Future draft classes

Chuck Everett · Post #1501 » by **Chuck Everett** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 4:53 am

Prince Ali is transferring from UCLA.

No-Man · Post #1502 » by **No-Man** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 1:11 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Prince Ali is transferring from UCLA.

Understandable, that clears the air quite a bit,

Holiday-Ball
Alford-Ball
Hamilton-Bolden
Olesinski-Leaf
Welsh-Goloman

I guess.

No-Man · Post #1503 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:44 pm

How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

TraBuch · Post #1504 » by **TraBuch** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:04 pm

Fischella wrote:How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

Expect to hear about Derryck Thornton transferring. His dad wasn't happy with how K used him in the offense.

Also, rumors out there that Sean Obi might retire from basketball due to his knees.

RationalGaze · Post #1505 » by **RationalGaze** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:07 pm

Fischella wrote:How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

They won't be getting Bolden as he has his sights set on Kentucky. I can see Isaac taking a backseat this season, but with all the front court talent he'll be much better entering his third season after all the practices that will occur.
Bolden speaks pretty enthusiastically about Kentucky when asked. Maybe Krzyzewski convinced Allen to come back to work on his game more, because he knew Bolden wouldn't be joining. Allen has been very fond of Duke so it wouldn't be hypnosis or anything. More or less mutual, but that type of mutual seems to be going on with Bolden and Cal.

TraBuch · Post #1506 » by **TraBuch** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:21 pm

The winds have changed in Bolden's recruitment. His coach, who's a big time Kenny Payne guy, is no longer involved in his decision. It's all him and his parents, especially his mom, who're really pushing for Duke.

Post #1507 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:31 pm

TraBuch wrote:
Fischella wrote:How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

Expect to hear about Derryck Thornton transferring. His dad wasn't happy with how K used him in the offense.

Also, rumors out there that Sean Obi might retire from basketball due to his knees.

Yup one of two things will happen. Some inside people are saying K is putting on the full court press to try and keep Thornton. It sounds like Obi is basically all but done because his knees. But for sure there will be an opening

Post #1508 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:35 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
Fischella wrote:How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

They won't be getting Bolden as he has his sights set on Kentucky. I can see Isaac taking a backseat this season, but with all the front court talent he'll be much better entering his third season after all the practices that will occur.
Bolden speaks pretty enthusiastically about Kentucky when asked. Maybe Krzyzewski convinced Allen to come back to work on his game more, because he knew Bolden wouldn't be joining. Allen has been very fond of Duke so it wouldn't be hypnosis or anything. More or less mutual, but that type of mutual seems to be going on with Bolden and Cal.

Don't know where you're getting this from, but none of this is right. It has been the plan from the beginning for Grayson to be at Duke for 3 years, he's on pace to graduate this year. Him coming back has absolutely nothing to do with Bolden and has been known for all year that Grayson may test the waters but it was highly unlikely he would leave. And when it comes to Bolden all recent signs are pointing to hook coming to Duke. Even some UK insiders are saying Cal has begun to move on.

RationalGaze · Post #1509 » by **RationalGaze** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:40 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:
Fischella wrote:How is it going to work with Duke in terms of scholarships if they get Bolden, like they seem to be in position to do? with Grayson coming back plus Jefferson getting the redshirt, supposedly, they have 8 guys returning plus 5 coming in their recluting class, with Justin Robinson been a walk-on again that will work, but if they get Bolden that will be 14 guys and the max number of scholarships is 13.
Maybe they are counting with Amile Jefferson out?

They won't be getting Bolden as he has his sights set on Kentucky. I can see Isaac taking a backseat this season, but with all the front court talent he'll be much better entering his third season after all the practices that will occur.
Bolden speaks pretty enthusiastically about Kentucky when asked. Maybe Krzyzewski convinced Allen to come back to work on his game more, because he knew Bolden wouldn't be joining. Allen has been very fond of Duke so it wouldn't be hypnosis or anything. More or less mutual, but that type of mutual seems to be going on with Bolden and Cal.

Don't know where you're getting this from, but none of this is right. It has been the plan from the beginning for Grayson to be at Duke for 3 years, he's on pace to graduate this year. Him coming back has absolutely nothing to do with Bolden and has been known for all year that Grayson may test the waters but it was highly unlikely he would leave. And when it comes to Bolden all recent signs are pointing to hook coming to Duke. Even some UK insiders are saying Cal has begun to move on.

I stated the relationship was mutual, but Mike isn't some saint and definitely wants to win. Grayson goes this year and teams will look to pick him up and continue his development at the next level and that's being realistic. I'm aware Grayson is fond of Duke, but he'd be gone if he was Lotto or close to.

Post #1510 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:44 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:They won't be getting Bolden as he has his sights set on Kentucky. I can see Isaac taking a backseat this season, but with all the front court talent he'll be much better entering his third season after all the practices that will occur.
Bolden speaks pretty enthusiastically about Kentucky when asked. Maybe Krzyzewski convinced Allen to come back to work on his game more, because he knew Bolden wouldn't be joining. Allen has been very fond of Duke so it wouldn't be hypnosis or anything. More or less mutual, but that type of mutual seems to be going on with Bolden and Cal.

Don't know where you're getting this from, but none of this is right. It has been the plan from the beginning for Grayson to be at Duke for 3 years, he's on pace to graduate this year. Him coming back has absolutely nothing to do with Bolden and has been known for all year that Grayson may test the waters but it was highly unlikely he would leave. And when it comes to Bolden all recent signs are pointing to hook coming to Duke. Even some UK insiders are saying Cal has begun to move on.

