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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#141 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:08 am

Choker wrote:We have a draft thread over on the Raptors board, and I'm heavily leaning towards Bender if the pick we got from the Knicks is in the lottery; I don't think he'll be a star that can carry a team, but he looks like he can be a taller Draymond Green if he keeps on improving as a shooter and defender. A lot of Raptors fans took one quick look at his stats and dismissed him as a bust.

For those that keep an eye on him, what's the reason for his low stats?


He's an 18 year old kid playing in Euroleague, which is an extremely high level of basketball. Pretty much every rotation player in Euroleague at his position is either bigger, stronger, or more athletic than him, or some combination of those things. Every 18 year old kid struggles and plays awful in Euroleague. Including ALL of the hyped up players by US sports media and on this forum, like Rubio (who was awful in Euroleague at age 20), Mirotic, Hezonja, etc.

Porzingis was 19 and was not even playing at Euroleague level. Antetokounmpo came from Greece's version of the D-League.

Even the Israeli League, where Bender plays half of his games, and which is one of the worst national leagues in Europe, even that league is better than the D-League. Much better than the D-League.

The simple reason is that high school kids can't compete at Euroleague level, other than to be scrubs rounding out a bench. That includes high school kids in USA. They are too young and just not physically able to compete at a level like Euroleague. Basically just about every single NBA draft pick from Europe is either a scrub in Euroleague, or a scrub from a lower level European league, as in lower level than Euroleague.

It's a myth that somehow a lot of people think players drafted from Europe are all "dominating Europe", when in reality, you are mostly getting guys not in the top 300-500 players in Europe at the time they are drafted. They are almost all projects, prospects, talents, in Europe.

There are rare exceptions of guys already producing in good European leagues like Porzingis, when they are drafted, but even Porzingis did not play at the Euroleague level (he played in 2nd tier Eurocup). I know, I know, ESPN regularly claims on TV that he played in Euroleague, I have seen it many times. But they are wrong, he did not. And he played on one of the by far worst teams in the 2nd level Eurocup. So even in the rare case like Porzingis, even he was not one of the top players in Europe in his last season there. Far from it actually.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#142 » by Kabookalu » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:12 am

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Choker wrote:We have a draft thread over on the Raptors board, and I'm heavily leaning towards Bender if the pick we got from the Knicks is in the lottery; I don't think he'll be a star that can carry a team, but he looks like he can be a taller Draymond Green if he keeps on improving as a shooter and defender. A lot of Raptors fans took one quick look at his stats and dismissed him as a bust.

For those that keep an eye on him, what's the reason for his low stats?


He's an 18 year old kid playing in Euroleague, which is an extremely high level of basketball. Pretty much every rotation player in Euroleague at his position is either bigger, stronger, or more athletic than him, or some combination of those things. Every 18 year old kid struggles and plays awful in Euroleague. Including ALL of the hyped up players by US sports media and on this forum, like Rubio (who was awful in Euroleague at age 20), Mirotic, Hezonja, etc.

Porzingis was 19 and was not even playing at Euroleague level. Antetokounmpo came from Greece's version of the D-League.

Even the Israeli League, where Bender plays half of his games, and which is one of the worst national leagues in Europe, even that league is better than the D-League. Much better than the D-League.

The simple reason is that high school kids can't compete at Euroleague level, other than to be scrubs rounding out a bench. That includes high school kids in USA.


Thanks, that explains everything. I know this kid is going to be a star in the NBA.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#143 » by JustMagic » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:58 am

I don't know about Israeli league being "one of worst". It's not one of the top 6 (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Russia, France). So being 7th or 8th out of maybe 20 is one of the worst? :(

But the point about the D-league is correct. D-league stars came to the Israeli league and sucked.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#144 » by pohani komarac » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:01 am

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pohani komarac wrote:First, in game (if you watched Bender playing, not just clips) Bender and Mirotic have no similaritys besides being stretch 4. Bender is all round player. His closest comparison is probably Kirilenko in terms of style. 2nd Bender is more athletic if you don't count only vertical. He is actually above average in most athletic atributes. Mirotic is tougher and better scorer, but Bender has much more upside, especially on defense

check this defense on Voroncevic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Epg_sBZq4

2 nice dunks

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxirxC2_10w[/youtube]


How? No big man in Euroleague has ever been as soft as Niko. As for the Kirilenko comparisons, I don't think so. Bender is much more of a spread 4, or a face up kind of player. Kirilenko had almost no similar play style or skill.


