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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1561 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 3:25 pm

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Sexton is like... the worst comp possible?

1. Sexton is an elite athlete, Collier is not
2. Sexton's BBIQ sucks, this is Collier's only positive trait
3. Sexton cares a ton and is an intense competitor, Collier doesn't care at all
4. Sexton is ripped and is perfect shape, Collier is really out of shape.

Collier is short LaMelo who needs to shoot 37% from three on extremely high volume.

This is obviously a big issue as Collier's FT% is very very very very bad.


Collier isn't fat, he is a bowling ball of muscle. Makes me question if you have even watched him.
Collier doesn't care? Dude just had 31 pts including 3 layups in the final 2 mins to seal the win vs Washington.
Collier sure lives at the rim a lot for an unathletic player, 55% from 2 on 9 attempts per game is elite for a guard. 6 FTA is very good for a freshman guard.

Collier isn't a great shooter right now, but we also aren't selling him as some top 3 pick can't miss guy, like the Scoot narrative. Collier 5-12 feels like a no-brainer with what he is doing as a college freshman.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1562 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 3:29 pm

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At pick 45 in the draft I’ll gladly take a guy with a tangible skill set that translates to the NBA. A guy with decent enough athleticism and extremely high IQ and motor should not only make a roster but also project to be a high level glue guy/rotation player in my book. As you can tell, I’m very high on Jones. Would happily draft him in the 15-20 range.


What is his tangible skill? He is a 6-6 big bodied guard who just bullies smaller slower opponents, but vs real NBA athletes I have a hard time seeing him just physically dominating like he does now. I get he is a great rebounding guard, but does that translate to NBA at his size consistently? Also, no issues with him going at pick 45. I just don't agree with him in the 20-25 range that he is creeping up to.


Rebounding. Will he average double digit rebounds like he does now, no. Should he be above average for us position, yes.
His feel for the game, specifically seeing his teammates for easy buckets, is a tangible skill.
I would argue defense is another one as well.

Once you get to pick 20 and beyond it’s a total crap shoot. It’s either a freshman that underperformed, a second or third tier European player, or a 4 year “old guy”. Personally, I’ll take the 4 year “old guy”. Especially one that averages 21/10/5.


Yeah I just don't see a role for him. Not a good shooter, not big enough to play the 4, not a guy that is good enough to be some primary ball handler. His defense doesn't really stand out statistically. SF who primary skill is they rebound well isn't really a sought after player in the NBA.

I think he will be a great Gleague or overseas player where he can play a similar role to what he does now. Again at pick 45 if you want to take a swing on him then yeah, but a team taking him in the first round feels like a waste to me.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1563 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Mar 6, 2024 3:47 pm

Collier throws ton of garbage passes that his teammates have no shot at just to try to look cool and complains every time for fouls instead of running back on defense. He does not care at all. He has LaMelo's level of "got that dog in him" (neither have any dog in them and neither care about winning at all), but he doesn't have LaMelo's high level shooting yet (and probably will never get there).
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1564 » by crows2 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 6:30 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Collier is listed at 6-5 and 210 lbs and he plays up to his size. He bullied Cody Williams several possessions in their latest game vs Colorado. I am not going to bat as Collier is some can't miss guy, but I think I am higher on him than consensus when all is said done. 6 FTA per game is pretty good for a freshman guard, not saying it is a perfect comp but I think he could be a Collin Sexton type of player at the next level.

I don't have an official board or anything yet but I think he is in the back half of the top 10 for me.


Collier reportedly measured 6 foot 3 and a quarter in shoes at the Hoop Summit last year. The 6 foot 5 figure seems extremely generous.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1565 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 6:44 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Collier is listed at 6-5 and 210 lbs and he plays up to his size. He bullied Cody Williams several possessions in their latest game vs Colorado. I am not going to bat as Collier is some can't miss guy, but I think I am higher on him than consensus when all is said done. 6 FTA per game is pretty good for a freshman guard, not saying it is a perfect comp but I think he could be a Collin Sexton type of player at the next level.

I don't have an official board or anything yet but I think he is in the back half of the top 10 for me.


Collier reportedly measured 6 foot 3 and a quarter in shoes at the Hoop Summit last year. The 6 foot 5 figure seems extremely generous.


What did he weigh in at then?
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

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Post#1567 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Mar 6, 2024 7:56 pm

This was Givony back in November

"There's quite a lot to like about Collier, who USC lists at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds -- which, if accurate, gives him outstanding size for a lead guard (for comparison, he measured at 6-3¼ in shoes earlier this year at the Hoop Summit)."

