2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

Black is straight up 90% as good as Cade. You can't change my mind.

(Yes I get that Black won't score 20 ppg in the league right now, but given that Cade has slightly dissapointed, I would rate Black as a better passer and an elite defender and thus would have equal impact by his 2nd year)

Plus as a Rockets fan, I'm 100% on board with drafting Black at #3 (Wemby/Scoot goes #1/#2) to replace the chucker KPJ.

that's exactly what they need to do - there is no way they can move forward with KPJ/Green in the back court. that's just a cesspool of bad shot taking and almost nonexistent playmaking.

[Braggins]

I'm hoping Black goes to the Hornets or Rockets. I would take him at 3 for either team. Rockets are definitely his best fit.

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[mattao313]

Black is straight up 90% as good as Cade. You can't change my mind.

(Yes I get that Black won't score 20 ppg in the league right now, but given that Cade has slightly dissapointed, I would rate Black as a better passer and an elite defender and thus would have equal impact by his 2nd year)

Plus as a Rockets fan, I'm 100% on board with drafting Black at #3 (Wemby/Scoot goes #1/#2) to replace the chucker KPJ.

I don't see the comparison at all unless you're just looking at them as big guards. He's closer to a Dyson Daniels then Cade. Cades offensive repertoire is much more advanced Black looks like a utility guy.

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[clyde21]

i don't understand how don't see the Cade comp and instead prefer a non-shooting comp like Daniels somehow

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[mattao313]

i don't understand how don't see the Cade comp and instead prefer a non-shooting comp like Daniels somehow

Am I missing something? Black has not shown a scoring repertoire close to Cade nor can he shoot. He's a all-round guy that handle and defend you're not giving him the ball and telling him to work like with Cade. Besides being big guards they're not alike.

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[clyde21]

i don't understand how don't see the Cade comp and instead prefer a non-shooting comp like Daniels somehow

Am I missing something? Black has not shown a scoring repertoire close to Cade nor can he shoot. He's a all-round guy that handle and defend you're not giving him the ball and telling him to work like with Cade. Besides being big guards they're not alike.

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he's got a very similar offensive repertoire what are we talking? he doesn't have the raw volume and conversion rate @ the 3 but other than that you're talking about two 6-7 on/off combo guards who can be either your primary or secondary ball handler, can switch multiple positions defensively, dribble-drive and will essentially play the exact archetype in the NBA.

not sure how comping Black to non-shooters makes more sense.

[mattao313]

i don't understand how don't see the Cade comp and instead prefer a non-shooting comp like Daniels somehow

Am I missing something? Black has not shown a scoring repertoire close to Cade nor can he shoot. He's a all-round guy that handle and defend you're not giving him the ball and telling him to work like with Cade. Besides being big guards they're not alike.

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he's got a very similar offensive repertoire what are we talking? he doesn't have the raw volume and conversion rate @ the 3 but other than that you're talking about two 6-7 on/off combo guards who can be either your primary or secondary ball handler, can switch multiple positions defensively, dribble-drive and will essentially play the exact archetype in the NBA.

not sure how comping Black to non-shooters makes more sense.

No they don't cade is a 3 level scorer that could post up score in the mid range and kill you from deep while also being able to breakdown a defense. Black's straight line drives and cuts to basket are not the same idk how your comparing a 30% 3pt shooter to Cade who was absolutely elite in college and was a huge part of his game. Even in the NBA Cade carries a huge load on offense I don't see Black being able to do the same.

He's closer to Dyson Daniels who was showing some shooting abilities in the g league but wasn't there yet. One of those guys that you hope develops as a shooter that can have a all around game but isn't a driving force of an offense like a people hope Cade will be. Like Lonzo ball the NBA player and Dyson Daniels the prospect.

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[clyde21]

Am I missing something? Black has not shown a scoring repertoire close to Cade nor can he shoot. He's a all-round guy that handle and defend you're not giving him the ball and telling him to work like with Cade. Besides being big guards they're not alike.

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he's got a very similar offensive repertoire what are we talking? he doesn't have the raw volume and conversion rate @ the 3 but other than that you're talking about two 6-7 on/off combo guards who can be either your primary or secondary ball handler, can switch multiple positions defensively, dribble-drive and will essentially play the exact archetype in the NBA.

not sure how comping Black to non-shooters makes more sense.

No they don't cade is a 3 level scorer that could post up score in the mid range and kill you from deep while also being able to breakdown a defense. Black's straight line drives and cuts to basket are not the same idk how your comparing a 30% 3pt shooter to Cade who was absolutely elite in college and was a huge part of his game. Even in the NBA Cade carries a huge load on offense I don't see Black being able to do the same.

He's closer to Dyson Daniels who was showing some shooting abilities in the g league but wasn't there yet. One of those guys that you hope develops as a shooter that can have a all around game but isn't a driving force of an offense like a people hope Cade will be. Like Lonzo ball the NBA player and Dyson Daniels the prospect.

