Potential sleepers

realEAST · Post #1521 » by **realEAST** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:53 pm

Also, not sure whether this has been shared, kind of fits the thread perfectly:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23815804/2018-nba-draft-10-sleepers-steals-watch

Post #1522 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:01 am

realEAST wrote:And while we are at it, I am more disappointed to see Redish go to Duke with Barret already there, than Zion, although I'd liked to see Zion as sure thing #1 option. Barret and Reddish, at least on college level have too many similarities and imo their skills overlap too much, for their own good.

Reddish actually committed first. Cam committed to Duke in September and RJ committed in November. Plus Cam to Duke was the worst kept secret in recruiting for a long long time.

But to tie it all back to sleepers. I think we saw Duval get misused big time this past year. If you take out K's name and prior to the start of last season you said, 35% of Duval's offense is going to come from spot ups, while just 13% of his offense will come in the PnR and just 2% in Iso. I think almost everyone's reply who saw Duval in high school would say, that is some horrible coaching if you use him that way. His PnR should be 35%, his Iso should be 13% and spot up should be 2%. Duval's entire game is based off of creating off the dribble and his biggest weakness is his shot.

Overall just really dumb how he was used and I think he has a great chance to be the sleeper of this draft.

realEAST · Post #1523 » by **realEAST** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:19 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
realEAST wrote:And while we are at it, I am more disappointed to see Redish go to Duke with Barret already there, than Zion, although I'd liked to see Zion as sure thing #1 option. Barret and Reddish, at least on college level have too many similarities and imo their skills overlap too much, for their own good.

Reddish actually committed first. Cam committed to Duke in September and RJ committed in November. Plus Cam to Duke was the worst kept secret in recruiting for a long long time.

But to tie it all back to sleepers. I think we saw Duval get misused big time this past year. If you take out K's name and prior to the start of last season you said, 35% of Duval's offense is going to come from spot ups, while just 13% of his offense will come in the PnR and just 2% in Iso. I think almost everyone's reply who saw Duval in high school would say, that is some horrible coaching if you use him that way. His PnR should be 35%, his Iso should be 13% and spot up should be 2%. Duval's entire game is based off of creating off the dribble and his biggest weakness is his shot.

Overall just really dumb how he was used and I think he has a great chance to be the sleeper of this draft.

Hm, I got timeline on this one wrong. Nevermind

What's interests me is, since Duval was pretty considered high to begin the year (top10-15 projected), are scouts going to dwell a bit deeper in his numbers and decide he is a worthy risk, or just going to play it safe, knowing shooting is big part of todays game, especially for the guards.

There are interesting guys in that 40-50 range, with some intriguing depth on guard and forward positions imo, with some guys going under the radar who could make decent role players in NBA. Some names I personally wouldn't mind taking a flier on, depending on team and need, in that range are: Kendrich Wiliams and Vince Edwards.Older guys, but I think they can be pretty decent off the bench, covering two positions - wing ones for Williams and imo Edwards could work as combo forward
Gary Clark too, especially if he continues to develop outside shot. Not sure Bonga falls that far, but I'd sure take my chances with H. Diallo in that range. Also, it seems JEvon Carter played himself in that 25-35 range imo, but Devon'te Graham could be decent pickup in that range for a team looking for a backup guard. He is maybe closer to being 4th guy in guard rotation than 3rd one, but he could eventually give good 15 mins a game as combo off the bench.

bartunik · Post #1524 » by **bartunik** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:50 am

I think people are still sleeping on khyri thomas. Once he gets work in with some NBA trainers I think he's going to demoralize some NBA guards next season avery bradley-style. He isn't a flashy athlete, but functional no doubt. He's strong and long. He knows how to play the game on both ends. And his shooting (consistent form and good elevation) will translate sooner than later.

Dr Positivity · Post #1525 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:39 am

Bonzie Colson is showing up pretty well for me if he's healthy. Apparently he has 7 foot wingspan? I don't think being short is a dealbreaker if so. Guys like him have been 2nd round steals before.

No-Man · Post #1526 » by **No-Man** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:33 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Bonzie Colson is showing up pretty well for me if he's healthy. Apparently he has 7 foot wingspan? I don't think being short is a dealbreaker if so. Guys like him have been 2nd round steals before.

yeah, the issue with him is that he is pretty damn slow and has 0 burst

Post #1527 » by **FNQ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:27 pm

My big sleeper is the guy I desperately hope we draft - Gary Trent Jr.

Stillwater · Post #1528 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:59 pm

The biggest sleepers at this point are probably projects, but Duval and Simons as a developmental guard prospects are still being slept on.
But after the draft is over if any of these guys don't get drafted teams that didn't have 2nd round picks will be signing stud role players after tc:
Pinson,Bluiett,Clark, Terrell, Nunn, Macura,Moore etc.