Bender plays as PF only because he is 7'1. If he was just bit shorter he would play as SF. His playing style and contribution to game is similar to Kirilenko, but for pro game he needs some adjasmetns in future
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#145 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:13 pm

Bender reminds me of Noah not Porzingis. Porzingis has Dirk's game with a bit more athleticism and a little less shooting.

- 7 feet tall
- slim build
- good rebounder
- excellent passer
- good pick and roll defender
- so so outside shooter
- decent handle for a big
- solid shot blocker
- weak, can be pushed around
- limited scorer, not a go to man on offense
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#146 » by KingKyrie1 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:33 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Bender reminds me of Noah not Porzingis. Porzingis has Dirk's game with a bit more athleticism and a little less shooting.

- 7 feet tall
- slim build
- good rebounder
- excellent passer
- good pick and roll defender
- so so outside shooter
- decent handle for a big
- solid shot blocker
- weak, can be pushed around
- limited scorer, not a go to man on offense


noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#147 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:51 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:Bender reminds me of Noah not Porzingis. Porzingis has Dirk's game with a bit more athleticism and a little less shooting.

- 7 feet tall
- slim build
- good rebounder
- excellent passer
- good pick and roll defender
- so so outside shooter
- decent handle for a big
- solid shot blocker
- weak, can be pushed around
- limited scorer, not a go to man on offense


noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?



I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#148 » by KingKyrie1 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:03 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Bender reminds me of Noah not Porzingis. Porzingis has Dirk's game with a bit more athleticism and a little less shooting.

- 7 feet tall
- slim build
- good rebounder
- excellent passer
- good pick and roll defender
- so so outside shooter
- decent handle for a big
- solid shot blocker
- weak, can be pushed around
- limited scorer, not a go to man on offense


noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?



I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.


No, they are just not similar at all.
How can you compare the two if they don't even resemble the same game? Noah carved a great career by playing great defense and being super active and fierce, Bender will not reach this level, i'm not even sure he is gonna be a plus defender.
Noah can not shoot, at all. Bender has shown almost perfect form and is not afraid to pull the trigger he can run the court and is athletic but that's it.
HE hasn't shown me anything yet, he can be a great thing or a complete bust, he is just too young to tell and I can't think of a comparison for him since there aren't many players like him in the NBA.
He has to show the right mentality first and he has yet to show it, he sometimes looks timid and that's okay.
And yes, he is way more of Porzingis than Noah.. lol
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#149 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:22 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Choker wrote:We have a draft thread over on the Raptors board, and I'm heavily leaning towards Bender if the pick we got from the Knicks is in the lottery; I don't think he'll be a star that can carry a team, but he looks like he can be a taller Draymond Green if he keeps on improving as a shooter and defender. A lot of Raptors fans took one quick look at his stats and dismissed him as a bust.

For those that keep an eye on him, what's the reason for his low stats?


He's an 18 year old kid playing in Euroleague, which is an extremely high level of basketball. Pretty much every rotation player in Euroleague at his position is either bigger, stronger, or more athletic than him, or some combination of those things. Every 18 year old kid struggles and plays awful in Euroleague. Including ALL of the hyped up players by US sports media and on this forum, like Rubio (who was awful in Euroleague at age 20), Mirotic, Hezonja, etc.

Porzingis was 19 and was not even playing at Euroleague level. Antetokounmpo came from Greece's version of the D-League.

Even the Israeli League, where Bender plays half of his games, and which is one of the worst national leagues in Europe, even that league is better than the D-League. Much better than the D-League.

