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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1441 » by Chuck Everett » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:46 pm

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Chuck Everett wrote:Look guys want to go to the NBA.

Last two years: James Young, Julius Randle, Willie Cauley-Stein, Devin Booker, Trey Lyles, Karl-Anthony Towns.

Six guys taken in the first round of the NBA draft. That's the point of this. Not playing time or anything else. NC State has TJ Warren and that's it, when it comes to putting guys in the league. And Warren had to explode as the best scorer in the ACC to get drafted.


That would mean something if both schools recruited anywhere near the same level..they don't

Cal gets the best of the best every year that's why so many guys get picked high


Seems like a chicken or egg thing. No one thought James Young, Devin Booker or Trey Lyles were one and done talent and yet somehow, someway they were all picked in the first round. Eric Bledsoe was a top 40 player, who turned into a one and done first rounder. If getting to the pros the fastest way possible is the goal, why wouldn't you go to Kentucky if they wanted you?
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Post#1442 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:03 pm

Monk will join the party too, I guess probably both Ulis and Briscoe will leave (?) I cant see any of them been okay with going to the bench.

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I still like Duke chances much more, more bodies at Kentucky, like last year, but much better balance between them and better coaching at Duke, like.... last year.
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Post#1443 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:04 pm

Undefeated wrote:Best team Cal has crafted though.

not better than 2012.
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Post#1444 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:10 pm

Fischella wrote:Monk will join the party too, I guess probably both Ulis and Briscoe will leave (?) I cant see any of them been okay with going to the bench.

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Adebayo-Willis/SKJ
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I still like Duke chances much more, more bodies at Kentucky, like last year, but much better balance between them and better coaching at Duke, like.... last year.


UK and Duke will be the clear top 2 teams next year. If Ulis stays UK will be the favorites
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Post#1445 » by Undefeated » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:10 pm

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Undefeated wrote:Best team Cal has crafted though.

not better than 2012.


We'll see. But apparently they're in the run for Bolden as well.
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Post#1446 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:30 pm

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Undefeated wrote:Best team Cal has crafted though.

not better than 2012.


We'll see. But apparently they're in the run for Bolden as well.

And... where is he going to play? who cares if they get him, like you cant play 10-12 guys regularly.
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Post#1447 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:31 pm

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Fischella wrote:Monk will join the party too, I guess probably both Ulis and Briscoe will leave (?) I cant see any of them been okay with going to the bench.

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Monk-Mulder
Gabriel-Matthews/Willis
Adebayo-Willis/SKJ
Humphries-Wynyard

I still like Duke chances much more, more bodies at Kentucky, like last year, but much better balance between them and better coaching at Duke, like.... last year.


UK and Duke will be the clear top 2 teams next year. If Ulis stays UK will be the favorites

If Ulis stays maybe yup, although they will have to send someone to the deep bench, I dont know the chemistry will work.
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Post#1448 » by Undefeated » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:39 pm

Fischella wrote:And... where is he going to play? who cares if they get him, like you cant play 10-12 guys regularly.


The 2012 class was good but I don't think it rivals this current class. Do you think Marquis back then would be a top 10 player in this class today? Fox and Monk alone would be top 3 in any other class. Bam would be top 5 too.
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Post#1449 » by doordoor123 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:31 pm

Hearing people call RJ Barrett the best high school freshmen they've seen. He's very advanced for his age.

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Post#1450 » by Undefeated » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:41 pm

Pretty sure RJ isn't a freshman. He played HS prep ball here in Canada last year.
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Post#1451 » by doordoor123 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:57 pm

Undefeated wrote:Pretty sure RJ isn't a freshman. He played HS prep ball here in Canada last year.


Good to know. I usually don't check guys out till their senior year, but if there's a lot of hype behind it so figure I should check it out.
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Post#1452 » by Undefeated » Wed Jan 6, 2016 4:24 pm

Josh Jackson played against Thon a week ago here in Canada at AI Prep. Haven't seen the footage yet but heard he did a good job guarding Thon showing off his versatility. Just from hearing people who seen him play live I think Josh will ultimately end up being the best prospect from the 2016 class. I love Giles, but man does the two ACL injuries scares me.
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Post#1453 » by ImChillin01 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 5:24 pm

Undefeated wrote:Josh Jackson played against Thon a week ago here in Canada at AI Prep. Haven't seen the footage yet but heard he did a good job guarding Thon showing off his versatility. Just from hearing people who seen him play live I think Josh will ultimately end up being the best prospect from the 2016 class. I love Giles, but man does the two ACL injuries scares me.

What about Jayson Tatum, both wings so want to know why you think JJ is better than Tatum
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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1454 » by Marcus » Wed Jan 6, 2016 5:54 pm

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Undefeated wrote:Josh Jackson played against Thon a week ago here in Canada at AI Prep. Haven't seen the footage yet but heard he did a good job guarding Thon showing off his versatility. Just from hearing people who seen him play live I think Josh will ultimately end up being the best prospect from the 2016 class. I love Giles, but man does the two ACL injuries scares me.

