Potential sleepers

No-Man · Post #1421 » by **No-Man** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:33 pm

I am not a fan of KBD athletically, he is long and that helps, but honestly he needs to shoot it real well or be able to defend up a position to be anything on offense

doordoor123 · Post #1422 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 3:43 pm

Fischella wrote:I am not a fan of KBD athletically, he is long and that helps, but honestly he needs to shoot it real well or be able to defend up a position to be anything on offense

That’s the thing too, who does he defend? Doesn’t get down into defensive position well enough to slide with guards and isn’t big enough to handle forwards. Still, you can’t shoot over him, he can recover really well and he has a pretty good feel for defense. The spacing in the NBA and the difference in bodies could hurt him in the NBA. In terms of vertical/length, changing direction and timing he’s great though. Pretty underrated actually.

I’ve seen him get hot and make big shots and personally I think his shot is actually going to be better in the NBA with more space. He’s going to be a threat in the pick and pop and in the pick and roll, where he’s actually really effective because he has great body control around the rim and with contact. He also explodes to the rim pretty well. IMO he’s not a small forward in the NBA at all, he’s a small power forward. And I don’t think he’ll have a problem defending NBA power forwards personally. I actually think it’s going to be hard for a lot of power forwards in the NBA to guard him.

EvanZ · Post #1423 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 5:20 pm

That's why I said he needs to be more of a 4 eventually (like Aminu). Reportedly has a 7'4" wingspan, and look at his high block rate even playing mostly on the perimeter.

PoundTown · Post #1424 » by **PoundTown** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 7:49 pm

MachoMan wrote:There are going to be a lot of players drafted before Jevon Carter that will not be as successful as Carter in the NBA.

Agreed, love this guy. At very least is going to be a great bench player. Toughness and Defense are great, as is all around floor game, shoots the 3 with good consistency and elevation too. Think he can guard a lot of 2's in the league because of his strength, lateral quicks, intensity and low center of gravity -reminds me of a smaller PJ Tucker on that end.

Stillwater · Post #1425 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 1:09 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

doordoor123 · Post #1426 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 2:39 pm

Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

There is literally no way Bates-Diop goes after the first round. Players with his kind of success always end up working out and he has some of the best intangibles/skills in the draft. I guarantee you he will go in the first round. and you can quote me on that in the future. That’s how confident I am.

tester551 · Post #1427 » by **tester551** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 4:09 pm

Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

Stillwater · Post #1428 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 5:31 pm

tester551 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

That's what most people see

doordoor123 · Post #1429 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:06 pm

tester551 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

He’s underwhelming, but not bad. He’s really long and pretty mobile. He’s not guarding wings, who would likely kill him on switches from the 3 point line, he guards forwards. And if a guard tries to attack from he high post or in the lane he’s going to be able to recover and block their shots. I just don’t think he can recover from a P&R at the top of the three point line. But I can also see him playing center in the NBA a la Draymond Green.

Mirotic12 · Post #1430 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:19 pm

Two Greek players have declared for the 2018 NBA draft.

Georgios Kalaitzakis - 19

PG/SG/SF
6-7 180 (7-1 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

Vassilis Charalampopoulos - 21

SF/PF
6-9 236 (6-11 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

Patrick1978 · Post #1431 » by **Patrick1978** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:05 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
tester551 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

He’s underwhelming, but not bad. He’s really long and pretty mobile. He’s not guarding wings, who would likely kill him on switches from the 3 point line, he guards forwards. And if a guard tries to attack from he high post or in the lane he’s going to be able to recover and block their shots. I just don’t think he can recover from a P&R at the top of the three point line. But I can also see him playing center in the NBA a la Draymond Green.

Absolutely,center would be a good spot for him
I like his game

Post #1432 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:09 am

Mirotic12 wrote:Two Greek players have declared for the 2018 NBA draft.

Georgios Kalaitzakis - 19

PG/SG/SF
6-7 180 (7-1 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

Vassilis Charalampopoulos - 21

SF/PF
6-9 236 (6-11 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

I think from the little I've seen of both I tend to like Kalaitzakis as an NBA talent more. From what I've gathered Charalampopoulos hasn't progressed great the last few years. I'm not sure I see much draft stock in either, though.

doordoor123 · Post #1433 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:35 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Two Greek players have declared for the 2018 NBA draft.

Georgios Kalaitzakis - 19

PG/SG/SF
6-7 180 (7-1 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

Vassilis Charalampopoulos - 21

SF/PF
6-9 236 (6-11 wingspan)

Watch on YouTube

I think from the little I've seen of both I tend to like Kalaitzakis as an NBA talent more. From what I've gathered Charalampopoulos hasn't progressed great the last few years. I'm not sure I see much draft stock in either, though.

Neither of them will get drafted IMO.

No-Man · Post #1434 » by **No-Man** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:29 am

Matas Jogela is really interesting, he probably comes back and declares for real next season, but a guy to track

Post #1435 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:49 am

tester551 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

Wait a sec, he led his team in scoring, rebounding, and blocks - all by far - and didn't impact the game hardly at all? I can understand thinking his game won't translate, but I'm not getting any lack of impact at Ohio State. I think what he needs to do is work on NBA 3 point range shooting.

EvanZ · Post #1436 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:58 pm

tester551 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Any thoughts on Keita Bates-Diop?

The layed back Dray falls to early 2nd and becomes the 3rd or 4th option high level defender in a small ball 5 roll ,or maybe he'll stop getting slept on completely and ATL won't let him past 30th but will be a bad place for him.

Draymond's intensity is what makes him valuable.

As far as Bates-Diop, I see a 6-7 man as his best case scenario. In the games I've seen of his, he's too reserved. He didn't impact the game hardly at all. He has a nice mid-range shot, but an underwhelming defender.

He literally had the highest +/- of any player in college ball this season. :lol:

cashmachine · Post #1437 » by **cashmachine** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:56 pm

I would love to see KBD in a Jazz uniform. To me he fits what the Jazz need coming off the bench. Can do a bit of everything and I think he can become a pretty good defender(Snyder will demand defensive improvement anyway) at the 3. I agree with a previous post that he needs to improve his 3pt shooting which he's fully capable of doing.

cashmachine · Post #1438 » by **cashmachine** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:59 pm

I also like Moritz Wagner as a stretch 4. He can play with any of our big men.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1439 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:04 pm

Alize Johnson. Combo forward (really small ball 4), who can score in a variety of ways, rebound, can create a bit, and is athletic.

doordoor123 · Post #1440 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:15 pm

FrontOfficeEye wrote:Alize Johnson. Combo forward (really small ball 4), who can score in a variety of ways, rebound, can create a bit, and is athletic.

Yep, hes been my sleeper all year. He’s deserving of a first round pick. He was a 6’4 point guard when he started college and grew to 6’9.