Say hello to your #1 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft....

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And how is Beasley a complimentary player given his incredible potential?

A guy who is a potential top 5 post player in the league is not a 2nd fiddle on any team.

Where would you rank Boozer?

EDIT: Or Amare for that Matter.

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Why cant he be the best player on a championship caliber team..something like what Dirk is in Dallas?

I just don't think that'll happen. It's my opinion.

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And how is Beasley a complimentary player given his incredible potential?

A guy who is a potential top 5 post player in the league is not a 2nd fiddle on any team.

Al Jefferson averages 21ppg and 11.4rpg, scores almost entirely in the post and most people don't see him as being the centrepiece of a championship winning team.

[VictorPage44]

Let me start by saying that I only read the first two pages of this thread, but I found many of the comments pretty absurd. How can anyone at this point claim that Beasley or Rose wont be great players in the league?

In college, we saw beasley play a completely different game than we'll likely see him play in the NBA. In college, he sat in the post and had the defense collapsing on him most of the time. Many teams, at least in the few games I watched, double and triple teamed beasley in post. That likely wont happen in the NBA, so beasley will have the opportunity to show off his handle, quickness, and playmaking ability which is what will really separate him from the rest of the bigs in the league (because he'll actually have the opportunity to put the ball on the floor without his back to the basket). The fact that beasley was able to dominate inside, including being the best rebounder in the country, when that figures to be only part of his game in the NBA indicates what type of feel he has for the game. On the college level, beasley showed that he can manuver in traffic (probably better than any big on the NCAA level--the guy consistantly spun and pump faked to get practically whatever shot he wanted inside), shoot from outside, rebound, finish, and pass out of pressure. while he may be AN INCH short of the so called ideal PF, he has the skillset of a wing player, and he is a superathlete.

Derrick Rose, like beasley, has played a slightly different role in college than he will in the NBA. Early in the season when i watched him, he deffered to his teammates (not a bad idea considering memphis is the deepest and most talented team in the country) while picking his spots. Still though, he showed his quickness and his ability to get to the rim and finish. Rose was going top two before march madness. In the tournament, rose has taken his game to the level that was expected all year. He's dominating games offensively. he's the quickest player in college basketball, very similar to mike conley last year.

Right now these are the best two prospects with the biggest upsides in college basketball. There both doing things right now that the other prospects at their positions can only hope to develop (isnt it funny that beasley has a better post game than brook lopez when lopez has been heralded as the next duncan by a misguided few, and beasley is thought of as some 3/4 tweener?). These are the best two players for a reason, and those who dont understand that, or claim that their games wont translate or develop on the NBA level, either have psychic powers or for some reason just feel the need to hate on someone. FWIW, I think its more likely that these guys will both go to 5+ all star games than it is that they dont make a single one.

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Al Jefferson averages 21ppg and 11.4rpg, scores almost entirely in the post and most people don't see him as being the centrepiece of a championship winning team.

He's not a dominant big. Neither is Zach Randolph. It's not skill level or numbers - It's his effect on the game. Does he cause the other team to get out of their comfort zone?

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Where would you rank Boozer?

EDIT: Or Amare for that Matter.

I think Amare is the best PF in the league right now. Boozer is probably top 5

I think it's scary how much potential Beasley has because he's actually a better slasher with more range than a guy like Amare.

He also shows signs of being a better rebounder.

Beasley's ceiling is absurd.

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He's not a dominant big. Neither is Zach Randolph. It's not skill level or numbers - It's his effect on the game. Does he cause the other team to get out of their comfort zone?

Which was my point being a top 5 post player as Al arguably is ,doesn't really mean you are a dominant big.

I see Beasley being on Al's level as a contributor, although doing it in a slightly different way,he will be a good 1st option or a great 2nd option but he won't be the man on a championship team.

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Which was my point being a top 5 post player as Al arguably is ,doesn't really mean you are a dominant big.

I see Beasley being on Al's level as a contributor, although doing it in a slightly different way,he will be a good 1st option or a great 2nd option but he won't be the man on a championship team.

Al Jefferson is NOT a top 5 post player.

