2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

saying he should be lotto and called him the most talented prospect after Wemby/Scoot and saying he's a top 45 pick are two completely different things

[TheSuzerain]

Efficient offense these days is driven by 60%+ TS% scoring (and the playmaking that allows for it). This is not a low bar.

Which prospects are likely to exceed that scoring bar? Which of those prospects are likely to exceed that bar with high usage?

[EvanZ]

Efficient offense these days is driven by 60%+ TS% scoring (and the playmaking that allows for it). This is not a low bar.

Which prospects are likely to exceed that scoring bar? Which of those prospects are likely to exceed that bar with high usage?

Do you think every college big who shoots 60% TS and 30% USG should be a Lottery pick (on the off chance it's "real")? Or is it something special about Edey that has you convinced? For example, Liam Robbins is shooting 59.8% TS on 30% USG this season. Should he be a Lottery pick or at least a first round pick?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Keyonte with 10 20pt games. The last one full of great contact finishes at the rim. Love guards that aren't afraid to finish through contact.

His shot still looks great off the dribble and off ball. I hope the Raps keep floundering so we can grab him and move Trent

[Duke4life831]

Ya Im not touching Edey with a lotto pick. Dont get me wrong, the dude is a beast on the college level. I record every Purdue game and watch them just because of Edey. The only way I would take him in the lotto is if he showed legit passing chops. But he is a 100% high usage low post big. And in today's NBA there is no such thing as a 100% high usage low post big succeeding (at a high level).

Now I dont think he needs to become some high volume 3pt shooter. Sabonis isnt a high volume 3pt shooter, Sengun isnt either, hell Jokic isnt really high volume either. But those guys are high level passers and they also have a legit mid range jumper as well. Edey needs those things and he hasnt shown that yet.

I wouldnt waste a lotto on him because I would want more of a better archetype with a lotto pick. I was going to come in and say I wouldnt use a 1st on him and give him a guarantee deal right off the bat. But looking at end of 1st round pick contracts, theyre very team friendly. Peyton Watson is pretty much on a 2 year 4 million dollar deal. Id be fine with taking a flyer on Edey with that kind of deal, its pretty low risk.

But ya wouldnt take him lotto because there is just no one like him succeeding in the NBA currently and Im not wasting a lotto pick on a guy that if he succeeds, that means Im bucking the entire trend of the NBA. And if not, it could be very obvious right away that he has no place in the NBA.

[TheSuzerain]

Efficient offense these days is driven by 60%+ TS% scoring (and the playmaking that allows for it). This is not a low bar.

Which prospects are likely to exceed that scoring bar? Which of those prospects are likely to exceed that bar with high usage?

Do you think every college big who shoots 60% TS and 30% USG should be a Lottery pick (on the off chance it's "real")? Or is it something special about Edey that has you convinced? For example, Liam Robbins is shooting 59.8% TS on 30% USG this season. Should he be a Lottery pick or at least a first round pick?

I think 60% TS% and 30% USG should absolutely put someone on the radar. Obviously I have Edey well above "on the radar" and that's because in addition to that high volume/efficiency, he has:

- Historic production ('elite' undersells it. The top 2 PER seasons in the last decade are Jr Edey and Soph Edey.)
- Outlier physical traits by NBA standards
- Youth (he's been doing this since he was 19. He's less than a year older than Brandon Miller/Thompson Twins)
- Elite on/off impact (the two best 5-man college lineups are both Edey/Purdue lineups)

He is so obviously a historic outlier, that I'm a bit perplexed when people ask "well, is there something special about him that makes you think this?".

[165bows]

Efficient offense these days is driven by 60%+ TS% scoring (and the playmaking that allows for it). This is not a low bar.

Which prospects are likely to exceed that scoring bar? Which of those prospects are likely to exceed that bar with high usage?

Do you think every college big who shoots 60% TS and 30% USG should be a Lottery pick (on the off chance it's "real")? Or is it something special about Edey that has you convinced? For example, Liam Robbins is shooting 59.8% TS on 30% USG this season. Should he be a Lottery pick or at least a first round pick?

I think 60% TS% and 30% USG should absolutely put someone on the radar. Obviously I have Edey well above "on the radar" and that's because in addition to that high volume/efficiency, he has:

- Historic production ('elite' undersells it. The top 2 PER seasons in the last decade are Jr Edey and Soph Edey.)
- Outlier physical traits by NBA standards
- Youth (he's been doing this since he was 19. He's less than a year older than Brandon Miller/Thompson Twins)
- Elite on/off impact (the two best 5-man college lineups are both Edey/Purdue lineups)

He is so obviously a historic outlier, that I'm a bit perplexed when people ask "well, is there something special about him that makes you think this?".

They are fair points. Not to mention they moved on from a top five pick a guy that got a camp invite and the team vastly improved, especially on defense.