If he hasn't grown since the Hoop Summit, he's 6'2"
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Post#1568 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 8:21 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:This was Givony back in November

"There's quite a lot to like about Collier, who USC lists at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds -- which, if accurate, gives him outstanding size for a lead guard (for comparison, he measured at 6-3¼ in shoes earlier this year at the Hoop Summit)."

If he hasn't grown since the Hoop Summit, he's 6'2"


Yeah it is more about the height weight combo with him. He could be 6-5 and 185lbs and still play smaller then if he is 6-3 210.

I also don't have any concerns with his ability to break defenses down off the dribble with his speed and power so he should be fine playing the point at the next level.

My main concern with him is shooting, but shooting 33% isn't the end of the world. I mentioned Sexton earlier and that is what he shot in college with good driving and foul drawing numbers.
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Post#1569 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Mar 6, 2024 8:37 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:This was Givony back in November

"There's quite a lot to like about Collier, who USC lists at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds -- which, if accurate, gives him outstanding size for a lead guard (for comparison, he measured at 6-3¼ in shoes earlier this year at the Hoop Summit)."

If he hasn't grown since the Hoop Summit, he's 6'2"


Yeah it is more about the height weight combo with him. He could be 6-5 and 185lbs and still play smaller then if he is 6-3 210.

I also don't have any concerns with his ability to break defenses down off the dribble with his speed and power so he should be fine playing the point at the next level.

My main concern with him is shooting, but shooting 33% isn't the end of the world. I mentioned Sexton earlier and that is what he shot in college with good driving and foul drawing numbers.


Sexton shot 78% from the line in college...

Collier's 67% on high volume is really bad.
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Post#1570 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 8:47 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:This was Givony back in November

"There's quite a lot to like about Collier, who USC lists at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds -- which, if accurate, gives him outstanding size for a lead guard (for comparison, he measured at 6-3¼ in shoes earlier this year at the Hoop Summit)."

If he hasn't grown since the Hoop Summit, he's 6'2"


Yeah it is more about the height weight combo with him. He could be 6-5 and 185lbs and still play smaller then if he is 6-3 210.

I also don't have any concerns with his ability to break defenses down off the dribble with his speed and power so he should be fine playing the point at the next level.

My main concern with him is shooting, but shooting 33% isn't the end of the world. I mentioned Sexton earlier and that is what he shot in college with good driving and foul drawing numbers.


Sexton shot 78% from the line in college...

Collier's 67% on high volume is really bad.


It isn't great but I wouldn't say it is really bad, I am not really worried about it long term especially since he shoots so many. I expect him to be fine free throw shooter by year 2 as a pro.
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Post#1571 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Mar 6, 2024 8:50 pm

Collier shooting such a low percentage on shots with consistent shot quality (and having taken a very high volume of those shots) is a really bad sign for his ability to shoot. It's not just about how many FTs he makes, it's that low FT% is a signal that you're just bad at shooting.

He was a really bad FT shooter in high school events as well.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1572 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 11:10 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Collier shooting such a low percentage on shots with consistent shot quality (and having taken a very high volume of those shots) is a really bad sign for his ability to shoot. It's not just about how many FTs he makes, it's that low FT% is a signal that you're just bad at shooting.

He was a really bad FT shooter in high school events as well.


He is the best player, leading scorer and leading playmaker on his team. He is the one creating these "high quality shots". It is not like he is just standing around waiting for the perfect shot in a 4th/5th option role.

His overall efg% and Ts% are not worrisome for a guy being tasked with his workload at such a young age.
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Post#1573 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed Mar 6, 2024 11:22 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Collier shooting such a low percentage on shots with consistent shot quality (and having taken a very high volume of those shots) is a really bad sign for his ability to shoot. It's not just about how many FTs he makes, it's that low FT% is a signal that you're just bad at shooting.

He was a really bad FT shooter in high school events as well.


He is the best player, leading scorer and leading playmaker on his team. He is the one creating these "high quality shots". It is not like he is just standing around waiting for the perfect shot in a 4th/5th option role.

His overall efg% and Ts% are not worrisome for a guy being tasked with his workload at such a young age.


I do not think you understand at all what I'm saying.

1. Collier is too small to do anything in the NBA unless he's a really good shooter
2. Collier's FT% is a strong indicator that he is a very bad shooter because FT% is the most accurate projection of shooting talent as shot quality is consistent at all times in free throws (and his volume of free throws is high)

I don't really care that Collier can score in college without a jumpshot when he weighs 20 pounds more than his defender.
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Post#1574 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:29 am

Would the #1 pick hold a lot of value if said team decided to trade it?