Stillwater · Post #1529 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 pm

Fischella wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Bonzie Colson is showing up pretty well for me if he's healthy. Apparently he has 7 foot wingspan? I don't think being short is a dealbreaker if so. Guys like him have been 2nd round steals before.

yeah, the issue with him is that he is pretty damn slow and has 0 burst

Underated but undersized 3&D pf . Does have decent length to play the 4 in a small ball role but then comes major hit with the 2 foot surgeries and so he might still carve a niche at the end of a rotation somewhere, but if he gets drafted it will be in the last 5.

Post #1530 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:20 pm

Fischella wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Fischella wrote:I might take Cameron Johnson top20, or close, I really really like him

What makes him so special in your eyes? After all, he's going to be 23 years old by the time of the draft and doesn't exactly dominate college basketball.

Well, first and foremost his shooting is elite, there is little doubt in my mind about that, his release is pristine and he prepares for it off-ball, he is gonna shoot, that alone at 6'8 with length and his frame has value, but then although he doesnt have a left hand, he has a floor game, can dribble some and pass, not a guy that's gonna break down a defense but has nice elevation around the basket.

He has all the tools to be a solid all around support wing, think Joe Ingles type.

Another guy with those that nobody talks about is Tres Tinkle.

Tinkle's putting up serious all-around stats this season - a 30 PER and high efficiency scoring. But he's 23 - will turn 24 around the draft. Picking in the 2nd round - maybe teams like that, because of the maturity factor. Tinkle is no diaper dandy, as Dickie V would say. But there are definitely teams that could use a Tinkle. Oops, that came out wrong. :dontknow:

elias808 · Post #1531 » by **elias808** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:18 am

Ruzious wrote:
Fischella wrote:
The-Power wrote:What makes him so special in your eyes? After all, he's going to be 23 years old by the time of the draft and doesn't exactly dominate college basketball.

Well, first and foremost his shooting is elite, there is little doubt in my mind about that, his release is pristine and he prepares for it off-ball, he is gonna shoot, that alone at 6'8 with length and his frame has value, but then although he doesnt have a left hand, he has a floor game, can dribble some and pass, not a guy that's gonna break down a defense but has nice elevation around the basket.

He has all the tools to be a solid all around support wing, think Joe Ingles type.

Another guy with those that nobody talks about is Tres Tinkle.

Tinkle's putting up serious all-around stats this season - a 30 PER and high efficiency scoring. But he's 23 - will turn 24 around the draft. Picking in the 2nd round - maybe teams like that, because of the maturity factor. Tinkle is no diaper dandy, as Dickie V would say. But there are definitely teams that could use a Tinkle. Oops, that came out wrong.

Actually came here to post about Tinkle. He's really up'd his 3 point shooting this year (a major flaw previous years). Seems like a solid second round pick that will be high lvl roll player for years.

King Ken · Post #1532 » by **King Ken** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:09 pm

You guys did a really good job finding sleepers.

goober · Post #1533 » by **goober** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:38 am

in this upcoming draft I think Yoeli Child’s could be a real decent pickup, reminds me of Clarke in Memphis

Catchall · Post #1534 » by **Catchall** » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:52 am

Tyler Bey at Colorado compares well to Aaron Gordon coming out of Arizona, and he's a better shooter than AG was.

nicnac215 · Post #1535 » by **nicnac215** » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:46 am

Jay Scrubb. I can see him being the best offensive guard in the draft and he didnt even play in the ncaa. Juco player.

Nazrmohamed · Post #1536 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:49 am

Catchall wrote:Tyler Bey at Colorado compares well to Aaron Gordon coming out of Arizona, and he's a better shooter than AG was.

I like him alot but Idk if he's a sleeper anymore. About a month ago he was hovering around the early 2nd round, now arrive mocks have him as high as the early 20s.

Catchall · Post #1537 » by **Catchall** » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:20 pm

nicnac215 wrote:Jay Scrubb. I can see him being the best offensive guard in the draft and he didnt even play in the ncaa. Juco player.

I'm not sure with him. His level of competition is low, like Miye Oni at Yale.

Coeur · Post #1538 » by **Coeur** » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:22 am

Cassius Stanley should be talked about in the top 10. And I think he’s actually realistic for the Nugs even at 22?

Post #1539 » by **Marcus** » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:27 am

Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley should be talked about in the top 10. And I think he’s actually realistic for the Nugs even at 22?

why top 10?

Coeur · Post #1540 » by **Coeur** » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:01 am

Marcus wrote:
Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley should be talked about in the top 10. And I think he’s actually realistic for the Nugs even at 22?

why top 10?

Elite athleticism, finishing, defensive......

Absolute beast. Can’t figure out why they don’t put him where he belongs. I honestly think part it is the “experts” almost trying to push him back to school.

Stanley hurt imo by not having NCAA tourney. But only to us fans. The pros will have him