The simple reason is that high school kids can't compete at Euroleague level, other than to be scrubs rounding out a bench. That includes high school kids in USA. They are too young and just not physically able to compete at a level like Euroleague. Basically just about every single NBA draft pick from Europe is either a scrub in Euroleague, or a scrub from a lower level European league, as in lower level than Euroleague.

It's a myth that somehow a lot of people think players drafted from Europe are all "dominating Europe", when in reality, you are mostly getting guys not in the top 300-500 players in Europe at the time they are drafted. They are almost all projects, prospects, talents, in Europe.

There are rare exceptions of guys already producing in good European leagues like Porzingis, when they are drafted, but even Porzingis did not play at the Euroleague level (he played in 2nd tier Eurocup). I know, I know, ESPN regularly claims on TV that he played in Euroleague, I have seen it many times. But they are wrong, he did not. And he played on one of the by far worst teams in the 2nd level Eurocup. So even in the rare case like Porzingis, even he was not one of the top players in Europe in his last season there. Far from it actually.


If all this is true then why has Saric played relatively well for the past 2 years or so? I think I asked you before to compare Saric and Bender and Porzingis but can you tell me again? Can you please tank the three as far as having the highest ceiling? Is Saric playing well before he was even drafted change your thoughts on him and think he can be as good as Porzingis? Where do you rank Bender in this draft? If he were playing at Kentucky this year would he be dominating?
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Post#150 » by UcanUwill » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:44 pm

I really have no idea how good this guy is. He haven't played in recent junior tournaments, NCAA is usually comparable to FIBA u19 in terms of player stats and the level of competition. Unfortunately, Bender didn't play in last u19, so its hard to say how he would look if he was on high profile NCAA team right now. People can only guess.
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Post#151 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:46 pm

KingKyrie1 wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?



I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.


No, they are just not similar at all.
How can you compare the two if they don't even resemble the same game? Noah carved a great career by playing great defense and being super active and fierce, Bender will not reach this level, i'm not even sure he is gonna be a plus defender.
Noah can not shoot, at all. Bender has shown almost perfect form and is not afraid to pull the trigger he can run the court and is athletic but that's it.
HE hasn't shown me anything yet, he can be a great thing or a complete bust, he is just too young to tell and I can't think of a comparison for him since there aren't many players like him in the NBA.
He has to show the right mentality first and he has yet to show it, he sometimes looks timid and that's okay.
And yes, he is way more of Porzingis than Noah.. lol



Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think Bender will be a plus defender - he's only 16. I agree Noah can't shoot at all but I didn't say it was a perfect comparison, just a comparison. Both can run the court really well and show guard like skills.

In terms of mentality, they are very different. I agree he does look timid, stays away from contact and that's why he won't be a dominant scorer. Most scorers are very confident and haven't met a shot they didn't think they could make. Porzingis has that in him. Noah is cocky, brash and a ridiculous motor. Porzingis is Dirk-lite. I can't see Dirk in Bender's game.

Hey here is something on Noah in college - http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Joakim-Noah-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2868/. I think we knew what Porzingis was when he went to the draft and I'm not sure what Bender will be which make him more of a risk. I don't like the young Gasol comparison although I can see why people would think that. I don't think he'll be that good but he has the potential to be a versatile big. He might not be as polished on offense as Pau but he'll be a better defender. He plays great D for a teenager.
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Post#152 » by KingKyrie1 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:00 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:

I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.


No, they are just not similar at all.
How can you compare the two if they don't even resemble the same game? Noah carved a great career by playing great defense and being super active and fierce, Bender will not reach this level, i'm not even sure he is gonna be a plus defender.
Noah can not shoot, at all. Bender has shown almost perfect form and is not afraid to pull the trigger he can run the court and is athletic but that's it.
HE hasn't shown me anything yet, he can be a great thing or a complete bust, he is just too young to tell and I can't think of a comparison for him since there aren't many players like him in the NBA.
He has to show the right mentality first and he has yet to show it, he sometimes looks timid and that's okay.
And yes, he is way more of Porzingis than Noah.. lol



Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think Bender will be a plus defender - he's only 16. I agree Noah can't shoot at all but I didn't say it was a perfect comparison, just a comparison. Both can run the court really well and show guard like skills.

