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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#141 » by jonjames » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:53 pm

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Please do tell how they have pro potential. 3 star and unranked freshmen usually never make the NBA. If they aren't good enough to play their freshmen year, they are NEVER making it. You are just pulling names out of a hat in order to support that the argument that NC State's roster is stacked with NBA players.


Kapita and Markelle Johnson were definitely ranked and are known as explosive, long-term prospect by people who actually follow prep and don't just google a name and look at a star rating. Kirk is the same thing too and had a UK late spring offer to boot.



Kapita certainly looks the part of nba prospect..huge athletic frame but very very raw skill wise and heavy footed. Markelle Johnson good profile/tools for pg but simply doesn't have the requisite point guard skills to be a serious prospect..similar to elijah johnson from ku.
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Post#142 » by reanimator » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:02 pm

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Kapita and Markelle Johnson were definitely ranked and are known as explosive, long-term prospect by people who actually follow prep and don't just google a name and look at a star rating. Kirk is the same thing too and had a UK late spring offer to boot.



Kapita certainly looks the part of nba prospect..huge athletic frame but very very raw skill wise and heavy footed. Markelle Johnson good profile/tools for pg but simply doesn't have the requisite point guard skills to be a serious prospect..similar to elijah johnson from ku.


Significantly more explosive than Elijah Johnson IMO. Only guard I saw in the EYBL who bested him in that regard was Cassius Stanley. Definitely needs to extend his shot out to 3 and work on his decision making but I definitely think pro scouts at every level will be tracking him over the next few.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#143 » by bigboi » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:09 pm

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I'm not talking about some random league in Turkey when I say Europe. Guys like Rowan and Abu will play in good leagues and no its not a given for any American. If NC St sucks then 98 percent of the NCAA sucks...making the supposed lack of talent DSJR plays with irrelevant.


All you're doing is making baseless assumptions based on what you think their potential is. Currently, these dudes suck plain and simple and aren't pro prospects.


Thats 98 percent of the NCAA then...throw in DSJR and Omer as players those other teams don't have and it seems your narrative that its the talent level and teammates keeping DSJR from winning seem off, especially when the top 25 is littered with squads who best player is Europe bound.


You're grasping at straws. You lost, no one that watches NC State agrees with you. You're basing your opinion off of some random on twitter rather than actually watching the games to form your opinions and that's a no no
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Post#144 » by reanimator » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:15 pm

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All you're doing is making baseless assumptions based on what you think their potential is. Currently, these dudes suck plain and simple and aren't pro prospects.


Thats 98 percent of the NCAA then...throw in DSJR and Omer as players those other teams don't have and it seems your narrative that its the talent level and teammates keeping DSJR from winning seem off, especially when the top 25 is littered with squads who best player is Europe bound.


You're grasping at straws. You lost, no one that watches NC State agrees with you. You're basing your opinion off of some random on twitter rather than actually watching the games to form your opinions and that's a no no


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Post#145 » by bigboi » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:18 am

Last few games took some Ls, but tonight he bounced back. Only flaw I will say is the missed freethrows, but I think that had a lot to do with him being tired since they were mostly short
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Post#146 » by jonjames » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:24 am

DSJ showed tonight a glimpse of what he's truly capable at the next level.
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Post#147 » by Marcus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:31 am

jonjames wrote:DSJ showed tonight a glimpse of what he's truly capable at the next level.


If Miami can somehow land that kid he'd be a perfect fit. Wouldn't be mad at him in a Mavs or Pels jersey either.
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Post#148 » by GimmeDat » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:38 am

I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.
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Post#149 » by Marcus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:05 am

Also let me reiterate and I think Dennis touched on this in his walk with Bilas. He's still not one hundred percent yet. He'll be that headed into his rookie year. Just let that sit there for a minute.
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Post#150 » by jrob23 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:26 am

Marcus wrote:Also let me reiterate and I think Dennis touched on this in his walk with Bilas. He's still one hundred percent yet. He'll be that headed into his rookie year. Just let that sit there for a minute.


I think he is 100% though. There's no holding back, he's explosive and has no fear. I've seen him being too streaky and while he's damn good at the college level I'm afraid I see too much Rose in his game. He'll be exciting and very successful no doubt. I definitely like him more than Fultz. Ball looks to be Mr. Basketball and would make any team in any system thrive. Fox right now isn't as impressive as the other three but he might be on Ball's level when all is said and done. He's just very blessed athletically, has size and length, is a great defender, very good passer and his form on his shot looks good. I think it might take a couple of years but he and Ball should separate themselves in the NBA because they're wired to make others better and Fultz and DSJ are chuckers.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#151 » by Marcus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:31 am

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Marcus wrote:Also let me reiterate and I think Dennis touched on this in his walk with Bilas. He's still one hundred percent yet. He'll be that headed into his rookie year. Just let that sit there for a minute.


