2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

I feel like the pro-Edey side has been a lot more forthcoming about why they think it'll work than vice versa.

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

[EvanZ]

Anyone know much about Brandin Podziemski from Santa Clara? His production is top notch so far

Yes he’s pretty good. Kind of like a less athletic DDV.


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[babyjax13]

It’s pretty crazy. Big Z was listed at 7’3” 260. Edey is 7’4” 305!


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I think Z had gotten quite a bit heavier in his prime, but I might be wrong. Yao was listed at 311, so maybe that's the closest frame comp, same thick legs. Nurkic is listed at 290, but not as tall, obviously. Boban is 290, but Edey looks thicker to me?

[zike_42]

Super random question: now that college players are able to get paid, do you think that there could be a college portion of NBA 2k? I know there is a small college portion already but could future games have heaps (all?) college teams to make it another proper section of the game?

[The Moose]

Anyone know much about Brandin Podziemski from Santa Clara? His production is top notch so far

Yes he’s pretty good. Kind of like a less athletic DDV.


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seems like a decent 2nd round swing

[clyde21]

how is Mintz still not being discussed as a lotto pick?

[The-Power]

how is Mintz still not being discussed as a lotto pick?

What kind of player are we looking at if he doesn't make a dramatic jump in his shooting ability? Which semi-successful NBA Lead Guards around his size are both inaccurate as well as low volume shooters from distance, and struggle with efficiency overall? Only Fultz?

[165bows]

I feel like the pro-Edey side has been a lot more forthcoming about why they think it'll work than vice versa.

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

[clyde21]

how is Mintz still not being discussed as a lotto pick?

What kind of player are we looking at if he doesn't make a dramatic jump in his shooting ability? Which semi-successful NBA Lead Guards around his size are both inaccurate as well as low volume shooters from distance, and struggle with efficiency overall? Only Fultz?

not a dead eye shooter by any stretch but that should already be priced in, if he was even a 30% 3pt shooter on higher volume you're talking about a possible top 5 pick?

worth noting that he's shooting much better in conference too, 50% from 2s and 23% from 3s, mechanically he's sound and he hits his FTs at a decent clip, so there is no reason to believe he's not gonna continue improving either.

otherwise, he's got all the fundamentals - NBA level athleticism, handle with an ability to penetrate and get his own shots off, great A/TO ratio for a FS, two steals a pop, highly active and generates a lot of plays on both ends...if you add solid outside shooting to this profile how high would he go?

[The-Power]

how is Mintz still not being discussed as a lotto pick?

What kind of player are we looking at if he doesn't make a dramatic jump in his shooting ability? Which semi-successful NBA Lead Guards around his size are both inaccurate as well as low volume shooters from distance, and struggle with efficiency overall? Only Fultz?

not a dead eye shooter by any stretch but that should already be priced in, if he was even a 30% 3pt shooter on higher volume you're talking about a possible top 5 pick?

worth noting that he's shooting much better in conference too, 50% from 2s and 23% from 3s, mechanically he's sound and he hits his FTs at a decent clip, so there is no reason to believe he's not gonna continue improving either.

otherwise, he's got all the fundamentals - NBA level athleticism, handle with an ability to penetrate and get his own shots off, great A/TO ratio for a FS, two steals a pop, highly active and generates a lot of plays on both ends...if you add solid outside shooting to this profile how high would he go?

I understand, of course, that you like the rest of the profile. I'm just asking that if he never becomes even a respectable shooter from distance – and that doesn't seem far-fetched with his indicators – then what value does a player like him have in the NBA? What comparisons of good current NBA players are out there if he doesn't make big jumps in his shooting ability?

[EvanZ]

I feel like the pro-Edey side has been a lot more forthcoming about why they think it'll work than vice versa.

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

You seem to fundamentally not understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA.

[165bows]

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

You seem to fundamentally not understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA.

Bro I'm not quoting you for a reason - you are saying nothing. You make a metric ton of wild assumptions about posters you know nothing about, yet have made zero points beyond those literally every single person here recognizes.

[EvanZ]

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

You seem to fundamentally not understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA.

Bro I'm not quoting you for a reason - you are saying nothing. You make a metric ton of wild assumptions about posters you know nothing about, yet have made zero points beyond those literally every single person here recognizes.

And yet you never actually address my concerns. You just keep saying "Bro" bro.

To be clear, my question is "Do you understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA?"