In terms of mentality, they are very different. I agree he does look timid, stays away from contact and that's why he won't be a dominant scorer. Most scorers are very confident and haven't met a shot they didn't think they could make. Porzingis has that in him. Noah is cocky, brash and a ridiculous motor. Porzingis is Dirk-lite. I can't see Dirk in Bender's game.

Hey here is something on Noah in college - http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Joakim-Noah-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2868/. I think we knew what Porzingis was when he went to the draft and I'm not sure what Bender will be which make him more of a risk. I don't like the young Gasol comparison although I can see why people would think that. I don't think he'll be that good but he has the potential to be a versatile big. He might not be as polished on offense as Pau but he'll be a better defender. He plays great D for a teenager.


He is not 16 though, I think he just turned 18.
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Post#153 » by Stackey » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:04 pm

UcanUwill wrote:I really have no idea how good this guy is. He haven't played in recent junior tournaments, NCAA is usually comparable to FIBA u19 in terms of player stats and the level of competition. Unfortunately, Bender didn't play in last u19, so its hard to say how he would look if he was on high profile NCAA team right now. People can only guess.


Well, in 2014 he played against Sabonis and it ended like this
http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.gameID_10069-B-4-2.html
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Post#154 » by UcanUwill » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:22 pm

Stackey wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:I really have no idea how good this guy is. He haven't played in recent junior tournaments, NCAA is usually comparable to FIBA u19 in terms of player stats and the level of competition. Unfortunately, Bender didn't play in last u19, so its hard to say how he would look if he was on high profile NCAA team right now. People can only guess.


Well, in 2014 he played against Sabonis and it ended like this
http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.gameID_10069-B-4-2.html


I saw that game, it was his coming out party, guy was a no name before that game, but everyone been talking about him ever since that performance.
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Post#155 » by pohani komarac » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:46 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Bender reminds me of Noah not Porzingis. Porzingis has Dirk's game with a bit more athleticism and a little less shooting.

- 7 feet tall
- slim build
- good rebounder
- excellent passer
- good pick and roll defender
- so so outside shooter
- decent handle for a big
- solid shot blocker
- weak, can be pushed around
- limited scorer, not a go to man on offense


noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?



I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.


Dragan Bender in junior stages was often used as PG, or ball handller in pick and roll

this is Bender at age of 15 and 16

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUUew4VPB4[/youtube]
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#156 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:12 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
No, they are just not similar at all.
How can you compare the two if they don't even resemble the same game? Noah carved a great career by playing great defense and being super active and fierce, Bender will not reach this level, i'm not even sure he is gonna be a plus defender.
Noah can not shoot, at all. Bender has shown almost perfect form and is not afraid to pull the trigger he can run the court and is athletic but that's it.
HE hasn't shown me anything yet, he can be a great thing or a complete bust, he is just too young to tell and I can't think of a comparison for him since there aren't many players like him in the NBA.
He has to show the right mentality first and he has yet to show it, he sometimes looks timid and that's okay.
And yes, he is way more of Porzingis than Noah.. lol



Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think Bender will be a plus defender - he's only 16. I agree Noah can't shoot at all but I didn't say it was a perfect comparison, just a comparison. Both can run the court really well and show guard like skills.

In terms of mentality, they are very different. I agree he does look timid, stays away from contact and that's why he won't be a dominant scorer. Most scorers are very confident and haven't met a shot they didn't think they could make. Porzingis has that in him. Noah is cocky, brash and a ridiculous motor. Porzingis is Dirk-lite. I can't see Dirk in Bender's game.