I honestly could see teams like San Antonio and Charlotte putting that #1 pick on the market for a established star or potential star.
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Post#1575 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:53 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Would the #1 pick hold a lot of value if said team decided to trade it?

I honestly could see teams like San Antonio and Charlotte putting that #1 pick on the market for a established star or potential star.


Like any pick, it’ll depend on how specific teams feel about specific players. All it takes is one team to think a certain player is MVP level to get a huge offer.
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Post#1576 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:58 am

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JustBuzzin wrote:Would the #1 pick hold a lot of value if said team decided to trade it?

I honestly could see teams like San Antonio and Charlotte putting that #1 pick on the market for a established star or potential star.


Like any pick, it’ll depend on how specific teams feel about specific players. All it takes is one team to think a certain player is MVP level to get a huge offer.

True, but we usually know those players before the draft.

Just like last year there was talk the Pelicans wanted to trade up for Scoot. Crazy looking back at it, but Scoot was seen as a future superstar pg. Hell he may still be that. Im just saying this draft doesn't have that kind of buzz or hype behind the players.

Hell my team is in the running for the #1 pick and I honestly can say im not expecting a star. I wouldn't be mad if we shopped the #1 pick just to get a feel of the type of player or players we could get in return.
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Post#1577 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Mar 7, 2024 5:13 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
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JustBuzzin wrote:Would the #1 pick hold a lot of value if said team decided to trade it?

I honestly could see teams like San Antonio and Charlotte putting that #1 pick on the market for a established star or potential star.


Like any pick, it’ll depend on how specific teams feel about specific players. All it takes is one team to think a certain player is MVP level to get a huge offer.

True, but we usually know those players before the draft.

Just like last year there was talk the Pelicans wanted to trade up for Scoot. Crazy looking back at it, but Scoot was seen as a future superstar pg. Hell he may still be that. Im just saying this draft doesn't have that kind of buzz or hype behind the players.

Hell my team is in the running for the #1 pick and I honestly can say im not expecting a star. I wouldn't be mad if we shopped the #1 pick just to get a feel of the type of player or players we could get in return.


It doesn’t really matter what we think or what the consensus thinks. Only one team has to feel strongly enough about someone in particular. Usually whoever has #1 wants so much in return that it never gets traded.
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Post#1578 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Mar 7, 2024 5:20 am

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Like any pick, it’ll depend on how specific teams feel about specific players. All it takes is one team to think a certain player is MVP level to get a huge offer.

True, but we usually know those players before the draft.

Just like last year there was talk the Pelicans wanted to trade up for Scoot. Crazy looking back at it, but Scoot was seen as a future superstar pg. Hell he may still be that. Im just saying this draft doesn't have that kind of buzz or hype behind the players.

Hell my team is in the running for the #1 pick and I honestly can say im not expecting a star. I wouldn't be mad if we shopped the #1 pick just to get a feel of the type of player or players we could get in return.


It doesn’t really matter what we think or what the consensus thinks. Only one team has to feel strongly enough about someone in particular. Usually whoever has #1 wants so much in return that it never gets traded.

Wiggins for Love was the last time the #1 pick got traded.

Was kind of wild because Wiggins had crazy hype coming out of high school. I guess Lebron wanted a win now player in Kevin Love. They made the correct decision looking back on it. Wiggins never really lived up to the hype.
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Post#1579 » by Colbinii » Thu Mar 7, 2024 5:40 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:True, but we usually know those players before the draft.

Just like last year there was talk the Pelicans wanted to trade up for Scoot. Crazy looking back at it, but Scoot was seen as a future superstar pg. Hell he may still be that. Im just saying this draft doesn't have that kind of buzz or hype behind the players.

Hell my team is in the running for the #1 pick and I honestly can say im not expecting a star. I wouldn't be mad if we shopped the #1 pick just to get a feel of the type of player or players we could get in return.


It doesn’t really matter what we think or what the consensus thinks. Only one team has to feel strongly enough about someone in particular. Usually whoever has #1 wants so much in return that it never gets traded.

Wiggins for Love was the last time the #1 pick got traded.

Was kind of wild because Wiggins had crazy hype coming out of high school. I guess Lebron wanted a win now player in Kevin Love. They made the correct decision looking back on it. Wiggins never really lived up to the hype.