And the argument was Beasley has top 3 potential in the post which Jefferson is even more clearly not in the category of.


BTW, a top 5 player at ANY position doesn't equal championship contributor on a team with a piss poor supporting cast. You can't even do that at the NCAA level anymore.

[BigSlam]

The more I think about it, the more Rose reminds me of Devin Harris on two levels.

I think that Rose is a ways off from being a starting PG ini the NBA. I think he'll take the Devin Harris road. He'll come to the NBA with a bit of hype, gets given the starting PG job in his rookie season, disappoints by the quarter way point of the season, has the starting gig taken off him, plays a support role as a combo guard off the bench at the 1 and 2 for the next 2 or so years and then finds his own. If people think he's going to have a huge impact from day 1 in the NBA, I think they are mistaken.

He'll need some time to "get it" - just like Harris did.

Not only that, but their game styles, builds and skills are very alike.

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I think Amare is the best PF in the league right now.

And this is where you lose me. There is absolutely no way that Amare is the top PF this year or any year. At best, he's third behind Garnett and Duncan, and I'm not even sure I would put him there because there is a legit argument for Bosh at the third best. Amare is definitely a world class scorer at the PF position, but every other aspect of his game is much worse than what Garnett and Duncan provide.

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I think Amare is the best PF in the league right now. Boozer is probably top 5

I think it's scary how much potential Beasley has because he's actually a better slasher with more range than a guy like Amare.

He also shows signs of being a better rebounder.

Beasley's ceiling is absurd.

Really? So you have both as top 5 post players yet both are the second best players on their teams. You seem to have disproved your own theory.

[miamiballer]

The more I think about it, the more Rose reminds me of Devin Harris on two levels.

I think that Rose is a ways off from being a starting PG ini the NBA. I think he'll take the Devin Harris road. He'll come to the NBA with a bit of hype, gets given the starting PG job in his rookie season, disappoints by the quarter way point of the season, has the starting gig taken off him, plays a support role as a combo guard off the bench at the 1 and 2 for the next 2 or so years and then finds his own. If people think he's going to have a huge impact from day 1 in the NBA, I think they are mistaken.

He'll need some time to "get it" - just like Harris did.

Not only that, but their game styles, builds and skills are very alike.

I agree with this..I think he wont reach his prime for a while...however, I think once he "gets it," he can be more like a rich man's devin harris...same style just better and more explosive

[bill curley II]

The more I think about it, the more Rose reminds me of Devin Harris on two levels.

I think that Rose is a ways off from being a starting PG ini the NBA. I think he'll take the Devin Harris road. He'll come to the NBA with a bit of hype, gets given the starting PG job in his rookie season, disappoints by the quarter way point of the season, has the starting gig taken off him, plays a support role as a combo guard off the bench at the 1 and 2 for the next 2 or so years and then finds his own. If people think he's going to have a huge impact from day 1 in the NBA, I think they are mistaken.

He'll need some time to "get it" - just like Harris did.

Not only that, but their game styles, builds and skills are very alike.

I completely agree. Everyone here is talking about Beasley and why he shouldnt be a num 1 pick b/c hes not a franchise player. I agree that Beasley isn't a TD or KG type pf, but he may very well be the only guy from this draft that plays at a consistent All-Star level in the league.
Rose may very well struggle like Harris in his first couple years. He's not as good an outside shooter as Harris was in college, he's a more physically gifted than Harris, but I don't think he uses his quickness and athleticism to his max potential around the basket.

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I completely agree. Everyone here is talking about Beasley and why he shouldnt be a num 1 pick b/c hes not a franchise player. I agree that Beasley isn't a TD or KG type pf, but he may very well be the only guy from this draft that plays at a consistent All-Star level in the league.
Rose may very well struggle like Harris in his first couple years. He's not as good an outside shooter as Harris was in college, he's a more physically gifted than Harris, but I don't think he uses his quickness and athleticism to his max potential around the basket.