What about Jayson Tatum, both wings so want to know why you think JJ is better than Tatum


I think skillset and refinement goes to Tatum but athleticism and upside are heavily on the side of Jackson.

The gap between Josh's skillset compared to Tatum's isn't as wide as the athleticism between the two.

Josh needs to tighten his handle and i'm sure somewhere somebody might try to tamper with that release of his but he's quicker, gets to the rack easier, I think both play with a killer instinct Josh may need to direct it better because his body language comes into question at times. Josh is the better defender, finisher, Tatum is better from the elbow and probably has a better overall back to the basket game but Josh is solid there too. I think Tatum is a better distributor and is going to look like a stud at Duke with the talent around him. Ultimately though his lack of explosion might be the deciding factor between whether or not he's in the top pick convo considering how loaded that draft class is expected to be.

If Dennis Smith comes back healthy and shows out at NC State he's in the running.
Harry Giles is another if but I think he'd be in the running.
De'Arron Fox might toss his name in the mix if the UK train can boost him a little

Still think Josh is the guy though when its all said and done. He's got T-Mac potential.
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Post#1455 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 7:18 pm

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Undefeated wrote:Josh Jackson played against Thon a week ago here in Canada at AI Prep. Haven't seen the footage yet but heard he did a good job guarding Thon showing off his versatility. Just from hearing people who seen him play live I think Josh will ultimately end up being the best prospect from the 2016 class. I love Giles, but man does the two ACL injuries scares me.

What about Jayson Tatum, both wings so want to know why you think JJ is better than Tatum


I think skillset and refinement goes to Tatum but athleticism and upside are heavily on the side of Jackson.

The gap between Josh's skillset compared to Tatum's isn't as wide as the athleticism between the two.

Josh needs to tighten his handle and i'm sure somewhere somebody might try to tamper with that release of his but he's quicker, gets to the rack easier, I think both play with a killer instinct Josh may need to direct it better because his body language comes into question at times. Josh is the better defender, finisher, Tatum is better from the elbow and probably has a better overall back to the basket game but Josh is solid there too. I think Tatum is a better distributor and is going to look like a stud at Duke with the talent around him. Ultimately though his lack of explosion might be the deciding factor between whether or not he's in the top pick convo considering how loaded that draft class is expected to be.

If Dennis Smith comes back healthy and shows out at NC State he's in the running.
Harry Giles is another if but I think he'd be in the running.
De'Arron Fox might toss his name in the mix if the UK train can boost him a little

Still think Josh is the guy though when its all said and done. He's got T-Mac potential.


Agreed with basically all of this. I do think the skill set gap is bigger between Tatum and Jackson though. Tatum's skill set is pretty amazing for a kid his age and size. But with that said, I think Tatum is going to be the better college player but I agree his athleticism is a question mark on how good of a pro he will be. Giles if he comes back looking like he did before (huge if) can end up being a lock for 1. Smith jr also if comes back healthy can make the run for 1 cause he is the ideal PG in today's game, freak athlete that can score. I think he would be a lock if he was just a little bigger. But right now until we see Smith and Giles and how they recovered, I think it's a 2 horse race between Tatum and Jackson. I think Tatum will be the front runner to begin the year, but as the year goes on and especially when they start working out for teams, Jackson is going to catch and maybe surpass him because of his potential. I look at Jackson as a better version of Wiggins. Overall this draft as long as Smith and Giles get healthy, has a chance to have 5 maybe 6 guys that have superstar potential
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Post#1456 » by janmagn » Wed Jan 6, 2016 7:52 pm

I know the skill set that Giles has, but those ACLs are soooo risky that I wouldn't take him in top 5 atm.

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Post#1457 » by Undefeated » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:15 pm

Marcus wrote:Josh needs to tighten his handle and i'm sure somewhere somebody might try to tamper with that release of his but he's quicker, gets to the rack easier, I think both play with a killer instinct Josh may need to direct it better because his body language comes into question at times. Josh is the better defender, finisher, Tatum is better from the elbow and probably has a better overall back to the basket game but Josh is solid there too. I think Tatum is a better distributor and is going to look like a stud at Duke with the talent around him. Ultimately though his lack of explosion might be the deciding factor between whether or not he's in the top pick convo considering how loaded that draft class is expected to be.


I whole heartedly agree with that entire post. Josh can be streaky from deep, but I find him to be a better range shooter than Tatum who struggles anywhere outside of 15 feet. From the elbow in, Tatum is pure money.
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Post#1458 » by reanimator » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:17 pm

Tatum has actually gotten more explosive and extended his range.
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Post#1459 » by immortalone23 » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:20 pm

reanimator wrote:Tatum has actually gotten more explosive and extended his range.

Really? Any recent tape on him?
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Post#1460 » by Undefeated » Wed Jan 6, 2016 9:23 pm

I've heard that as well. I think it was the first game this season. He worked with Drew Hanlen to tweak his elbow placement. But after that haven't really heard anything to show he's a consistent range shooter.
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