LaMelo Ball

[karkinos]

Agree. Most of that is bball iq and effort. But nobody is evaluating lamelo for either of those. His upside is all offense.

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[clyde21]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

[karkinos]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

I guess my point was that when I posted I really wasn't thinking of the comp of every single skill across the board to compare to lonzo since the purpose of my post was to highlight that he shares similar skills elsewhere and also has the offensive upside.

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[Marcus]

I think you have to draft Melo with a plan in mind. You don't take Melo without being absolutely and without hesitation all in on what it means to have him as your PG. You need pieces, environment, blind faith, trust, and confidence in what you're putting together if you draft Melo. He's the biggest boom/bust in the class and must be catered to in order to maximize what he brings to the table.

[UcanUwill]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

People now forget I see, but Lonzo's defense was very questionable as a prospect, his D in NBA is what surprised people the most, because no one projected to be good there.

[Marcus]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

People now forget I see, but Lonzo's defense was very questionable as a prospect, his D in NBA is what surprised people the most, because no one projected to be good there.

Only real issue with Zo's defense i remember seeing was he would die on picks. He didn't care to fight through any kind of contact. Had the same issues his first few years in the league. once he made the commitment to get skinny, fight through, or shadow after contact the rest fell in place. Always had the feet, hands, and anticipation to defend.

Melo has game IQ on both ends so there's some hope there if he can get committed to the fundamentals. Zo always at least had that even back in the Hills with that scattered press they ran.

[clyde21]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

People now forget I see, but Lonzo's defense was very questionable as a prospect, his D in NBA is what surprised people the most, because no one projected to be good there.

if Lonzo's D in the NBA surprised you you didn't know what you were looking at

[NO-KG-AI]

I think you have to draft Melo with a plan in mind. You don't take Melo without being absolutely and without hesitation all in on what it means to have him as your PG. You need pieces, environment, blind faith, trust, and confidence in what you're putting together if you draft Melo. He's the biggest boom/bust in the class and must be catered to in order to maximize what he brings to the table.

That's lot to commit for a guy whose not a great scorer, not a great athlete, and not a great defender, and really only a great playmaker in theory. He's slick passer, but he's really not an engine for setting up others consistently like even Lonzo was at the same age. How many skinny, non-scoring, non-freak athletes are teams designing their entire future around?

[Marcus]

I think you have to draft Melo with a plan in mind. You don't take Melo without being absolutely and without hesitation all in on what it means to have him as your PG. You need pieces, environment, blind faith, trust, and confidence in what you're putting together if you draft Melo. He's the biggest boom/bust in the class and must be catered to in order to maximize what he brings to the table.

That's lot to commit for a guy whose not a great scorer, not a great athlete, and not a great defender, and really only a great playmaker in theory. He's slick passer, but he's really not an engine for setting up others consistently like even Lonzo was at the same age. How many skinny, non-scoring, non-freak athletes are teams designing their entire future around?

guess we'll find out when the draft comes around who's willing to take that leap.

[NO-KG-AI]

I think you have to draft Melo with a plan in mind. You don't take Melo without being absolutely and without hesitation all in on what it means to have him as your PG. You need pieces, environment, blind faith, trust, and confidence in what you're putting together if you draft Melo. He's the biggest boom/bust in the class and must be catered to in order to maximize what he brings to the table.

That's lot to commit for a guy whose not a great scorer, not a great athlete, and not a great defender, and really only a great playmaker in theory. He's slick passer, but he's really not an engine for setting up others consistently like even Lonzo was at the same age. How many skinny, non-scoring, non-freak athletes are teams designing their entire future around?

guess we'll find out when the draft comes around who's willing to take that leap.

Maybe, but I'm not sure anyone is takin Ball with the intention of basing all of their franchise and decision making around him being the centerpiece.

[Upperclass]

He reminds me of skinny version Boris Diaw .. he'll have some moments.. but I don't think he can be a cornerstone.. just too aloof

[God Squad]

Boris Diaw was a hell of a player. I don't see that in Ball at all. I see more Jason Williams.

[EMG518]

How much better is he than Lonzo? I have only seen highlights but I don't see why someone would use a top 5 pick on him when we have already seen his brother in the league.

[No-Man]

How much better is he than Lonzo? I have only seen highlights but I don't see why someone would use a top 5 pick on him when we have already seen his brother in the league.

Maybe because they are nothing alike?

[mg]

his defensive and off-ball prowess define his baseline, you can't ignore it

Lonzo was a good prospect because even when he wasn't playing well offensively you can still rely on him defensively, you don't have the same safety net with Melo

People now forget I see, but Lonzo's defense was very questionable as a prospect, his D in NBA is what surprised people the most, because no one projected to be good there.

Lonzo was a good defender coming into the league. He had those 2 bad games against DeAaron Fox but other than that was a good defender at UCLA. When you added in the steals and rebounds Zo rated very high. Zo had other questions such as running a halfcourt offense, pick n roll, etc.

[EMG518]

How much better is he than Lonzo? I have only seen highlights but I don't see why someone would use a top 5 pick on him when we have already seen his brother in the league.

Maybe because they are nothing alike?

Sure, I will take the bait. They look awfully similar to me, similar size, athleticism, both are very good passers, both have questionable form, struggle shooting and getting to the rim. What do you see that makes you think they are nothing alike. I see the same question marks coming into the draft. I don't see either as being good at getting to the rim or creating their own shot, shooting is questionable, ft shooting is questionable.

[clyde21]

How much better is he than Lonzo? I have only seen highlights but I don't see why someone would use a top 5 pick on him when we have already seen his brother in the league.

Maybe because they are nothing alike?

Sure, I will take the bait. They look awfully similar to me, similar size, athleticism, both are very good passers, both have questionable form, struggle shooting and getting to the rim. What do you see that makes you think they are nothing alike. I see the same question marks coming into the draft. I don't see either as being good at getting to the rim or creating their own shot, shooting is questionable, ft shooting is questionable.

Melo more shot versatility, better ability to break players off the dribble and better in the half-court, Ball better in transition, stronger, better off-ball player and better defender

Melo is more DLo than Lonzo IMO

[big-shot-ROB]

He reminds me of skinny version Boris Diaw .. he'll have some moments.. but I don't think he can be a cornerstone.. just too aloof

Don't ever disrispect my boy Diaw like that ever again lol.

[karkinos]

idk
like wiggins and lonzo, i'm buying everyone's lamelo stock too. *shrug*

[EMG518]

idk
like wiggins and lonzo, i'm buying everyone's lamelo stock too. *shrug*

You can have what ever stock I haven't sold yet for all three, I am going to reinvest it.