but it's just silly to suggest he could go 1st. Not in this draft, it's not happening. That would either take a shocking pick or Embiid to start dropping 20-15s every game starting now.

no, all it would take is for one team to think that he has the highest upside in the entire draft.
his numbers this yr almost don't matter. he wouldn't be drafted for what he is today.

Okada · Post #157 » by **Okada** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:06 am

...A shocking pick.

That's what I was talking about, buddy.

ManualRam · Post #158 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:08 am

Okada wrote:...A shocking pick.

That's what I was talking about, buddy.

not really. a team thinking that embiid has the highest ceiling in this draft would not be shocking, pal.

Okada · Post #159 » by **Okada** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:16 am

A team thinking Embiid has the highest ceiling would not necessarily be shocking, but Joel Embiid going first overall in THIS draft class without a serious increase in his college production would absolutely be a shocking pick. We're talking about him going up against Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and Smart here, not Bennett, Oladipo, Noel, and Porter.

BossHoggin · Post #160 » by **BossHoggin** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:29 am

ManualRam wrote:
Okada wrote:...A shocking pick.

That's what I was talking about, buddy.

not really. a team thinking that embiid has the highest ceiling in this draft would not be shocking, pal.

this guy claims he would have drafted Kawhi Leonard, Drummond, and Oladipo for the Cavs, that's why he would consider anything except hype machine Wiggins at #1 a shock.