Both may struggle, but that is not the point. The point is that Rose's ceiling is that of a top 2 or 3 NBA point guard. Whereas, Beasley's ceiling is that of a top 5 or 6 PF. Really you can't go wrong with either pick, but Rose has the bigger upside at the more important position.

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Both may struggle, but that is not the point. The point is that Rose's ceiling is that of a top 2 or 3 NBA point guard. Whereas, Beasley's ceiling is that of a top 5 or 6 PF. Really you can't go wrong with either pick, but Rose has the bigger upside at the more important position.

It's not that simple. You have to factor in the likelihood that they'll reach their ceilings - which few human beings do. And it makes sense to base that - to a large extent - on how they've performed up to now. While Rose has picked up the pace the last couple of games, Beasley has performed considerably better throughout the season.

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It's not that simple. You have to factor in the likelihood that they'll reach their ceilings - which few human beings do. And it makes sense to base that - to a large extent - on how they've performed up to now. While Rose has picked up the pace the last couple of games, Beasley has performed considerably better throughout the season.

Because Beasley was the go to guy on an average team. He would not have put up numbers anywhere close had he played on Memphis. Not to mention Memphis' offense is not designed for a pass first PG. The real judge is impact, and Rose has had just as much impact as Beasley has. And we know Rose ups his game on the big stage, which is a bonus.

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Both may struggle, but that is not the point. The point is that Rose's ceiling is that of a top 2 or 3 NBA point guard. Whereas, Beasley's ceiling is that of a top 5 or 6 PF. Really you can't go wrong with either pick, but Rose has the bigger upside at the more important position.

Fair enough. I just don't think Rose will ever be in the same eschelon as CP and Deron, but I don't think Beasley will get to TD or KG status either. Overall, this draft isn't one where you going to find a number one guy to lead a team to a championship, and even at the top, I think it's more about filling needs for teams b/c theres some solid, but unspectacular players.

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Both may struggle, but that is not the point. The point is that Rose's ceiling is that of a top 2 or 3 NBA point guard. Whereas, Beasley's ceiling is that of a top 5 or 6 PF. Really you can't go wrong with either pick, but Rose has the bigger upside at the more important position.

Again you are selling Beasley short on potential. He has more than top 5/6 potential at the PF position.

His combo of athleticism, post skills, and range on his jumper gives him top 2 potential at the PF spot.


And who's to say that PG is that much more important. How many rings do the top PGs have in this league?

Having a supporting cast PERIOD is more important.


Furthermore, Beasley is more likely to reach his potential. You can say a lot of PGs have top 5 potential, but how likely are they to meet it?

For instance, Mike Conley Jr with his world class athleticism has top 5 potential, but the likelihood of reaching it, is a different story

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Fair enough. I just don't think Rose will ever be in the same eschelon as CP and Deron, but I don't think Beasley will get to TD or KG status either. Overall, this draft isn't one where you going to find a number one guy to lead a team to a championship, and even at the top, I think it's more about filling needs for teams b/c theres some solid, but unspectacular players.

That's such a silly thing to say.

How can one guy lead a team to a championship?

It's a TEAM GAME folks. The greatest to ever play the game couldn't do that. So why do people keep saying absurd stuff like Beasley can't lead a team to a championship. NO ONE CAN!


And to say that someone like Beasley just fills a need and is an unspectacular player is absurd.

The guy had the most dominant Freshman seasons of all-time. And his ceiling at the next level is ridiculous with the tools he has.

He's not a dime a dozen prospect. You don't see 19 year old kids who are that mature at scoring in the post, alongside an NBA ready body, alongside the ability to slash, dribble, and shoot like a wing player even though he can play fulltime in the post.

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Both may struggle, but that is not the point. The point is that Rose's ceiling is that of a top 2 or 3 NBA point guard. Whereas, Beasley's ceiling is that of a top 5 or 6 PF. Really you can't go wrong with either pick, but Rose has the bigger upside at the more important position.

This would be a great point if your estimation of their ultimate potential was anything other than idle speculation. Though I do agree you can't go wrong with either pick, it's hard to overvalue an 18 year old freshman who led the nation in rebounding and was #3 in scoring. I've read all your arguments, they just didn't convince me.