[CptCrunch]

Edey has too many outlier traints/skills to be ignored. If he can stay on the court and doesn't get run off the court, I could see him even becoming a star in the league. I learned today that he is part Chinese as his mother is at least half Chinese if not full Chinese. Naturally the mind wandered to Yao.

Yes, he will get run off the court as even Gobert has been abused to the point of not being playable.

[916fan]

first of all, simmer down, there is no reason to get this emotional just because I said Wilson's better.

second of all, is Keegan supposed to be proving that I ranked him wrong? he's exactly what I thought he'd be at this point for a 22 yr old rookie.

third of all, yes, Wilson plays with way more force and it has nothing to do with 'emotion' on the court. he just plays with more physicality overall and I like the physical profile a bit better for the NBA.

who's emotional?

you don't even have hot takes, you just have straight up bad takes. You literally had RJ Hampton as your #1 prospect in 2020 over Anthony Edwards and Lamelo and tried to rationalize it anyway you could lmao.

btw, how is 22-year-old RJ Hampton doing these days? he can't even get PT on the worst team in the league... who've had a ton of injuries at guard.

[916fan]

With Edey, the argument comes down to whether or not you'd actually want to run your offense through a low-post big in an era of fast paced and elite 3pt shooting. If Edey were on Drew Timme's level as a passer, I could kinda see the argument, but he's not. He's a 1 and done guy once you get the ball to him in the low post.

[clyde21]

first of all, simmer down, there is no reason to get this emotional just because I said Wilson's better.

second of all, is Keegan supposed to be proving that I ranked him wrong? he's exactly what I thought he'd be at this point for a 22 yr old rookie.

third of all, yes, Wilson plays with way more force and it has nothing to do with 'emotion' on the court. he just plays with more physicality overall and I like the physical profile a bit better for the NBA.

who's emotional?

you don't even have hot takes, you just have straight up bad takes. You literally had RJ Hampton as your #1 prospect in 2020 over Anthony Edwards and Lamelo and tried to rationalize it anyway you could lmao.

btw, how is 22-year-old RJ Hampton doing these days? he can't even get PT on the worst team in the league... who've had a ton of injuries at guard.

damn, all this bc I think Wilson is a better prospect than Keeg.

simmer down big guy.

[EvanZ]

Efficient offense these days is driven by 60%+ TS% scoring (and the playmaking that allows for it). This is not a low bar.

Which prospects are likely to exceed that scoring bar? Which of those prospects are likely to exceed that bar with high usage?

Do you think every college big who shoots 60% TS and 30% USG should be a Lottery pick (on the off chance it's "real")? Or is it something special about Edey that has you convinced? For example, Liam Robbins is shooting 59.8% TS on 30% USG this season. Should he be a Lottery pick or at least a first round pick?

I think 60% TS% and 30% USG should absolutely put someone on the radar. Obviously I have Edey well above "on the radar" and that's because in addition to that high volume/efficiency, he has:

- Historic production ('elite' undersells it. The top 2 PER seasons in the last decade are Jr Edey and Soph Edey.)
- Outlier physical traits by NBA standards
- Youth (he's been doing this since he was 19. He's less than a year older than Brandon Miller/Thompson Twins)
- Elite on/off impact (the two best 5-man college lineups are both Edey/Purdue lineups)

He is so obviously a historic outlier, that I'm a bit perplexed when people ask "well, is there something special about him that makes you think this?".

Is it all about analytics to you? I’m curious if you even try to consider how he’ll translate to NBA competition. What are your thoughts there?


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[EvanZ]

Like he can’t really handle the ball so you have to throw it to him in the post and ideally he needs to be within 3-5 feet of the basket. Can he get those touches at high volume in the NBA?


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[TheSuzerain]

Do you think every college big who shoots 60% TS and 30% USG should be a Lottery pick (on the off chance it's "real")? Or is it something special about Edey that has you convinced? For example, Liam Robbins is shooting 59.8% TS on 30% USG this season. Should he be a Lottery pick or at least a first round pick?

I think 60% TS% and 30% USG should absolutely put someone on the radar. Obviously I have Edey well above "on the radar" and that's because in addition to that high volume/efficiency, he has:

- Historic production ('elite' undersells it. The top 2 PER seasons in the last decade are Jr Edey and Soph Edey.)
- Outlier physical traits by NBA standards
- Youth (he's been doing this since he was 19. He's less than a year older than Brandon Miller/Thompson Twins)
- Elite on/off impact (the two best 5-man college lineups are both Edey/Purdue lineups)

He is so obviously a historic outlier, that I'm a bit perplexed when people ask "well, is there something special about him that makes you think this?".

Is it all about analytics to you? I’m curious if you even try to consider how he’ll translate to NBA competition. What are your thoughts there?