I think he is 100% though. There's no holding back, he's explosive and has no fear. I've seen him being too streaky and while he's damn good at the college level I'm afraid I see too much Rose in his game. He'll be exciting and very successful no doubt. I definitely like him more than Fultz. Ball looks to be Mr. Basketball and would make any team in any system thrive. Fox right now isn't as impressive as the other three but he might be on Ball's level when all is said and done. He's just very blessed athletically, has size and length, is a great defender, very good passer and his form on his shot looks good. I think it might take a couple of years but he and Ball should separate themselves in the NBA because they're wired to make others better and Fultz and DSJ are chuckers.


He looks 100% to folks, I know. But there's still one more level he can go. He's back but he's not all the way back.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#152 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:23 pm

Easily the closest player to Westbrook since Westbrook - and Westbrook wasn't as good at the same stage. The power and explosiveness on his dunks are amazing for a guy 6'2ish. He's a little freakazoid. <trademark>
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Post#153 » by Upperclass » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:52 pm

I don't think hes near 100% yet. The high school DSJ was the most explosive guard I've seen since Baron Davis. I haven't seen that level of polish, lift or quickness yet, but he's only a year removed from that torn ACL.
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Post#154 » by bigboi » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:00 pm

Ruzious wrote:Easily the closest player to Westbrook since Westbrook - and Westbrook wasn't as good at the same stage. The power and explosiveness on his dunks are amazing for a guy 6'2ish. He's a little freakazoid. <trademark>


He doesn't play like Russell at all. He's a freak athletically, but he plays at a wayyyyyyyy slower pace than any of the previous freak PGs who tend to go 100 mph every second
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Post#155 » by bigboi » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:02 pm

GimmeDat wrote:I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.


He's not a good fit with Boston or Philly. That's just facts. Unless Simmons learns how to play off ball. He definitely can't play in Boston if IT is there though
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#156 » by Tanks1 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:16 pm

bigboi wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.


He's not a good fit with Boston or Philly. That's just facts. Unless Simmons learns how to play off ball. He definitely can't play in Boston if IT is there though



Perfect for the Sixers....the way our offense runs, nobody holds the ball...........we have T. J. McConnell, and Sergio..at point guard right now.......and he's playing well.... (because of the monster).....Smith would be a HUGE upgrade........

10, 9, 8, 76ers!!!
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Post#157 » by Marcus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:20 pm

Upperclass wrote:I don't think hes near 100% yet. The high school DSJ was the most explosive guard I've seen since Baron Davis. I haven't seen that level of polish, lift or quickness yet, but he's only a year removed from that torn ACL.


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Post#158 » by Marcus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:28 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.


He's not a good fit with Boston or Philly. That's just facts. Unless Simmons learns how to play off ball. He definitely can't play in Boston if IT is there though



Perfect for the Sixers....the way our offense runs, nobody holds the ball...........we have T. J. McConnell, and Sergio..at point guard right now.......and he's playing well.... (because of the monster).....Smith would be a HUGE upgrade........

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I don't think upgrade necessarily means good fit here though. At the surface it seems like a good fit, you need somebody that can create for themselves and he can do that BUT he's ball dominant and really needs to be that in order to be his most effective. Everything in Philly needs to funnel through Embiid and when it isn't it needs to be in Ben's hands. Doesn't leave a lot of significant touches for DSJ. As much as people like to make the it works for Bron and Kyrie argument they forget 2 important things.

1. Bron doesn't have an Embiid to feed the rock to and the last thing you want is to regulate Joel to a K Love type of scorer with an occasional post touch here and there.

2. DSJ isn't in the same conversation as Kyrie shooting wise so for the times Bron is handling to distribute Kyrie is a more than capable spot up guy whereas DSJ isn't that and more than likely won't really hit that level of shooting. He'll be good but not Kyrie level.

I personally still think Fultz is the ideal with Monk being next in line if you guys can't land something near the top 2 or 3.
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Post#159 » by CptCrunch » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:15 pm

bigboi wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.


He's not a good fit with Boston or Philly. That's just facts. Unless Simmons learns how to play off ball. He definitely can't play in Boston if IT is there though


Reminder that you don't consider first at picks #1-3, unless you have a superstar at that position.

Embiid is the only one good enough for you to consider a potential fit. A PG fits well with Embiid.

Celtics players are not good enough for you to consider fit.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#160 » by peachbucket » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:27 pm

paulbball wrote:
bigboi wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I think he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. The clear #2 behind Fultz, imo. Wouldn't completely disagree if someone felt he was #1 either.


He's not a good fit with Boston or Philly. That's just facts. Unless Simmons learns how to play off ball. He definitely can't play in Boston if IT is there though


Reminder that you don't consider first at picks #1-3, unless you have a superstar at that position.

Embiid is the only one good enough for you to consider a potential fit. A PG fits well with Embiid.

Celtics players are not good enough for you to consider fit.


Unfortunately, IT now is...a legit superstar by any metric.

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