[TheSuzerain]

I feel like the pro-Edey side has been a lot more forthcoming about why they think it'll work than vice versa.

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

I don't think the stance that the clearly superior player will remain superior is particularly provocative.

And I don't particularly care that my opinion on Edey strays from the herd. I do think it's funny that this critical lens is put away when we talk about the other supposed lotto prospects though. Seems like a lot of mediocre 19 year olds and a lot of naked hope to me.

[EvanZ]

And I don't particularly care that my opinion on Edey strays from the herd. I do think it's funny that this critical lens is put away when we talk about the other supposed lotto prospects though. Seems like a lot of mediocre 19 year olds and a lot of naked hope to me.

Uh. It isn't though?

[165bows]

You seem to fundamentally not understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA.

Bro I'm not quoting you for a reason - you are saying nothing. You make a metric ton of wild assumptions about posters you know nothing about, yet have made zero points beyond those literally every single person here recognizes.

And yet you never actually address my concerns. You just keep saying "Bro" bro.

To be clear, my question is "Do you understand the difference between winning in college and the NBA?"

Not sure how to help you understand how wildly uninterested I am in having that conversation with you.

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[clyde21]

I feel like the pro-Edey side has been a lot more forthcoming about why they think it'll work than vice versa.

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

if you understand his weak spots then you should understand why he shouldn't be a lotto pick.

how about you put your word where ur mouth is - how high are taking Edey?

[clyde21]

What kind of player are we looking at if he doesn't make a dramatic jump in his shooting ability? Which semi-successful NBA Lead Guards around his size are both inaccurate as well as low volume shooters from distance, and struggle with efficiency overall? Only Fultz?

not a dead eye shooter by any stretch but that should already be priced in, if he was even a 30% 3pt shooter on higher volume you're talking about a possible top 5 pick?

worth noting that he's shooting much better in conference too, 50% from 2s and 23% from 3s, mechanically he's sound and he hits his FTs at a decent clip, so there is no reason to believe he's not gonna continue improving either.

otherwise, he's got all the fundamentals - NBA level athleticism, handle with an ability to penetrate and get his own shots off, great A/TO ratio for a FS, two steals a pop, highly active and generates a lot of plays on both ends...if you add solid outside shooting to this profile how high would he go?

I understand, of course, that you like the rest of the profile. I'm just asking that if he never becomes even a respectable shooter from distance – and that doesn't seem far-fetched with his indicators – then what value does a player like him have in the NBA? What comparisons of good current NBA players are out there if he doesn't make big jumps in his shooting ability?

if he doesn't develop as a shooter he's still a guy that can break defenses down and run some offense for you. situational guard that can be extremely useful off the bench. but second half of lotto I am willing to make this bet.

but again, isn't the lack of shooting already priced in the eval? that's why no one's talking about him as a top 5 or top 10 guy, but as a second half of lotto guy that imo should be a convo given everything else he brings to the table and projectablility.

[165bows]

except this entire discussion started b/c YOU said Edey might be the 3rd best player in the entire class - which on its surface is pretty ridiculous and you haven't followed it up with anything other than outlier size + college production, and both of these things don't necessarily translate 1/1 to the NBA.

i don't think I saw anyone in this thread say the guy is undraftable or a non-prospect, just that he's not a lotto pick almost by virtue of his archetype. which seems like a pretty reasonable and straightforward take.

if Edey does turn into a star, it'll be because he's a complete outlier and not the rule, and you don't draft in the lotto hoping for anomaly outcomes. if you are gonna make the bet that's he's the outlier, then you're more than welcome to tell us how high you'd draft him (you ignored it the last time I asked you this).

the most reasonable take is he goes in the 25-50 range as an off-bench size advantage + high percentage bucket getter. if you think that's a crazy take, YOU need to bring more to the table than college production.

Tbf the arguments against have been pretty generic - everyone understands his weak spots. Is there a ton of evidence of his team getting killed in transition, the team's defense getting worse with him on the court, etc? Serious question.

Because the team got rid of Jayden Ivey and Trevion Williams and got dramatically better on defense with Edey taking over the front court. So that doesn't answer the question of will he be playable on D but I haven't seen anything concrete in the other direction either in here despite a lot of protestations.

if you understand his weak spots then you should understand why he shouldn't be a lotto pick.

how about you put your word where ur mouth is - how high are taking Edey?

Lol I 1). already did and 2)., never stated I thought he was a lotto pick. Can people not follow a conversation or read/write basic English on this board to save their lives? Holy ****.