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I'm invoking analytics because they are objective truths. And in this case, they are very loud truths.

But sure I've considered how he'll translate. I think he'll translate quite well. Put him out there with NBA level spacing and a capable P&R partner and let's see how that goes.

He perhaps requires more schematic adjustment to incorporate than we've typically encountered lately, but he remains one of the only guys in the draft who can consistently compromise NBA defenses on a possession-to-possession basis. And for that reason, I think he belongs near the top of the draft.

[EvanZ]

I think 60% TS% and 30% USG should absolutely put someone on the radar. Obviously I have Edey well above "on the radar" and that's because in addition to that high volume/efficiency, he has:

- Historic production ('elite' undersells it. The top 2 PER seasons in the last decade are Jr Edey and Soph Edey.)
- Outlier physical traits by NBA standards
- Youth (he's been doing this since he was 19. He's less than a year older than Brandon Miller/Thompson Twins)
- Elite on/off impact (the two best 5-man college lineups are both Edey/Purdue lineups)

He is so obviously a historic outlier, that I'm a bit perplexed when people ask "well, is there something special about him that makes you think this?".

Is it all about analytics to you? I’m curious if you even try to consider how he’ll translate to NBA competition. What are your thoughts there?


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I'm invoking analytics because they are objective truths. And in this case, they are very loud truths.

But sure I've considered how he'll translate. I think he'll translate quite well. Put him out there with NBA level spacing and a capable P&R partner and let's see how that goes.

He perhaps requires more schematic adjustment to incorporate than we've typically encountered lately, but he remains one of the only guys in the draft who can consistently compromise NBA defenses on a possession-to-possession basis. And for that reason, I think he belongs near the top of the draft.

I think you're not considering a few things:

1) He can't really handle the ball. The only way he gets buckets in the NBA most likely is to stand within 3 feet of the rim. This is VERY tough in the modern NBA. He's not getting 30% usage doing this. Jokic, for example, is an incredible ball handler for his size and can work/worm his way into the low post all the way from the 3pt line. Embiid can do this to some extent, but he doesn't need to because he has incredible footwork ala Hakeem and can score at will.

Edey has none of this. He's more like Boban. You basically have to throw the ball at 8 feet because he can't bring it down and dribble more than once, if that. Hard to see that working consistently in the NBA.

2) Let's say he does figure out how to be a relatively high usage scorer in the post. Well, ****. Now you have a guy who is slow as molasses and will get run out of the gym EVEN ON BUCKETS THAT HE MAKES. Jokic is slow, but man, he's like 10X faster than Edey. I don't think any modern NBA defense wants to be handicapped by their big man running 94 feet each defensive possession.

So these are real issues that you haven't and most likely can't address, because there's not a good answer.

[165bows]

I'm def a pro-Edey though guy though he obviously has questions marks. I think the comp is more Brook Lopez, who is able to be part of an above average defense. How much slower is he than Brook? I think that's the question worth figuring out there.

At any rate, the Jokic comp is a bit of a strawman, no one is saying he's a generational number #1 pick. The 3-5 feet thing is a bit silly, as well really. The guy is a post-scorer. Personally I think he'll be a decent passer in the pros, not Jokic obviously, but average or a bit better for a C. I think the inside-outside game would work really well there.

I think the big question mark isn't even up and down the court but half court on the defensive end.

[Colbinii]

Hey Board! Who do you think was a better 1-2 in terms of level of prospect:
Zion + Ja
Wemby + Scoot

I thought it was an interesting comparison.

[EvanZ]

I
At any rate, the Jokic comp is a bit of a strawman, no one is saying he's a generational number #1 pick. The 3-5 feet thing is a bit silly, as well really. The guy is a post-scorer.

There are no post scorers anymore outside of Jokic and Embiid. How do you envision Edey being this guy without footwork and ball handling ability? Just curious.

[EvanZ]

I'm def a pro-Edey though guy though he obviously has questions marks. I think the comp is more Brook Lopez, who is able to be part of an above average defense. How much slower is he than Brook? I think that's the question worth figuring out there.

Did you notice that Brook Lopez is a stretch 5? He is not in the low post scoring like Edey (supposedly) would be. You know why? Because you don't want Brook Lopez running 94 feet every defensive possession.

[165bows]

I
At any rate, the Jokic comp is a bit of a strawman, no one is saying he's a generational number #1 pick. The 3-5 feet thing is a bit silly, as well really. The guy is a post-scorer.

There are no post scorers anymore outside of Jokic and Embiid. How do you envision Edey being this guy without footwork and ball handling ability? Just curious.

Not sure you don't see your criticisms get just as silly in the other direction honestly. There is post play still, but there is no Charles Barkley pound the ball into the floor while backing a guy down post play. His ballhandling is fine, though I assume you mean dribbling.