All Things Luka Doncic

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Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

After equating Doncic and Hezonja despite their playing styles not being even remotely similar, you said "The young Bulls forward looks good though but he's 7 feet", as if he's somehow relevant, and then said "Forgot about Giannis but he's not white".

You've completely eradicated your credibility when it comes to European prospects with your senseless drivel that paints all white European basketball players with the same brush. Nobody will take you seriously. Tough break.

[dantheman74]

Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

After equating Doncic and Hezonja despite their playing styles not even remotely being similar, you said "The young Bulls forward looks good though but he's 7 feet", as if he's somehow relevant, and then said "Forgot about Giannis but he's not white".

You've completely eradicated your credibility when it comes to European prospects with your senseless drivel that paints all white Europeans with the same brush. Nobody will take you seriously. Tough break.

Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen. That Hezonja was equally as hyped and turned out a bust. That giannis isn't white and that's why i didn't include him in the conversation, if that's racist in your opinion maybe you should go challenge Usain Bolt to a 100m running race. Lauri is really a different kind of player, he's a legit 7footer that can shoot, not a plodding wing that does a bit of everything and gets people excited like he's the next great white hope lol. EDIT: What position do you think Doncic can excel and start at, he's not either of the guard positions, and too slow to play SF(let alone defend them), tell me more how awesome he's gonna be and how he should be a lottery pick.

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Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen.

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

What you don't realize, is that Hezonja wasn't even half the player Doncic is in the Euroleague. He was a rotational player for Barcelona, barely a featured player for Croatia, his work ethic issues were well known and he was widely inconsistent. He got drafted #5 strictly due to upside. Doncic is a key player for Real Madrid and Slovenia and already a leading candidate for Euroleague MVP.

[dantheman74]

Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen.

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

Manu is Argentinian(yes i will play the Argentinian card if thats what he claims he is and was born there), Drazen unfortunately passed away early, might have been an all time great. Peja was a BIG that could shoot.

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Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen.

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

Manu is Argentinian, Drazen unfortunately passed away early, might have been an all time great. Peja was a BIG that could shoot.

Jesus Christ you can't even read.

Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

[BackseatBoss]

Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

What a clueless and ignorant post ... He's white, both from Europe so they must be the same right?

Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

Saying that Hezonja and Doncic are similar players is the same as saying that Greg Monroe and Anthony Davis are similar... Their games are completely different and their talent levels are incredibly far apart. Luka is doing things as an 18 year old against grown men on probably a top 3 richest team in Europe that most other young players would dream of against U18 competition. The guy has a phenomenal feel for the game, can shoot, can handle the ball, can drive, can orchestrate the offense, can grab rebounds, is not fazed by high pressure, has the perfect size and is easily the best player AT AGE 18 on a top 3 team in entire Europe. Hezonja was getting garbage time minutes sporadically when he was 19 and everyone could tell that his attitude as well as skill set run a high risk of not translating into anything good in the NBA. Luka so far has had none of such problems. But sure, go talk up the fact about how you watch European ball when it’s clear as day you don’t...

[Mulhollanddrive]

He's terrific, really fantastic, number 1 prospect in the world, has the best skills, let me just say, I've known him a long time, terrific guy, going to make big changes believe me, taught him everything I know, he's a winner, he loves winning, and trust me when I say that, I know, don't believe what they tell you, these posters with false claims, its all true, look at me, look at his hands, they're huge, he plays near Russia, not China, we're going to great things me and Luka, great guy, very smart.

[UcanUwill]

Looks like he is already outgrowing Euroleague level of competition. How often players from Euroleague title contenders reach 40 PIR, very rarely, I am not even talking about the fact he is 18. Ridiculous.

Really improved his foul drawing rate, which is very demanding skill if you want to be a star, and I am not sure if these guys are just cant box out, or is he just that good at getting in position for offensive rebounds.

[baldur]

Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen.

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

Manu is Argentinian(yes i will play the Argentinian card if thats what he claims he is and was born there), Drazen unfortunately passed away early, might have been an all time great. Peja was a BIG that could shoot.

Just stop man, you are still saying manu is Argentinian. He played in Europe and got his success there. Europe is where he came from to the nba.. Do you even know that? And the term euro players are not only used for euro born players, but also euro grown players like scola, manu, etc, you can't win with your childish arguments.

[walk with me]

I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about the physical type of European players who are (elite) successful vs the Europeans players who aren’t

The guys that are usually successful carry a lot of the same traits

Height- 6’9 to + 7’0
Wiry strength
Have a mean streak
Typically aren’t praised for their athleticsm
Aren’t primary ball handlers
Aren’t relied upon to create from the guard position
Aren’t over hyped
Actually want to be in America



If I was a GM I’d stay away from the tall lanky guard archetype. Not to say it’s impossible that a guy like that can work out but historically it doesn’t, there are exceptions to every rule. The exception here would be ginobili. Aside from him I haven’t been able to think of many non North American born players (euro/s.american) who achieved elite level not being some of the attributes I listed.

[Theocy]

Did you not read that i stated Dirk, TP and the Gasols are the only above decent Euro players the NBA has seen.

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

Manu is Argentinian(yes i will play the Argentinian card if thats what he claims he is and was born there), Drazen unfortunately passed away early, might have been an all time great. Peja was a BIG that could shoot.

Kukoc
Divac
Ginobily
Parker
Gasols
Dirk
Drazen
Sabonis
Peja
Dragic
Kirilenko
Turkoglu
Radja
Rubio
Batum
(isnt Gobert French?)
Belinelli


I've seen stupidity but this is too much.

[UcanUwill]

Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

You heard Mario Hezonja was best prospect in the world? From who, your cat or smth?