I stated the relationship was mutual, but Mike isn't some saint and definitely wants to win. Grayson goes this year and teams will look to pick him up and continue his development at the next level and that's being realistic. I'm aware Grayson is fond of Duke, but he'd be gone if he was Lotto or close to.

Yes I agree He would be gone if he was lottery. But that wasn't ever a realistic thing though. Even after an all American year he still was borderline 1st rounder at best. So again there was no convincing by K to bring him back cause they were missing on Bolden. The plan from the beginning was him coming back unless somehow he shooted up the draft boards which he didn't.

No-Man · Post #1511 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:53 pm

It makes 0 sense for Bolden to go to UK, they have too many bigs already and little to 0 spacing.

RationalGaze · Post #1512 » by **RationalGaze** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:30 pm

Fischella wrote:It makes 0 sense for Bolden to go to UK, they have too many bigs already and little to 0 spacing.

It's a better fit at Duke, but UK would be a better place for him to improve. Duke definitely needs him more just like they needed Derryck Thornton this year until Krzyzewski discarded him. After the treatment of thornton I expect Marquese to pause and see what that was about for himself.

Coeur · Post #1513 » by **Coeur** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:22 pm

Grayson Allen would have went 15-20 this year. Much closer to buddy than most want to admit

Ell Curry · Post #1514 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:39 pm

EricAnderson wrote:It seems as if Self tries to purposely sabotage freshmen so they don't leave after a year..

I think it's probably that he just doesn't risk playing them more and letting them make mistakes. Would rather play upperclassmen and it's a bonus that his freshman don't leave as often.

That said, I'm not sure why 1 and dones go there as much as they do. Diallo could have been the starting 5 or at least split time with the starter for a lot of tourney teams. Michigan and Wichita come to mind, and you know Beilen's system and Van Vleet would have ensured him some easy looks.

Post #1515 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:18 pm

Coeur wrote:Grayson Allen would have went 15-20 this year. Much closer to buddy than most want to admit

He wouldn't have went that high. I think he has a higher ceiling than Hield but he's still got a ton to work on. His handles and defense are awful. He is also completely ineffective against athletic wings and can't finish against shot blockers

No-Man · Post #1516 » by **No-Man** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 8:12 am

RationalGaze wrote:
Fischella wrote:It makes 0 sense for Bolden to go to UK, they have too many bigs already and little to 0 spacing.

It's a better fit at Duke, but UK would be a better place for him to improve. Duke definitely needs him more just like they needed Derryck Thornton this year until Krzyzewski discarded him. After the treatment of thornton I expect Marquese to pause and see what that was about for himself.

He would be a back-up big for Duke, playing from the bench with Jeter, at UK? maybe he wins a spot but they have already 3 guys who are better at the 5, Bam, Humphries and Wynyard, plus Gabriel, Willis and Killeya-Jones, with very little spacing from the perimeter.

No-Man · Post #1517 » by **No-Man** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 8:17 am

Ell Curry wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:It seems as if Self tries to purposely sabotage freshmen so they don't leave after a year..

I think it's probably that he just doesn't risk playing them more and letting them make mistakes. Would rather play upperclassmen and it's a bonus that his freshman don't leave as often.

That said, I'm not sure why 1 and dones go there as much as they do. Diallo could have been the starting 5 or at least split time with the starter for a lot of tourney teams. Michigan and Wichita come to mind, and you know Beilen's system and Van Vleet would have ensured him some easy looks.

Diallo is not a blatant case, he is not a better NCAA player than neither Lucas or Ellis at this point, Bragg on the other hand, he should have played more.

I expect Kansas to play like this if Diallo leaves and they get Jackson.

Mason
Graham-Vick
Jackson-Mykhailiuk
Bragg-Coleby/Lightfoot
Lucas-Azubuike

And they might get Ferguson too.

EricAnderson · Post #1518 » by **EricAnderson** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:10 pm

Ell Curry wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:It seems as if Self tries to purposely sabotage freshmen so they don't leave after a year..

I think it's probably that he just doesn't risk playing them more and letting them make mistakes. Would rather play upperclassmen and it's a bonus that his freshman don't leave as often.

That said, I'm not sure why 1 and dones go there as much as they do. Diallo could have been the starting 5 or at least split time with the starter for a lot of tourney teams. Michigan and Wichita come to mind, and you know Beilen's system and Van Vleet would have ensured him some easy looks.

You can't argue with Selfs record but I'm not a huge fan of his in the tourney because he's a system coach who never adjusts. He also doesn't go out of his way to get his best players shots. In too many games he lost in the tourney a star player takes like 5 shots

No-Man · Post #1519 » by **No-Man** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 9:59 pm

Man, Marques Bolden and Jared Allen length is insane, both are really intriguing, if Allen goes with Shaka, Texas is going to be interesting, with Taylor coming back;

Taylor-Young
Davis-Yancy
Roach-Jones
Mack-Cleare
Allen-Banks

2 McDonalds All American in year 2 after guys like Davis, Roach and Mack in year 1 is quite a start for coach Smart.

Bolden measurements and game is a bit like poor man's, ligther, possibly more versatile defender, Okafor, if he goes to Duke the paralelism is going to be there.

No-Man · Post #1520 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:41 am

Self strikes again, man the guy is clutch as hell with this number 1 recruits.

Mason-Graham
Graham-Vick
Jackson-Svi
Bragg-Jackson
Lucas-Azubuike

Really good and balanced on paper, we will see if Diallo comes back or not, and what happens with DColeby and MLightfoot that will fight for minutes inside.

Too bad for the Spartans.