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Cade's not a mid range guru, and neither is Black, but from Black coming is actually more efficient from mid/paint than Cade was, so the idea that Cade was this masterful 3-level scorer coming out and Black isn't is just blatantly false.

and Daniels is still a non-shooter who doesn't exhibit any of Black's/Cade's off-ball prowess either, which is why, again, Black is closer to Cade than he is to Daniels.

now u can make the Daniels comp all u want, but just don't pretend that you don't see the Cade comp but somehow see the Daniels one.

[babyjax13]

i don't understand how don't see the Cade comp and instead prefer a non-shooting comp like Daniels somehow

Well, Black isn't a good shooter. I get both comps, they make some sense. Stylistically Black is somewhere in the middle.

[NO-KG-AI]

Daniels is shooting better from 3 in the NBA than black is in college.. They've actually hit the same amount of 3's, Daniels just did it on less shots.

I think the biggest difference is that Anthony Black seems more creative as a scorer, creator, and ball handler than Daniels. Dyson is a make the right pass, and attack at the right time kinda guy, but I'm not sure he's going to grow into a forceful creator at the NBA level.

[The-Power]

Black's lack of shooting (both ability and willingness) is the biggest concern about him. He's now down to 71% on FTs and 30% on 3s on low volume for a ball handler, and he passes up a ton of midrange shots (he drives, stops and creates some space, but instead of shooting the ball he gets stuck in the middle with a picked up dribble and no plan – you absolutely can't do this regularly in the NBA if you want to handle the ball).

Everything else Black does is awesome save the silly turnovers that are, however, normal for young ball handlers and should be sorted out. He has good size, gives great effort, is athletic and strong, creative, has court awareness, can handle the ball, plays unselfish (to a fault at times). He has it all but the shooting issues will limit him as an on-ball creator to some extent – it's just a question of how much.

[916fan]

i have (and have had) him 12th currently is that being slept on?

i honestly don't know how people can have Keegan as a top 5 pick last year and have Wilson out of the first this year, I think Wilson is at least as good of not a better prospect.

I like Wilson but Keegan was a lot better IMO. I think Wilson is more in the Saddiq Bey caliber of prospects (like Wilson a bit more).

im just not convinced Keegan is that much better tbh, he had a better year in college obv and is a year younger coming out, was more efficient converting around the rim too but I think Wilson's physical profile projects better to the NBA, and imo just plays with a lot more force on both ends, even tho Wilson should be a better defender than he currently is, but not like Keeg is/was stout defensively really. both have questions in the playmaking dept but I'd take Wilson there too.

i don't think Keegan goes anywhere near #4 in THIS class tho, probably closer to the end of the lotto than the beginning of it, which is where I have Wilson @ this point too.

Keegan isn't that much better than Jalen Wilson?

31.9mins: 23.5pts 8.7rebs 1.5asts 1.9blks 1.3stls 1.1tos on 55.4/39.8/74.7
35.4mins: 20.7pts 8.5rebs 2.5asts 0.6blks 0.8stls 2.3tos on 42.3/35.3/78.4


Does Keegan play with "less force" because he didn't show much emotion at Iowa? I don't think the comparison makes any sense because they're both completely different types of offensive players. It's like comparing Kawhi to Paul George... the only similarity is that they sorta play the same position.

Keegan was the better all-around scoring prospect and it's not even close. Keegan was also the better defender. Continuing the Keegan talk, he hasn't really had a chance to show much of his offensive versatility yet because the Kings are playing him in an off-ball role, but he's having an amazing rookie year and he plays with a special poise that most players don't have. We haven't even seen what he can really do, yet he has all the potential in the world. Saying he's closer to the end of this lotto is kinda insulting.

Just saw your draft board and you had Keegan #15... LOL. Now it makes sense.

[clyde21]

first of all, simmer down, there is no reason to get this emotional just because I said Wilson's better.

second of all, is Keegan supposed to be proving that I ranked him wrong? he's exactly what I thought he'd be at this point for a 22 yr old rookie.

third of all, yes, Wilson plays with way more force and it has nothing to do with 'emotion' on the court. he just plays with more physicality overall and I like the physical profile a bit better for the NBA.

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[EvanZ]

Liam Robbins had a huge game against Florida and Castleton today. He’s actually kind of interesting, at least, for a potential Euro big.


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[TheSuzerain]

My draft hot take is that Edey should go lottery and he seems as/more talented to me than everyone after Wemby/Scoot (Thompson twins a bit of a ? though).

[EvanZ]

My draft hot take is that Edey should go lottery and he seems as/more talented to me than everyone after Wemby/Scoot (Thompson twins a bit of a ? though).

What do you think his NBA usage is?


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[TheSuzerain]

My draft hot take is that Edey should go lottery and he seems as/more talented to me than everyone after Wemby/Scoot (Thompson twins a bit of a ? though).

What do you think his NBA usage is?


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High volume/efficient scoring (25-30% usage and actually efficient mid 60s TS%).

He may be a bad fit with dumb offensive players (e.g. better with a Conley type compared to a Russell/Edwards), but so be it imo.

Keep him in drop coverage defensively of course. Defend the rim and don't put people on the line. That's where efficient NBA offense currently is, and he should defend it well.

Obviously great rebounding on both ends.

Not a big minutes guy but could be very impactful on the court.