Even if Wiggins lived up to his hype the trade was worth it. The Cavaliers went to 4-straight NBA Finals and likely win 2-3 if Injuries (Kyrie + Love) and/or the GOAT team in NBA History (Warriors w/ KD) don't protrude on those 4 seasons.

So yeah, when you are trading the #1 Pick for 4 straight Finals and a chance to win 3-4 of them, you do it every time, that just never has happened since.

Hell, if Kyrie doesn't get hurt they likely win 2015 and then if KD doesn't join OKC because they haven't won (or if the league does proper cap smoothing 8-) ) then Kyrie stays and it isn't hard to imagine Cleveland trading the #1 pick for 4-straight Championships. Who knows if they win even more if Kyrie/LeBron stay together.
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Post#1580 » by King Ken » Fri Mar 8, 2024 4:51 am

This will be an interesting draft.

I don't believe we will know the lottery till after the combine and workouts because teams will be all over the place with this class.

While I am not a Sarr guy. I believe he will be the one to benefit from this the most if it goes through the process.

Risacher is my #1 prospect and he better pray he ends up in SA or Memphis. He doesn't need to be in a place with high pressure.

This is a PG class but scouts will be all over the place. Workouts will decide everything.

Castle, Collier, and McCain will be big risers. Once projections for 3-4 years come plus the workout results, these guys will shoot up the board. At the end of the day, all three are legit NBA talents. They aren't ready yet but they are all physically impressive and athletically sound. Don't be shocked if all three end up in the top 10.

Sheppard will be someone teams have all over the place after workouts. Some will have him in the top 5, some, top 25. It just takes one team

Topic will be the big faller. Teams will see him like a less athlete, better playmaking Markelle Fultz after the issue and just not want a PG who can't shoot 3s like that. While his at the rim % is high, everyone going under could really be tough for him. While he's high on my board, if the Spurs pass on him in the top 10, I think he maybe the Cam Whitmore of this class and fall into the 20s. PHX will probably be his floor.

Is it me or does Dillingham have a lot of Brandon Jennings in his game? That kid is insanely wicked with a screen and UK don't even set good ones either. I am not sure if I'll take him in the top 5 but he's a top 10 pick for sure. He might be the only top 10 pick at PG that could start next year. Shepp, Castle, Collier, and McCain will all need to be backups for a year. Their projection is long-term. If he's mentally right and wants it BAD, he can be a guy in this league for a long time to come. When he's patient, he's insane. While I think he would be lucky if he could fall to Utah or Chicago.

SG position is fairly weak. Walter has a great prototype but he's far from reaching it right now. Furphy is very interesting and I think he's going to be SG1 when it's all said and done. Knecht and Shannon Jr. are the best SGs are a very good players but they won't get picked till late lottery to the 20s.

Kevin McCullar is a risky pick. He's good but he has flaws and is 23 on draft night. Add the fact that he's 210 which is good but not great, and backup seems to be the peak with him.

SF position is Risacher then not one good player. Just upside and prayers.
Williams has the insane upside but you must bring him in. You need to check his growth plates, see his psyche and body comp, under what drives him and have a tremendous development plan in place. '
Holland, Buzelis, Salaun, and Klintman is all prayers and upside. You could hit but you will likely miss. At least two of these guys will be lottery picks, maybe all 4 and there is a chance all could bust. Buzelis is the most likely one to be good at some point.

The PF position is less promising. Filipowski and Sarr are clearly the likely locks for the top 10. Smith is a hope and a prayer, Oso is a legit NBA player who needs to land somewhere a legit vision for him, and guys like Almansa and Chomche are a Hail Mary.

The C position is very strong. Clingan will be a big raiser, wouldn't be shocked if he's a top 5 pick, then you have a draft range with Edey, Missi, and Ware in the 11-24 range. All are unique. Clingan is a high-end movement kid who got some shot creation, is extremely athletic for his size, a good overall defender who specializes in the drop, but he has injury and stamina concerns.

Missi is a talented prospect who's a couple of years away but could be a top-15 center in 3-4 years. Ware has a unique skill set. He's been compared to Bamba and Jarrett Allen. Edey is an excellent hooper who's ready to help a team with games right now even if it's only as a reserve.

Overall, this is a solid draft class which has been common recently. The prize of this class for me is the seniors. Also, I expect this draft will look a lot different than any of our boards. The workouts, combine, and interviews will mean more in this draft, than any previously and don't be shocked when five guys climb into the lottery that aren't on anyone's radar right now.

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