By the way, how is Doncic unproven, he is literally the only prospect in the draft who played against NBA players already. Not only he played in the Eurobasket against guys like Porzingis, Rubio, Gasols, Bogdanovic, Fournier, but he won gold medal and was named all tournament team. You got it completely backwards.

Doncic is best player in Europe at age 18... That said, I dont think he is best prospect in the world, well its debatable. I question his ceiling, but what he is doing right now is unprecedented. If he keeps improving at this rate, hard to imnagine what he could become.

[dantheman74]

What a clueless and ignorant post ... He's white, both from Europe so they must be the same right?

Tbh your reply is what is clueless and ignorant. I stated Hezonja was "bigger, quicker, stronger", i'm glad you let off some steam though chump. Try add some discussion in other than a pointless idiotic thought.

Saying that Hezonja and Doncic are similar players is the same as saying that Greg Monroe and Anthony Davis are similar... Their games are completely different and their talent levels are incredibly far apart. Luka is doing things as an 18 year old against grown men on probably a top 3 richest team in Europe that most other young players would dream of against U18 competition. The guy has a phenomenal feel for the game, can shoot, can handle the ball, can drive, can orchestrate the offense, can grab rebounds, is not fazed by high pressure, has the perfect size and is easily the best player AT AGE 18 on a top 3 team in entire Europe. Hezonja was getting garbage time minutes sporadically when he was 19 and everyone could tell that his attitude as well as skill set run a high risk of not translating into anything good in the NBA. Luka so far has had none of such problems. But sure, go talk up the fact about how you watch European ball when it’s clear as day you don’t...

Is humourous to me a lot of these replies, "you're ignorant,. stupid,. racist,. you obviously don't watch european basketball yet i do", you guys must be those agro gangsta squatting slavs i see memes about, maybe your boy will buy you a new caravan with his draft dollars. Chill out its basketball convo that we disagree about, and i'm calling him another overhyped at best bench player.

I can respect the statements of those saying you think he has a completely different game than Hezonja, but from what i've seen he's too slow at either guard postion and unless he becomes a 3&D guy his jack of all trades skillset that has "dominated" Euroleague will not translate to the NBA to be the star you think he is. He would be better getting drafted late to a good team where he may shine, but he's not going to a bad team and making them win in the NBA.

No need to call out ethnicity - User warned - Cap

[UcanUwill]

hezonja was a barely rotation player in europe and raw prospect coming to the nba. He has been a bust so far unfortunately regarding his draft position. However, doncic is a proven player with the things he has done so far. he led slovenia national team along with goran dragic to European championship. it is the first for slovenia i reckon. Also, he is the leader of a Euroleague contender at this point at the age of 18. comparison is unfair.

Doncic-Hezonja comparison is stupid not unfair. I can understand a comparison with Rubio history but with Hezonja he has nothing in common besides a Slavic name.

I watch a lot of International competition as well as the NBA, Hezonja was predicted to be a starter level talent thus the 5th pick, was obvious he couldn't handle the ball very well, but his shooting and driving were hyped, and his athletic talent for a similar sized guy like Doncic was even better. Goran Dragic was the heart of the Slovenia win, don't be sucked in.

SO what, Tyrus Thomas was super hyped as well, so we should not draft College players because of that? Hezonja couldn't dribble or play any defense in Barcelona, he was barely a rotation player. It was obvious that he cant play, but it was stereotypical athlete over actual player hype, that is super common and stupid mistake. Doncic can run circles around Hezonja.

I can respect the statements of those saying you think he has a completely different game than Hezonja, but from what i've seen he's too slow at either guard postion and unless he becomes a 3&D guy his jack of all trades skillset that has "dominated" Euroleague will not translate to the NBA to be the star you think he is. He would be better getting drafted late to a good team where he may shine, but he's not going to a bad team and making them win in the NBA.

Well, here we go, now you at least trying to make a reasonable point. You could have started with this to begin with, instead of bringing Hezonja, who has nothing to do with anything. You received hostile responses, because your comparison was just not bright at all.

[UcanUwill]

Mario Hezonja had total of 134 PIR points in Euroleague 2015 season.
Luka Doncic had 41 PIR points yeasterday in a single game.

[young11a]

I always hear bout these legends like Dragon b3nder and Mario and all these guys and there garbage

[BernteB]

the ignorance in this thread is astonishing.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Nope.

Reminds me of all the Rubio hype. I'm aware Doncic is a better prospect than Rubio but the comparisons remain. People get far too carried away with what these guys do in competitions against players with inferior athletic ability to Americans. I think he'll be a good player but there's no way I'm taking him over one of the American prospects with better athletic ability.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and Drazen Petrovic are enough to put your white Euro wings can't be great in the NBA myth to bed. Ginobili has Italian ancestry and came to prominence in Italy, so don't dare to use the he's Argentinian card, when you've clearly made ethnicity a central theme of your argument.

Manu is Argentinian(yes i will play the Argentinian card if thats what he claims he is and was born there), Drazen unfortunately passed away early, might have been an all time great. Peja was a BIG that could shoot.

Kukoc
Divac
Ginobily
Parker
Gasols
Dirk
Drazen
Sabonis
Peja
Dragic
Kirilenko
Turkoglu
Radja
Rubio
Batum
(isnt Gobert French?)
Belinelli


I've seen stupidity but this is too much.

The Gasols and Dirk are the best example of successful bigs out of that bunch and their height helped them immensely.

It's not even about being racist to white people (I'm white myself). The last time there was a tall white superstar that wasn't a PF/C was Larry Bird and that was in a much different era.

[Goon]

I always hear bout these legends like Dragon b3nder and Mario and all these guys and there garbage

Why didn't you also list garbage like Porzingis and Dragic? Or they don't fit your agenda?