Hey here is something on Noah in college - http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Joakim-Noah-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2868/. I think we knew what Porzingis was when he went to the draft and I'm not sure what Bender will be which make him more of a risk. I don't like the young Gasol comparison although I can see why people would think that. I don't think he'll be that good but he has the potential to be a versatile big. He might not be as polished on offense as Pau but he'll be a better defender. He plays great D for a teenager.


He is not 16 though, I think he just turned 18.



Yes he will be 18 draft time. I saw most of his game when he was 16, not lately to be honest. Hopefully he got better.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#157 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:17 pm

pohani komarac wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:
noah?!?!?!?!?!? god damnit, you couldn't be any more wrong lol. Did you even watch him play?



I watched him since he was 16 and I'm comparing Noah when he was in Florida. Who do you see - don't tell me Porzingis or Vesely. Just because he's Euro he can be compared to a non-Euro player. Also let me know what I said that's not correct.

His height and build are correct and similar. He IS a good rebounder. He IS an excellent passer, if you want you can run an offense through him from the high post. He IS a good pick and roll defender with solid lateral movement to go out on guards. He's not a shooter, look at his percentages. I know he's working on his 3 but he's nor Porzingis level good. He IS a good ball handler and he blocks the occasional shot. He can score but he's not a focal point on offense, he tends to defer instead of dominate. He's young though so it's understandable.

You DO realize that Noah is a former all-star before his injuries and was at one point one of the NBA leaders in assists for a C/PF. Noah was a damn good player out of Florida too. You act as if it's an insult to compare him to Noah.


Dragan Bender in junior stages was often used as PG, or ball handller in pick and roll

this is Bender at age of 15 and 16

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUUew4VPB4[/youtube]


Thank you - he's a special talent. Solid skill set and he handles the rock like a guard. Wonderful passer.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#158 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:22 pm

JustMagic wrote:I don't know about Israeli league being "one of worst". It's not one of the top 6 (Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Russia, France). So being 7th or 8th out of maybe 20 is one of the worst? :(

But the point about the D-league is correct. D-league stars came to the Israeli league and sucked.


Leagues in Europe better than the Israeli League include:

Euroleague
Eurocup
VTB United League
Turkish League
Spanish League
Greek League
German League
Italian League
French League
Adriatic League

Leagues in Europe that are debatable as being better or at the same level include:

Belgian League
Lithuanian League
FIBA Europe Cup

Then there are some leagues that are certainly not as good, but are not really all that much worse either, like:

Bulgarian League
Romanian League
Latvian League

Israeli League is definitely better than the D-League, but it's still pretty bad as far as European leagues go.

pohani komarac wrote:Bender plays as PF only because he is 7'1. If he was just bit shorter he would play as SF. His playing style and contribution to game is similar to Kirilenko, but for pro game he needs some adjasmetns in future


I'm not talking about position. And Kirilenko was more effective as a PF anyway. Regardless of any position comparison, I don't see much in common between Kirilenko and Bender.

Maybe something like a right handed Raef Lafrentz, before he had injury problems, or something like that, makes much more sense to me. I don't see much resemblance to Kirilenko at all.

Kevin Willis wrote:
KingKyrie1 wrote:Yes he will be 18 draft time. I saw most of his game when he was 16, not lately to be honest. Hopefully he got better.


He's already 18.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004549&seasoncode=E2015
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#159 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:49 am

He didn't get consistent playing time in the euroleague.
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Re: Dragan Bender - 97 born Croatian prospect 

Post#160 » by pohani komarac » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:08 am

His off ball movement and feel for space, his movements and abilitys on defese , passing abillitys and all round talent as he contirbutes in points, steales, blocks, rebounds, assists is what is simillar to Kirilenko's game

still will be 18 on draft day, and when season starts

last summer he could not play U-18 due to all shoes drama, but last time he faced his age group as 2nd youngest player of tournament he averaged 14,4 pts, 10,4 rb, 4,9asists, 2,2 blocks, 1,1stl... that was one of the best performance by some 1st year junior ever in history of U-18

http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2014.roundID_10067.teamID_2168.playerID_100891.html

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